Small Portable Carbine For HD

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Pulse: Why not store some hearing protection next to the rifle? Handguns can be pretty loud too.

It is too bad that suppressors are so expensive / hard to get, for this exact reason that you don't want to ruin your hearing while you're defending yourself and family.

I would get a Kel-Tec Sub2000 that fit Glock mags if you can get it if you really want a) folding, b) reliability - supposedly these are quite good and c) you already own a Glock and so have a ready supply of these mags around. Problem is they are hard to find - Kel-Tec isn't making any right now and used ones are going for around $500 on gunbroker.com right now.

Otherwise, why not an AR-15 with a telescoping stock? They are relatively compact, portable with a sling and get you into rifle calibers.
 
I have a .40 Sub2K and love it! Its VERY VERY reliable and as accurate as I need (I can hit a 6" metal plate @ 50yards every shot with it!). A buddy of mine has the Hi-point .40 and its just as reliable and accurate also.
 
Pulse: Why not store some hearing protection next to the rifle? Handguns can be pretty loud too.
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ear muffs or plugs are no options in a homedefense scenario.

1. it takes time to 'mount' them, time is one of the things you dont have if i bad guy decides to enter the house.

2. i, personaly, would love to hear what is going on around me, something hardly possible with muffs or plugs in the ear.


It is too bad that suppressors are so expensive / hard to get, for this exact reason that you don't want to ruin your hearing while you're defending yourself and family.
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ruining your hearing is a small price to pay, but the one time i fired a 5.56 NATO rifle in a small hallway without hearing protection, i would not have been able to get a halfway accurate followup.
as a matter of fact, i droped my Rifle and was holding my ears, they where ringing and i was preaty disoriented. (i do have to add that it was a 3 round burst, not a single shot).

suppressors are all nice and good, but having a Carbine length rifle + suppressor makes for a awkwardly long system for house cleaning duty.
if you can get a suppressor and mount that thing on a short rifle with a lets say 25-30cm Rifle, go for it, but otherwise i would use a Pistol.
 
Cant find sub2000

I havfe been looking for a sub2000, but the supply seems to have dried up. All places I have tried say 'out of stock'. Does anyone know why this is?
 
(This is the rumor so take it for what its worth)...

I do not think kel-tec is producing them at the moment and with the rush to buy all things semi auto they sold out. Kel-Tec I am sure will be working on the next batch soon enough and they will be available again for the regular price. I think I will pick up a .40 then or maybe the .45 Hi Point if it ever comes out.
 
Yep, me also! Lets hope that Hi-point takes a cue from ATI and makes their .45 less butt ugly
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They actually are coming out with a new stock design for their carbines and it looks really good better than the ATI stock even. Some lady from Hi Point sent me a picture of some dude with a sweet mullet holding a carbine in the new stock design. Supposedly next year some time.
 
ear muffs or plugs are no options in a homedefense scenario.

1. it takes time to 'mount' them, time is one of the things you dont have if i bad guy decides to enter the house.

2. i, personaly, would love to hear what is going on around me, something hardly possible with muffs or plugs in the ear.
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The muffs by my bed have digital amplification, I can hear better with them than without them, and they cut off at loud noises (obviously). Its only problematic if you are not used to them, the refrigerator turns on and it sounds like a truck just backed into the kitchen...

For the OP, I have a PC4, nice and reliable, but I have to concur I'd grab a handgun first. As far as a rifle caliber, I'd be afraid of over-penetration, I live in a dense neighborhood, so its a handgun with HP's or a shotgun for me.
 
I know you said carbine but if you want true HD, get a shotgun with a 18" barrel. Its the only thing out there and you don't have to be dead on accurate and still hit your target.
 
I know you said carbine but if you want true HD, get a shotgun with a 18" barrel. Its the only thing out there and you don't have to be dead on accurate and still hit your target.
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At indoor ranges that may not be true.
 
At indoor ranges, you have to be dead on. A shotgun doesn't spread that much in 7 yards or less. A fist-size group, maybe a little bigger, tops.

That said, at indoor ranges, you don't need to hit a 6" target at 50 yards. A 6" target at 5 yards is more than sufficient.

Furthermore, if you don't hit a close attacker with the first 5 rounds, the remaining 28 in your 33-round magazine probably won't help you much -- but they'll help him when he wrestles your carbine from you and shoots you with it.

Carbines have their place, but you don't need one to get pistol ballistics at under 10 yards in close quarters...
 
Since HD shotgun was brought up ...

For what it's worth at 7 yards with 00 buck out of my 870 with a 20" smooth bore barrel 2 3/4 Winchester Super X I get a 7" to 10" pattern. Maybe there's something different about my shotgun but I don't see a fist sized bunch at that distance.
 
I'm happy with my HD primary these days, it's expensive but so is my continued happiness and wellbeing and that of my immediate family.

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Precision shots at rapid followup speed out to 75m, footprint of a pistol if needed, extreme rate of fire closein if it comes to that.

Of course it means living with $60 magazines and tax stamps, but it's the price I'll pay.
 
tango2echo,

What folding stock do you have for the mossberg mariner? I'd like to get the mariner eventually myself.

BPL
 
Same stock that fits the Model 500 fit my Mariner. I think it was made by ram tec or butler creek, but I have had it atleast 10 years. For what it's worth my gun patterns about 12" at 10 yards with a cyl bore choke and about 5" at 5 yards with the same choke. #1 and #4 buck open up much more rapidly in that gun than larger pellets. I do not know about the newer Mariners, but I know the two I have owned accepted all model 500 accessories.
I also take the mag extension off and use this gun to shoot wood ducks up close in the swamp with 2.75" #4 steel.
 
Pistol caliber:
Beretta carbine in 9mm or .40
FN PS90

Rifle:
AR M4 pattern. You could keep it as is, or you could SBR it.
Ruger Mini 14 (although in my opinion, it is no fighting rifle).
 
Depending on where you live would determine what you need. I would not want my neighbor guarding his abode with an AK if I lived next to him in a trailer park or an apartment.
 
They actually are coming out with a new stock design for their carbines and it looks really good better than the ATI stock even. Some lady from Hi Point sent me a picture of some dude with a sweet mullet holding a carbine in the new stock design. Supposedly next year some time.
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This the photo? She told me they've dropped the chrome look. Thank God.

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What B.D. Turner said. I've done more apartment living since I've been on my own than anything else. If I'd been using a rifle I'd have serious collateral damage concerns. In some of the places even a pistol was questionable.

As far as a rifle goes, I've decided on the one I can afford to practice with more often than others, that can still do decent damage to unarmored targets, and probably won't penetrate my exterior walls. Right now it's a Marlin 795 loaded with CCI Velocitors and wearing a red dot. Before it was a 70PSS with the same ammo and optic. I can afford to practice all day long with MiniMags even at indoor pistol ranges. Flame away. :)

But I only rely on that if I've had time to retreat to the bedroom and aim at the door during a home invasion. The first thing I'm reaching for is my pistol.

jm
 
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