Vern Humphrey
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As Franklin said, “Those who would give up essential Liberty, to purchase a little temporary Safety, deserve neither Liberty nor Safety”
So whatever happened to the bump stock ban?
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Because to use the agency's jargon, the scuttlebutt is that the draft of the current ruling has gone from "green" (a discussion draft circulated on green paper to identify it) to "pink" (a proposed final draft circulated on pink paper).
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Several news outlets reported this a week or so ago.
https://www.breitbart.com/politics/...ck-ban-citizens-have-90-days-to-turn-them-in/
stonebuster
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As of Oct. 1st 2018 Connecticut ban took effect. Class D felony.
AlexanderA
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If we don't see final action by the end of this week, that could be an indication that it's on hold again. I can easily see them getting cold feet now that the many downsides have been pointed out to them.
Yes, and a "white paper" is a statement of policy with underlying arguments and exposition, but not having operative effect. That could be what this ends up being -- a discussion of the issues, and then a punt back to Congress. After seeing the reaction of the gun community (even the belated reaction of the NRA, as expressed during the comment period), I don't think that even Trump wants to have his name associated with this any more.
If they also have an unregistered AR, then they are doubly screwed.
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/rant
It's all so nonsensical.
You don't need a bumpstock to bumpfire a rifle. You can bumpfire a pistol too. Of course what they really want to do is ban them all while simultaneously screeching the words, "common-sense!" Firearms used orders of magnitude more often to prevent crime? Irrelevant to them. The path to victory in their eyes is a never-ending encroachment on rights. The next step is to propose banning anything that, "increases rate of fire." Of course there is no designated rate of fire for a semi-automatic firearm. So ambiguous terms can essentially give them free reign for arbitrary designations. These people are devoid of logic...and what even worse is their pride in it! They use their ignorance as a shield to insulate them from truth and facts. They are proud of their stupidity to the point of condescension and arrogance.
At some point you have to ask yourself which of the two it is: either they are extremely ignorant and therefore have no business trying to pass any laws or regulating anything...or they know EXACTLY what they are doing. This is an agenda hidden behind the veneer of, "good intentions" playing on fear. The pushes inevitably come when emotions are high as a result of deliberate calculation...because basic logical scrutiny easily destroys their propaganda. These people are insidious and are truly enemies to the American people. And they do it with impunity. And they maintain their positions even after they are proven to be devious, unscrupulous, lying frauds! They would like to turn legal gun owners into felons..and then use their tactic as evidence and further justification to continue their rights-stripping, criminalizing enterprise. "Look how many criminals my new law dealt justice to! Surely we need more of the same. It's for the children afterall!"
They are coming after magazines, stocks, barrels, receivers, cartridges, cartridge components, materials, calibers, muzzle devices, barrel lengths, shrouds, grips, fire control groups, bolt carrier groups, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum.
And they are doing it. One little chip at a time. THEY MUST BE STOPPED.
/endrant
It's all so nonsensical.
You don't need a bumpstock to bumpfire a rifle. You can bumpfire a pistol too. Of course what they really want to do is ban them all while simultaneously screeching the words, "common-sense!" Firearms used orders of magnitude more often to prevent crime? Irrelevant to them. The path to victory in their eyes is a never-ending encroachment on rights. The next step is to propose banning anything that, "increases rate of fire." Of course there is no designated rate of fire for a semi-automatic firearm. So ambiguous terms can essentially give them free reign for arbitrary designations. These people are devoid of logic...and what even worse is their pride in it! They use their ignorance as a shield to insulate them from truth and facts. They are proud of their stupidity to the point of condescension and arrogance.
At some point you have to ask yourself which of the two it is: either they are extremely ignorant and therefore have no business trying to pass any laws or regulating anything...or they know EXACTLY what they are doing. This is an agenda hidden behind the veneer of, "good intentions" playing on fear. The pushes inevitably come when emotions are high as a result of deliberate calculation...because basic logical scrutiny easily destroys their propaganda. These people are insidious and are truly enemies to the American people. And they do it with impunity. And they maintain their positions even after they are proven to be devious, unscrupulous, lying frauds! They would like to turn legal gun owners into felons..and then use their tactic as evidence and further justification to continue their rights-stripping, criminalizing enterprise. "Look how many criminals my new law dealt justice to! Surely we need more of the same. It's for the children afterall!"
They are coming after magazines, stocks, barrels, receivers, cartridges, cartridge components, materials, calibers, muzzle devices, barrel lengths, shrouds, grips, fire control groups, bolt carrier groups, etc. etc. etc. ad infinitum.
And they are doing it. One little chip at a time. THEY MUST BE STOPPED.
/endrant
I read that their goal for this bump stock ban isn't just the bump stocks, it is also a strategy to test and normalize having to "Turn it in" when they ban something (rather than them being "grandfathered").
This is so when they achieve their ban on semi automatic rifles, there would be precedent to making people "turn them in" or face being criminal. Having a grandfather clause for semi autos wouldn't achieve their goal because so many people are already armed.
This is so when they achieve their ban on semi automatic rifles, there would be precedent to making people "turn them in" or face being criminal. Having a grandfather clause for semi autos wouldn't achieve their goal because so many people are already armed.
AlexanderA
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Not only a precedent for "turning them in" without compensation, but also -- more importantly -- a precedent for using an executive fiat (a change in regulations) to make something illegal that had been legal for years.
The biggie that they're after is the AR-15 rifle. Reversing 50+ years of policy, they could plausibly argue that it's "readily convertible" into a machine gun. (The conversion could be done in much less than the 8 hours of machine shop time referenced in an earlier case.)
The Trump administration would not do this, but you can be sure that a later administration would, based on this foundation. And they wouldn't need Congress in order to do so. At that point, only the courts could stand in the way, and even that is a forlorn hope.
stonebuster
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Or any mag with more than 10 rounds. And they call ct the "constitution state"
AlexanderA
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No action yet. This is interesting.
The leak to the media that the ban was imminent may have been nothing more than a "trial balloon" to assess the reaction. Well, they got a loud negative reaction from the gun community (and silence from the antigunners) and now they may be trying to figure how to go forward. Soon we're going to have a new year and a new Congress and everything will be back to square one. And Trump, preoccupied as he is right now, needs all the friends he can get and can't afford to alienate any portion of his base.
Captains1911
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If you think this is about bump stocks, you are completely missing the real issue.
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