Some primers flip better than others?

[refuse2bafool]

With CCI Large Pistol so hard to get I tried a box of Federal. They worked fine.
But what I noticed is that they flipped over so much better thgan the CCI at least in the "new" LEE foldable Flip Trays. (Yeah, yeah. Didn't like them at first either, but now that I have gotten used to them... so please save it)

With CCI I always had to use tweezers to get the last couple turn over the right way.

It may be a silly reason to buy that brand, but anything that makes my life easier is good buy me.

Anyone else notice this?

 

[rperyam]

I shake them until all are flat in the tray. I then pick up all that are anvil up. I then put the lid back on and flip it. When I open the lid, all are anvil up and I finish filling the tube. What tray are you using? Mine is a metal one from Dillon.

 

[refuse2bafool]

As I said, the LEE foldable trays. If you are not familiar with them the flip tray is inserted directly into what ever LEE primer feed system you are using, depending on the press. No tube is needed and LEE products do not use primer tubes. Demonstration videos is here.

Lee Precision, Inc.. Priming Tool Help Videos

Priming Tool Help Videos

leeprecision.com

Your way is clever though.

Thanks

 

[tightgroup tiger]

Some primers go through the DAA Prime-all and work well and some don't also. The last primers I bought were Winchesters and they won't run through my primer tube filler.
So I'm back to pecking primers with a pick up tube again.

 

[lordpaxman]

With CCI I always had to use tweezers to get the last couple turn over the right way.

I have not had that issue with CCI, or Fed or REM. I have the bench primer, not sure if the trays are the same or not but if one doesn’t flip it might be riding a ridge and I just make sure I shake gently and in the direction that that pesky one crosses a ridge at a right angle. If that makes sense?

The last primers I bought were Winchesters and they won't run through my primer tube filler.

I mainly run CCI and I have the FA buzz filler and was so pleased they behave, then I ran some Win. For some reason every tenth one would want to flip as it entered the drop hole. I found resting the filler tube lightly on the bench and not having a death grip, and keeping the tray as level as possible helped, but would have to watch closely and if one started to flip I’d need to jerk the tray in the opposite direction. It was still faster than pecking.

 

[tightgroup tiger]

I mainly run CCI and I have the FA buzz filler and was so pleased they behave, then I ran some Win. For some reason every tenth one would want to flip as it entered the drop hole. I found resting the filler tube lightly on the bench and not having a death grip, and keeping the tray as level as possible helped, but would have to watch closely and if one started to flip I’d need to jerk the tray in the opposite direction. It was still faster than pecking.

Fiocchi primers will run right through it, but I don't have access to them without paying hazmat and I can buy the Winchester primers at my gun ranges for less than internet prices and don't have to pay hazmat.
That's the only reason I'm still using them. I'm still using the old round primer trays from Lee to flip them over.
Winchester primers don't flip as easily as some other brands.
I guess I will put up with the Winchester primers until I can get back to using Fiocchi primers for a reasonable price. That may be a while. I had to order new pick up tubes from McJ.
Next time I'm feeling rich I may buy a different brand of tube filler, I'm really disappointed with DAA's. They won't answer the phone either, when you have a problem.

Op, I do know that Winchesters don't flip as well as Fiocchi's, I never paid attention to the other brands.

 

[refuse2bafool]

Op, I do know that Winchesters don't flip as well as Fiocchi's, I never paid attention to the other brands.

Thanks. Not that it is something to lose sleep over, but reloading is usually such an individual experience that it's easy to ask "Is it just me?"

 

[9mmepiphany]

It may be a silly reason to buy that brand, but anything that makes my life easier is good buy me.

Anyone else notice this?

Can't say I've really noticed a marked difference between how easy they are to flip over, but if the prices were the same I'd choose Federal over CCI everytime. The only LPP I cureently have on hand are Federal and I"m down to my last 10k. The only advantage of CCI over Federal is the space it takes to store 5k

I usually load SPP and I've just recently standardized on Genix over CCI because they are more affordable, available, and reliable in ignition...I save my Federal for my tuned competition revolvers

 

[refuse2bafool]

Can't say I've really noticed a marked difference between how easy they are to flip over, but if the prices were the same I'd choose Federal over CCI everytime. The only LPP I cureently have on hand are Federal and I"m down to my last 10k. The only advantage of CCI over Federal is the space it takes to store 5k

I usually load SPP and I've just recently standardized on Genix over CCI because they are more affordable, available, and reliable in ignition...I save my Federal for my tuned competition revolvers

This may or not be true. But I have been told the greater bulk of the packaging is due to the fact Federl primers are more sensitive.

If LiveLife is watching he probably knows

 

[LiveLife]

I have been told the greater bulk of the packaging is due to the fact Federl primers are more sensitive.

If LiveLife is watching he probably knows

That's what I read over the years as well.

 

[refuse2bafool]

That's what I read over the years as well.

I KNEW it!

 

[9mmepiphany]

But I have been told the greater bulk of the packaging is due to the fact Federl primers are more sensitive.

I believe Federal uses a different chemical compound in it's primers which make it more sensitive...as opposed to softer cups

IIRC They went to their current packaging following a incident at one of their factories.

I think I've mentioned before that in the space it takes to store 12k Federal SPP ( 4 stacks of 3 bricks) I can easily store 25k Genix SPP (5 cardboard boxes if 5K)

 

[lightman]

I've never noticed any problems with any of them. I use mostly CCI with RP Benchrest and Federal Match running a close 2nd or 3rd and then Winchester. I use the square RCBS plastic tray. I also have the round tray. I bought the square one for the Federal.

 

[refuse2bafool]

I believe Federal uses a different chemical compound in it's primers which make it more sensitive...as opposed to softer cups

IIRC They went to their current packaging following a incident at one of their factories.

I think I've mentioned before that in the space it takes to store 12k Federal SPP ( 4 stacks of 3 bricks) I can easily store 25k Genix SPP (5 cardboard boxes if 5K)

That's what Richard Lee alluded to in Modern Reloading.

And yes. I know there are all kinds of stuff floating around about the "real" reason he recommended Federal not be used in earlier products that had tray feeders. But please. Let's not go there

 

[9mmepiphany]

That's what Richard Lee alluded to in Modern Reloading.

And yes. I know there are all kinds of stuff floating around about the "real" reason he recommended Federal not be used in earlier products that had tray feeders. But please. Let's not go there

When you throw out terms like "alluded to" and "floating around...real reasons", you can't seriously expect that to just "sit in the open" without being addressed.

Richard Lee later stated that the reason he did not recommend Federal primer be used in his equipment was because Federal declined to provide him with any for testing. This isn't just "floating around", it is what he admitted to...unless you think that he is lying about it

 

[dobedo]

I load all my rounds one at a time in my press and they always seat. In 40 + years have never had a blead by or a cracked primer. I have had a couple that did not go bang.

 

[refuse2bafool]

When you throw out terms like "alluded to" and "floating around...real reasons", you can't seriously expect that to just "sit in the open" without being addressed.

Richard Lee later stated that the reason he did not recommend Federal primer be used in his equipment was because Federal declined to provide him with any for testing. This isn't just "floating around", it is what he admitted to...unless you think that he is lying about it

Not the first time I've been called out over a joke that went flat, but I'll live And down the rabbit hole we go...

I have only ever seen that version in THR posts. I have never seen it sourced. On the other hand, I have a book sitting right in front of me...

"It's simply too dangerous to use Federal primers in the Lee tray fed priming tools" Modern Reloading, 1st Edition, page 38​

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" ...the only safe primers to use in Lee Tray primer feeders are CCI or Winchester brand." Modern Reloading, 1st Edition, page 67​

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Call me naieve, but I took Mr. Lee at his written word and followed his advice.

 

[9mmepiphany]

Call me naieve, but I took Mr. Lee at his written word and followed his advice.

Third bullet point down

 

[GW Staar]

You are both right.......it all depends on the time frame. Early Lee priming systems could blow up federals.....federal eventually adjusted a little. Yes federal did not supply Richard with free samples as the other brands did. Made Richard mad and said negative things, Federal got mad and ignored him even more. Federals eventually, quietly, made them a little less sensitive. Some reloaders were even mad about that.....but most of us couldn't tell the difference. Lee users could.....they quit lighting up in Lee trays. So then Lee eventually added "Usable with any brand of primers" ...... and the rift went away...... probably helped that a new generation took over at Lee, too.......and Federal was bought by a conglomerate.

For what it's worth.....I never blew up any primer yet, and I've used Federal as much as CCI. Even a little Remington. But I have yet to try any of the "other" brands. I reduced my hearing in other ways.....like shooting .357mag when I was a kid without hearing protection.

Funny about the title of this thread tho.......guess I'm not that observant about flipping primers.....never noticed any variance. I got 'em flipped is all I remember using the Pro 6000's folded primer tray. But then I've mostly flipped primers on RCBS trays or APS strip loaders......this Lee equipment is on the new side.

 

[9mmepiphany]

I've mostly flipped primers on RCBS trays or APS strip loaders......this Lee equipment is on the new side.

I learned to flip primers on a Hornady tray and then on a Vibra-prime one. I even got to try the DAA motorized tray a few times. The Lee folding tray does take a different awareness to not spill primers at the hinge (or getting them caught)

Until the current shortages, I exclusively used CCI and Federal primers. I could get all the Federals in the correct orientation faster because more started that way (coming out of the tray edgewise). Now that I've switched from CCI to Genix, I'm not seeing much of a difference

 

[refuse2bafool]

You are both right.......it all depends on the time frame. Early Lee priming systems could blow up federals.....federal eventually adjusted a little. Yes federal did not supply Richard with free samples as the other brands did. Made Richard mad and said negative things, Federal got mad and ignored him even more. Federals eventually, quietly, made them a little less sensitive. Some reloaders were even mad about that.....but most of us couldn't tell the difference. Lee users could.....they quit lighting up in Lee trays. So then Lee eventually added "Usable with any brand of primers" ...... and the rift went away...... probably helped that a new generation took over at Lee, too.......and Federal was bought by a conglomerate.

For what it's worth.....I never blew up any primer yet, and I've used Federal as much as CCI. Even a little Remington. But I have yet to try any of the "other" brands. I reduced my hearing in other ways.....like shooting .357mag when I was a kid without hearing protection.

Funny about the title of this thread tho.......guess I'm not that observant about flipping primers.....never noticed any variance. I got 'em flipped is all I remember using the Pro 6000's folded primer tray. But then I've mostly flipped primers on RCBS trays or APS strip loaders......this Lee equipment is on the new side.

Yes. I am well aware that was with his older priming tools. I never maintained otherwise. The autobench prime 9mm references (and from I can see all the newer tools) removes the primer from proximity to the tray in such a way that if it explodes it would not detonate those still in the tray. That is irrelevant to why he wrote what he wrote, and continued to maintain in the 2nd Edition.

9mm asked if I thought Lee was lying. I don't know, but if your version is correct (again, source?), there is a definite conflict with what he said in the books. There are other possibilites for this discrepancy. That old men's memories tend to change over time is one.

It makes little business sense to me that Federal would refuse to provide primers to a major manufacturer of equipment that used their product, especially when they were probably a penny a pop.

As far as the whole issue, I'm with the stoics...

"We have the power to hold no opinion about a thing and not to let it upset our state of mind-for things have no natural power to shape our judgements" Source: Marcus Aurelius, Meditations, 6.62​

I recognize that "having no opinion" on the high road is worse than eating puppies for lunch and kittens for dinner, but that was my first point and final thought on the issue