So I'm bit by the AR bug for hunting.

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As the title says I've got the AR bug for deer hunting. In the last few days I've bought a 6.5 Grendel upper and other parts to make it a complete rifle. Should weigh less than 9lbs scoped. I have ideas for it to be a "fun gun" and plink steel @ 500 yards and then deer hunt with it occasionally. In the AR platform I don't feel .223 is adequate for medium game which is why I didn't choose it.

I also bought a Remington R-15 VTR in 30 AR for a price I couldn't pass up. I'm aware of some downfalls of the cartridge but as a handloader I'm not worried about ammo availability. I can buy loaded ammo for ~$20/box and plan on stocking up. This rifle will also fill the same role as the aforementioned 6.5 Grendel.

Do you guys have experience with either of these 2 rounds for the purposes I've listed and if so any advice or tips would be appreciated thanks.
 
My experience is limited to one 6.5 Grendel rifle I owned in the past, a Sabre Defence PMR. It was very accurate with even wolf gold ammo but really tightened up when I started reloading for it. I shot the wolf for the brass, never used any other brass because it seemed fine. I'm guessing higher quality brass could give improved groups at really long range. Lapua scenar 123 grain projectiles did very well for me, but are more useful for distances over 500 yards or so. For hunting the Hornady SST seems like a good economical choice. The Alexander arms ammo is also top notch if you don't reload.
 
I will be reloading and thanks for the suggestion on the 123gr SST. I'll try some of them and also the 120gr bullets from sierra, nosler, speer, hornady, etc. and just choose the one that shoots best.
 
And in some states, it's below minimum legal caliber for deer.

With "mushrooming" ammunition it would be legal in his State but I don't have any problems with folks that set minimums for themselves and he has two pretty good choices to boot.
 
Yeah .223 is 100% legal in my state however I feel it is inadequate when there are so many better choices. Which is why it's an AR-15 in calibers other than .223. Besides if I wanted to use a .223 I already have a rifle for that.
 
I would buy as much .30 Remington AR ammo and unprimed brass as you can afford. It might not be around much longer. The round has really good ballistics I do not know why it is not more popular.

Just my .02,
LeonCarr
 
I already handload for several calibers so it won't be an issue and I have found online 30 AR w/ a 150gr Core-Lokt for ~$20/box. I will be ordering probably 200 rounds to "stocK" and shoot then I'll have brass to reload with.
 
I just built an AR in 6.5 grendel with the intent of using it for coyotes, javelina, etc. I might use it for deer as well at some point. I'm still working up a load, but I'm planning on using 123gr bullets.
 
123 was the sweet spot for me. If you want to single load your rounds midway has some 140 grain blems for a really good deal. I say single load because you'll have a hard time getting them to an oal less than 2.25 to fit your mags.
 
I'll have field reports and range reports as time goes on. Rifle season opens a few weeks from now so I won't have a real range report until after season. I'll post my impressions, thoughts, review etc. as I get them. Seems several people are interested.
 
I have a 30 Remington AR and like it. Haven't shot it hunting yet, but its obviously much more powerful than my other AR15's. (.300 BLK and 6.8 SPC)

The 6.8 SPC is the go to because ammo is easy and relatively inexpensive and it kills hogs dead without requiring any special parts other than a barrel, bolt and mag.

There aren't a lot of .30 AR rifles out there. It had been discontinued but looks like Remington released some more which is when I got mine earlier this summer.

DPMS sold an upper but not complete rifles. They use a dedicated upper because the barrel extension is AR10 size as well as the bolt head, and in the case of my Remington, it's composite along with the lower.

Unlike the .450 Bushmaster, the bolt load is too high so it's strength had to be increased through larger diameter requiring the larger barrel extension. They also have a special single stack mag that isn't real common either.

But if should have been more popular than it was. 150 gr at 2600 fps real knockdown. (They advertise higher but tests suggest they were a little optimistic!)
 
Mike C2 you are right that the 30 Rem AR rifles aren't very common and the mags aren't easy to come by. Luckily a co-worker has one and has a line on some 4 round mags so I'll get a few of those. I've shot his R-15 30 AR and I liked it he's killed several deer with his. He was impressed with the results.

I don't know if the one I found was new old stock or a recently produced rifle but for the price I paid I can't argue. I mean there are .223 AR-15's being sold everyday for more than I got the 30 AR for :D
 
I want an AR for hunting too.

I'm thinking .277 Wolverine. Google it.
Good ballistics and takes standard 5.56 mags. Lee and Honady both make dies for it. Brass can be formed from .223 brass.
 
I'm very well aware of the .277 Wolverine. I like that round, I've convinced a guy at work to build his next AR in Wolverine. I considered it but it didn't believe it would be favorable for 500 yard target shooting which is one of my considerations.
 
How is the 30 "RAR" out to 500? I admittedly don't know much about it. I see it's based off the 450 BM.

Seems like your Grendel would better suited for that, but I wouldn't shoot anything 4 legged over maybe 300 because of the case capacity.
 
Slow Fuse I can't definitively say how the 30 AR is at 500 yards, but looking at the speed I can launch 150gr bullets at it should do just fine on paper out to 500. I do agree with you though that the 6.5 grendel with 123gr Amax (.510) BC will be the better choice. I also agree that 300 yards will be my personal max range that I will use the two calibers on game. Coincidentally, the max range I can shoot game at the places I hunt is 304 yards.
 
I considered it but it didn't believe it would be favorable for 500 yard target shooting which is one of my considerations.

Yeah, I don't know how it would do at 500.
I'm looking for a deer rifle at 250 yds tops. I'm definitely intrigued by it.
 
I'm just north of Athens and I've done some shooting down south of B'ham. Also I just ran the #'s in my ballistic app and w/ a 150gr hunting bullet at a reachable velocity of 2500 fps it is 3.7 mils and 1.4 mils windage (10mph wind) of elevation to 500 yards. The 6.5 Grendel with a 123gr Amax at a reachable 2500 fps is 3.4 mils and 1.1 mils windage (10 mph wind). so both of them should do well at that range on paper.
 
Weird, I've ran into more Alabama people on this site in the last few days than I have in the last 2 years of me being a member here. Glad to see some Alabama guys in here. WAR EAGLE
 
I may live in Arkansas now, but I was born in Bama. Fairhope to be exact.

My parents moved away to see what god did with the leftovers when he got done with Alabama and for some reason stayed in Arkansas (dad was a preacher so we moved quite a bit).

I was there long enough for it to be in my blood though.

ROLL TIDE!
 
I built 2 AR's for hunting now.

It started back in the '70s when I bought an HK91 and mounted an Aimpoint on it. Good deer rifle, but a bit heavy and long. Tried bolts and levers, but the bang around factor in the field wasn't all that, and not being able to just keep my eyes on the target and shoot again lost deer.

I heard a lot of other manual action shooters having the same problem - follow up shots weren't rapid or accurate. I decided to go back to a self loading action.

Built the first as a 16" in 6.8 - still not convince the 5.56 was all that, despite 22 years shooting it in the Army Reserves. I was convinced the AR was a good answer to a lot of hunting situations - not only the second shot speed and improved accuracy, but also safety. You can drop the mag and retract the BCG, it's empty. Open the bolt on a manual action gun, it's got to be cycled or fooled with to unload, and it presents issues. How many bolt guns are reported "going off" when they are unloaded, or when the operator closes the action cycling "that round?" Too many. Plenty blame the gun, nobody takes responsibility that you are repeatedly jacking rounds thru the chamber to do it. And each of those have to feed, with the resulting dings and dents on the cartridge.

This is where the safety mavens who hate AR's have no clue - it's inherently less risky in use, exactly when it needs to be, unloading to safely cross barriers in the field. You don't ever chamber a round cycling ammo from the AR to clear it. :banghead:

I've mentioned it more than once over the years and all I hear after that is crickets. I don't see people suing over it - unlike, say, the Remington 700? (I own one, too. I'm not sending it back anytime soon.)

With all the positive experience with the HK, and the years of carrying the M16 in the field for training, plus hunting with the bolt and lever action, it really seems to be a no brainer. Yet I understand there are those who don't see the advantages.

The second AR I built was a 10.5" pistol. For deer hunting. Same terrain, where I had used .30-06, .308, .30-30, and 6.8. Others I've hunted with used 8mm Rem Mag, 7.62x54 Russian, 12 ga, or 8mm Mauser. I plotted the deer taken over 40 years and they were all under 80m - the maximum ethical range for 5.56 out of a 10.5" barrel. It still has about 1,000 foot pounds of force at that range.

If I'm targeting deer in woodland and dense cover at less than 80m and hitting them, along with a good representation of other hunters, I had to ask why I was using a gun 2 pounds heavier with the capacity to hit three times further? It results in me having to snake a 40" rifle thru the brush to see a flagging whitetail, rather than target it more quietly with the shorter gun.

MO allows any centerfire cartridge - take one example, the .32 ACP. Really. If you were using it, you would be still hunting or in a blind within the range of where you could ethically use it, and be successful. Even if you had a sharp stick - and there IS a season in MO for that - you'd hunt within your limits.

I've been hunting within my limits for 40 years, I just had a lot more gun than I needed. A 25 1/2" AR pistol actually fits the job more precisely. In 5.56.

You might be scouting bean fields and looking at 250m shots - and a handgun wouldn't be the better choice for that. Same here - seeing and shooting deer that are within iron sight distance doesn't require a sniper rifle with scope. You match the gun and cartridge to the job at hand.

5.56 is more than adequate for the job, it's that those who don't like it - like me in the past - were trying to assign jobs to it that weren't part of what it was meant to do. Conversely, taking large rifles to do a short range job is asking too much, too. I have and over time the lesson has sunk in.
 
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