Some AR recievers temporarily legal? CA

[odysseus]

I don't get what this changes. Won't it become an 'assault weapon' like any other AR as soon as they close the loophole and won't they make you register it?

They will then be able to register it and legaly own it due to a mandatory 90 day reg period when their model makes the list. Or so they say.

 

[Justang]

I don't get what this changes. Won't it become an 'assault weapon' like any other AR as soon as they close the loophole and won't they make you register it?

Krazy California.

This means that the DOJ cannot just lay a blanket statement that all "series" of rifles are AW's because the lay person may not understand "minor" difference. It also states a judge, nor jury, nor trial can decide what an AW is. The exact make and model of gun must be listed for it to be legal. Now this doesn't stop the DOJ from listing something like "Rock River Arms - All." But atleast they've listed it. So if you can find an AR lower that is not on the list you can buy it.

By law, you have been able to purchase these lowers since the Harrott ruling in 2001 in California. The public just never caught wind of it. Now that it's come to light, people have consulted lawyers and written letters to the DOJ. Turns out it's legal to purchase and own "off list" AR and AK recievers.

It gets tricky because the law that states we cannot have a pistol grip on a detachable magazine rifle. So we buy the stripped lowers, attach a "fixed magazine kit" and then assemble our own lowers. Then you have a fixed magazine with a pistol grip which is legal.

Yes you will have to register it. By law they have to give you a 90 window to register. So there is no "or they say." I think it's better to have the gun and have it registered then to not have the gun at all. And no way in hell would I have one unregistered. You're just asking for trouble if you do that.

If we have to register our lowers then they will be AW's and we can remove the fixed magazine kit to make it a removeable magazine gun again. Simply because there are no levels of AW. Basically, it lets us put all the evil features on the gun we want. But you shouldn't buy the gun with that in mind. But it with the mind set that you are going to conform to all existing laws. If things change, so be it.

Stay within the law. Especially in California.

This is a short glimmer of freedom we have here.

Please don't mock our state. We all know where we live, and we all have reasons for being here. Saying things like "move to another state" is just lame. I won't move to another state simply for firearms. This state is very beautiful. We just need some of those damn liberals out of office!

 

[Black Majik]

Please don't mock our state. We all know where we live, and we all have reasons for being here. Saying things like "move to another state" is just lame. I won't move to another state simply for firearms. This state is very beautiful. We just need some of those damn liberals out of office!

Gonna give a big +1 to this statement.

 

[TexasRifleman]

Gonna give a big +1 to this statement.

So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

Because firearms are just one of the many things that California laws do at the cost of personal freedom.

I won't mock, more like feel pity.

 

[MarshallDodge]

Don't mean to derail but I can feel the Californians pain. I lived in Illinois for 20 years. No CCW, no Full-Auto, must have an FOID card(like a permit), 72/24 hour waiting period on handguns/rifles.
I moved to Colorado for a new job and I was shocked when I purchased my first gun there. 15 minutes for the background check and I was out the door. I have not found one anti-gun person in Utah in the four months I have lived here.

If you stay and take a stand you may be able to reverse some of the gun laws.

 

[Black Majik]

So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

Because firearms are just one of the many things that California laws do at the cost of personal freedom.

I won't mock, more like feel pity.

Well, everything I know is here. Things that are MORE important to me than firearms. My family, my friends... my life. Yeah I live in California, but its hard to complain except the stupid politics and limited gun rights. I have LA 45 minutes away, San Diego an hour away, access to 4 beaches each 15 minutes away, and if I wanna experience cowtipping I go inland a little more.

Can't forget about the California women... Mmm...mmm..mm......

Anyways! Back on topic....

If you stay and take a stand you may be able to reverse some of the gun laws.

I am gonna stay, and we are taking a stand. I doubt we'll reverse any of the gunlaws, but we are sticking up for ourselves. I think this is situation we have here is quite a big step in proving the Cali gunlaws are retarded, and we're doing this legally. We will come through. Not all of us can leave CA to seek other places to live, are lives are here. And I'm gonna stay here and fight back for whatever is left of our gun rights as long as I breathe.....

 

[UberPhLuBB]

You forgot about:

Amusement parks
Snow covered mountains
Dry (or snowy) deserts
Heavy forrests of pine and redwood trees
Huge city amenities (like property value and commerce)
Small towns at the fringe of the valley
Never too hot, 90 deg extreme, usually 80-85 in the summer
Never too cold, 40 deg extreme, usually 50-60 in the winter
NEVER muggy

In addition to the multiple beaches, farmland, museums and attractions of all kinds, views of the mountains from the valley and views of the valley from the mountains.

And every bit of it no more than an hour away. Point out another part of the country where all of this is available with an hour drive and I'll gladly move there! I'll be gone before you click "Submit Reply!"

Honestly, if we had other options, wouldn't we exercise them? I'm sorry if it's an alien concept to put all of that, in addition to the majority of my family and friends before gun rights. I've considered very seriously moving to Oregon, I have family and friends there. I've gotten very close to leaving on a couple of occations, but I always remember what I have in California and stay. If something big passes which prohibits my owning a handgun, or ANY gun, I will move. But just for certain kinds of rifles, no way.

 

[thorazine]

Can't forget about the California women...

Mmm...mmm..mm......

Yup (eight years of experiance)!

They can be sexy as hell!

But little (if anything) consists underneath! (dummies!)

The state income tax kinda sucks too.

 

[Byron Quick]

The only thing mentioned in defense of staying in California that resonates with me is friends and family. That might make me stay if I was in that trap. But I wouldn't be trying to rationalize it. I'd admit it...I'm in a trap.

The scenery, the wonderful weather, the wonderful weather, commerce, and etc. in no way outweighs my personal freedom.

Oh, it's not just guns either. California law and state policy has many items that would preclude my living there if I owned not one single firearm and had no plans of ever touching a firearm in my remaining lifespan.

I have little respect or love for any government known to history. A good government is simply the best of a bad lot.

In my view, the idea that California is the trendsetter for the nation is not a point to be bragged on. Rather it is an item of serious concern for the future of the nation.

 

[No_Brakes23]

So you will trade some pretty scenery and nice weather for personal freedoms?

That's sounds awful funny coming from a resident of a state that doesn't allow open carry. How come you don't move to a truly free state? And Texas has other issues with freedom.

Matter of fact, what the hell are you even doing in a Cali based thread?

I want to move to a freer place, but some of the places that have the most firearms freedom are just horrible. I am not dealing wih 33% unemployment, trailer trash and meth epidemics just for an EBR. Obviously not all places are like that, (Just the last place I lived,) but no place is perfect. (If it was, leftists would move there and ruin it within 20 years.)

In my view, the idea that California is the trendsetter for the nation is not a point to be bragged on. Rather it is an item of serious concern for the future of the nation.

We both agree on that one. One of my worst fears about an eventual move out of Cali is that the effed up laws and overpopulation and sky high economy will follow me.

 

[Gordon Fink]

Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink

 

[Black Majik]

Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink

Well... its not a loophole, since we're complying with the law. But as I remember the Harrott decision only affects the AR and AK series.

Therefore, no luck with the other cool semi autos such as the HK91, AUG, SIG55x etc....

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/forumdisplay.php?f=81

All the info to your hearts content.

 

[No_Brakes23]

Back on topic, does this “loophole” cover anything other than AR-style receivers?

~G. Fink

The problem with other receivers is that if you can't easily make it accept stripper clips, what are you going to do with it. An AR can be broken down "shotgun-style" to load, but what of an AK? I suppose a Saiga style AK could make it in, but that is real questionable.

 

[Justang]

Where else can you snowboard in the morning and surf in the afternoon? Only in California.

Don't pitty us. Help us. Remember, we are all one country here. You see that we have limited freedoms. You should find this outrageous and want to help your fellow American. Poking fun isn't helping either.

To prove that California is the best place to live in the US, I just read in the OC Journal that California is number 1 for most expensive houses. The OC is the 3rd most expensive place to live in the US (Behind NYC and SF bay area), and that includes Hawaii too!

 

[No_Brakes23]

To prove that California is the best place to live in the US, I just read in the OC Journal that California is number 1 for most expensive houses. The OC is the 3rd most expensive place to live in the US (Behind NYC and SF bay area), and that includes Hawaii too!

That's the problem, everyone wants to live in a few places; and that everyone includes misguided fearmongering politicians who can't stand the thought of private citizens with any sort of self-determination. It also includes the lazy sheeple who empower said politicians.

 

[Number 6]

I usually try not to complain about living in California on message boards because it gets repetitive and is not productive. The reality is that my family, my girlfriend, my church, and my school are all in California. Telling those of us to move is ridiculous and is not helpful. I can demean any part of the country for its bad qualities, and glorify it for its good. The reality is that our home is where we make it, and telling us to leave is not helpful. There are many places in this country that I would never want to live, but I do not go around telling those that do live there to move. Its a relative point, and lets leave it at that and move forward. What's important is that a whole lot of us got some AR receivers.

 

[Spreadfire Arms]

ive been shipping Stag and Ameetec lowers to CA. of course i have a huge waitlist though!

 

[trueblue1776]

I remember seeing a pinned DPMS in a cali gunshop in like 2000 or 2001, I don't think this is anything new. Most gun mnfr's at some point or another have offered Cali legal versions. I'm not sure that all this hype is deserved. You can accurize a mini-14 and have something that comes close to AR type accuracy and still have detachable mags. Further, you can still buy most SKS models (sans grenade launcher).

For me it wasn't what they banned, it was the ignorant attitude, I think they had a commitee sit down and watch Steven Segal movies for a week and write down every gun that made their ass#0!@ quiver then they banned everything on their list. The BMG ban was the last straw for me. Guess they haven't heard of .408 Chey-Tac yet...

 

[Gordon Fink]

Thanks for the information, Black Majik and No_Brakes. However, I would say this is a legal “loophole,” as I’m sure the present situation is not what the prohibitionists intended. Taking advantage of it still means complying with the “law,” as you said.

~G. Fink

 

[trueblue1776]

hmmm,Einstein came up with an equation for pinned mags:

Pinned mag + $1000 battle rifle = NO BALLS

Save 800 bucks and get an SKS. Better yet, I sell anyone in california a spraypainted SKS for $500 bucks.

It's a novelty to have an AR in Cali, I get it.

this "loophole" is nothing new, they have won, you aren't tricking anyone or pullung a fast one. There is no way in hell that any criminal dangerous enough to rob a North Hollywood bank would be stupid enough to use a pinned 10 round mag on his gun. Therefore the only people who are endangered by that gun are your kids, when you spend their grocery money on that abomination.



BTW there is cali legal FAL's too

 

[UberPhLuBB]

hmmm,Einstein came up with an equation for pinned mags:

Pinned mag + $1000 battle rifle = NO BALLS

Save 800 bucks and get an SKS. Better yet, I sell anyone in california a spraypainted SKS for $500 bucks.

It's a novelty to have an AR in Cali, I get it.

this "loophole" is nothing new, they have won, you aren't tricking anyone or pullung a fast one. There is no way in hell that any criminal dangerous enough to rob a North Hollywood bank would be stupid enough to use a pinned 10 round mag on his gun. Therefore the only people who are endangered by that gun are your kids, when you spend their grocery money on that abomination.



BTW there is cali legal FAL's too

You missed the point of the thread. Go on ahead and re-read it.

We don't want fixed-mag AR's.

 

[Justang]

You missed the point of the thread. Go on ahead and re-read it.

We don't want fixed-mag AR's.

Well he is from Alabama, it's supprising he can even read. I wouldn't expect him to have reading comprehension. I'm sure the 3 links I provided were beyond his 3rd grade education. Otherwise he would have known that the loophole is new.

Now that's not very "High Road" of me, but neither is bashing on California/Californians in these sorts of ways. I'm tired of it.





****Disclaimer: I really don't mean those things, but it's my way of showing how stupid it is to bash one state. Every state has it's stereotypes. Please don't bash my state. Re-read my post above concerning this comment.****

 

[Black Majik]

Lets try not to get this thread locked. It is good information for fellow Californians that are late (REALLY LATE) in the game to get an unilsted lower.

Hmm... so how many people have gotten their lowers?

 

[30Cal]

I'm DROS'ing mine tomorrow. I want an AR for NRA Highpower. Even if the mag stays pinned forever, it will suit that purpose just fine (and when I shoot out of state, I can pull the pin rather than beg/borrow/steal someone else's lower receiver).

Ty

 

[Justang]

Although speculative, there is a very good point to this thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=26519