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Why do so many gun sites say that can't ship a black powder pistol to Illinois.

I read the IL law on BP guns, and all it says is that you need a foid just like any other gun.
 
I'm not sure if your asking if you don't know what a foid is or if your asking it's because of foid..

You need a special ID to buy firearms in the state of Illinois and many places will NOT Ship you a firearm unless you fax or email them a copy of said foid.


Thing is, while many of these sites WILL sell you a firearm provided you give them a copy of your Foid, they WILL NOT sell you a black powder pistol, foid or no foid.


Thing is, there is no IL law that says one can't own a black powder gun, and they are for sale here at many places.

So I don't get why these online retailers will sell you a pistol or rifle with a smile as long as you send a copy of your foid, but won't on black powder pistols. Michigan is another state listed on sites, and they have lax gun laws (can open carry) versus IL.
 
I only know of a FOID because of a bunch of college buddies from around Rend Lake...and yes its very odd. The FOID in and of itself is not technically gun registration as it is registration of gun owners...Big difference but little difference in effect. The refusal to ship is likely based on something more political in nature than simply a misunderstanding of the law, it may be the customer taking one on the chin for other issues that are unspoken. Pretty poor business move either way, a misunderstanding can be explained and made right, but a point is not made without actually making the point....or something to that effect... I would make a phone call to a few retailers asking what the issue I'd with shipping. Likely you will get a person who doesn't know or will recite a canned answer, but you may hit a home run and get the answer to the question of why.
 
These are not just "ma and pa" gun shops, I'm talking about cheaper than dirt and a few others.

Not even the manufacturer wanted to ship it to IL. This is from their web page.

WARNING: Black powder firearms cannot be shipped to New Jersey, New York City, Illinois, Michigan, or Canada. For all other states, please review your state and local laws before ordering.


I don't get either IL or MI?
 
thirty-ought-six said:
These are not just "ma and pa" gun shops, I'm talking about cheaper than dirt and a few others.

Not even the manufacturer wanted to ship it to IL. This is from their web page.

WARNING: Black powder firearms cannot be shipped to New Jersey, New York City, Illinois, Michigan, or Canada. For all other states, please review your state and local laws before ordering.


I don't get either IL or MI?
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Then keep calling them until you get the right person. There is something to it that's not obvious. Several posts here haven't suggested a reason. Go at it the old fashioned way, spoken word. Your more apt to get a straight answer without a paper trail anyways. Call, ask, hang up still wondering, repeat until you hang up satisfied.
 
My guess is they don't want to be bothered with FUDD cards and deciding whether or not they are breaking the law when the automated order machine prints out the orders in the warehouse.

Better business to avoid those states, instead of hiring six more people to process FOID state orders manually.

Rc
 
Maybe its the patchwork of local laws? I can see why an abundance of caution might be required, its not really reasonable to expect a retailer to know not only the laws of your state but also your county and city.
 
thirty-ought-six said:
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You need a special ID to buy firearms in the state of Illinois and many places will NOT Ship you a firearm unless you fax or email them a copy of said foid.


Thing is, while many of these sites WILL sell you a firearm provided you give them a copy of your Foid, they WILL NOT sell you a black powder pistol, foid or no foid.


Thing is, there is no IL law that says one can't own a black powder gun, and they are for sale here at many places.

So I don't get why these online retailers will sell you a pistol or rifle with a smile as long as you send a copy of your foid, but won't on black powder pistols. Michigan is another state listed on sites, and they have lax gun laws (can open carry) versus IL.
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I am unable to understand all you are saying. Are you strictly talking about in-state sales? No one will sell and ship you a firearm from out-of-state unless you have a Federal Firearm License. I need my FOID Card and Driver's License to purchase ammunition shipped both in-and-out of state. I need my 03FFL, along with my FOID Card and Driver's License to purchase C&R eligible firearms and have them shipped directly to me. No online retailer from outside Illinois who has sold me a handgun, a rifle, or a shotgun with a smile has ever asked for my FOID Card - they only want a signed copy of my local transferring dealer's 01FFL.
 
il.bill said:
I am unable to understand all you are saying. Are you strictly talking about in-state sales? No one will sell and ship you a firearm from out-of-state unless you have a Federal Firearm License. I need my FOID Card and Driver's License to purchase ammunition shipped both in-and-out of state. I need my 03FFL, along with my FOID Card and Driver's License to purchase C&R eligible firearms and have them shipped directly to me. No online retailer from outside Illinois who has sold me a handgun, a rifle, or a shotgun with a smile has ever asked for my FOID Card - they only want a signed copy of my local transferring dealer's 01FFL.
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They are saying cannot be shipped- at all. Not even to your local FFL.
 
A black powder gun isn't federally considered a firearm anyway. Michigan also has this shipping to your door restriction, because the state of Michigan does (or did) consider black powder to be firearms, to an extent. They can be purchased or transferred in state without a 4473 from a dealer, or via private sales without a pistol purchase permit or RI-060.

But, they still prefer handguns to be registered, although it's not required. It's a fuzzy grey area, and the primary reason I never got into C&B revolvers. Cabela's will be hapy to sell it to you, over the counter at their stores, but won't mail it to your doorstep.
 
I am sure a big operation like CTD has done their homework and have just made the decision that their is not enough demand in IL to justify the trouble of verifying your cards. We have seen with in the past that CTD probably puts profit above everything else. IMHO the problem lies more with the elected officials and laws in IL than with the stores
 
Odds are, just a company policy. More bother than it's worth at the profit margin they work at.
 
Fishbed77 said:
Wow. That's just flagrantly unconstitutional.
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New Jersey started with the Firearm ID Card scheme in 1966. Illinois followed with theirs in 1968 and Massachusetts in 1969. Maryland just recently adopted a type firearms card scheme called a "Handgun Qualification Card".

As bad as the idea for FOID is for Illinois , the process to obtain an Firearms ID card in New Jersey is much worse than Illinois. In NJ the process involves fingerprinting, character references (including from your employer in some towns), high fees and very long waits of weeks or months to wait for 'approval'.
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thirty-ought-six said:
Why do so many gun sites say that can't ship a black powder pistol to Illinois.

I read the IL law on BP guns, and all it says is that you need a foid just like any other gun.
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It's not worth the trouble to them ... sucks but you really can't blame them
 
Lots of businesses don't want to ship to IL.
I was waiting to pick something up at AIM surplus and I overheard one of the telephone conversations between a customer service rep and an angry IL customer, she let him know that its company policy not to ship to Illinois - or cook county? one or the other.

Anyway, I understand why businesses don't want to deal with shipping things to states outside the United States.
 
Thermactor said:
Lots of businesses don't want to ship to IL.
I was waiting to pick something up at AIM surplus and I overheard one of the telephone conversations between a customer service rep and an angry IL customer, she let him know that its company policy not to ship to Illinois - or cook county? one or the other.

Anyway, I understand why businesses don't want to deal with shipping things to states outside the United States.
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musta been crook county either that or my wife got hold of somebody at AIM and had them cut the whole state off ...
 
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