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Splash and Grab

Date created: 2/22/2007 11:50:49 AM
Last updated: 2/22/2007 11:53:50 AM

Customers at the Wawa Market in Magnolia, New Jersey have a message for the thugs that are caring out a series of horrifying attacks at convenience stores all over the tri=state area.

"If you want money, go and work for it. There are enough jobs out here."

"It's a horrible person. I mean, there has got to be a better way to find money then to take a chance to hurt someone by coming out to a Wawa's and hurting someone with hot coffee or something."

The crimes are being called "splash and grab." Take a look at how the crime plays out at a Wawa's in south Philadelphia. The crooks take hot coffee or hot chocolate to the counter. They have no intention of paying for it. Instead, its tossed in the face of an un expecting cashier and in some cases police say the victims have been permanently disfigured.

"We can't tell if it's the same crew or a copy cat so until we review the surveillance tapes."

Police say the woman will be OK. Investigators in Philadelphia say in all of their cases they have more than one man approach the stores' clerks. But here in Magnolia police think their robbery worked the store inside alone.

"So a lone man, walked into the store. Grabbed a cup of hot chocolate. Walked over to the cash register and threw it on her."

In most cases the crooks total take is fairly low. Maybe 200 bucks according to police. A small prize to walk away with the crooks can scare even blind their victims.

Dawn Timmeney, WCAU-TV, Philadelphia, PA
 
Hot drinks are dangerous. I'm shocked that they are so readily available. Very hot drinks are assault drinks and need strict control. It's especially shocking that illegal coffee is making its way into Philadelphia and other cities. No wonder crime is rampant. Enlightened mayors need to join the Mayor of New York City to lobby the government for a ban on coffee and other hot drinks.

Will the horrors never stop.
 
Especially troubling are those drinks in high capacity cups. Who really needs 24 oz. of hot coffee, anyway? Also, what about the dangers of those Saturday Night Special cups of 6 oz that are easily hidden in the hand. These drinks have no purpose but to make people hot!

If we really want to put a stop to hot beverage assaults we have to get it out of the homes where young children can see it being made and grow up thinking hot beverages are normal.

People that drink ultra hot coffee and cocoa need to get life and take up bowling or something. Coffee should be limited to use by those specially trained to stay awake for us such as our elected officials, uh...well...at least our firefighters!
 
imagine a world without hot beverages!

when will those evil hot beverages folks think about the children?


Anyway, on a serious note, if they stick that coffee in a microwave they can heat it up past boiling and it would still be liquid not gas (thats why mcdonalds deserved to lose that lawsuit) and could be very dangerous.
lots of sugar would make it sticky too...napalm coffee!

It might be a good tool for those in a store thats being robbed, nuke that up for 5 minutes and your gonna stop someone.
 
Sherrif Joe knew what to do - coffee is banned in Maricopa County lock ups, and for that reason - hot liquids in the face can cause permanant damage.
 
Cosmoline, Wawa is a chain of convenience stores/gas stations similar to 7-11 located in PA and NJ. Yes, it's a silly name.

Maybe the cashiers should sue since the coffee is too hot. :rolleyes:
 
Anyway, on a serious note, if they stick that coffee in a microwave they can heat it up past boiling and it would still be liquid not gas
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I would like for you to explain to me how water can reach >100C and not boil at 1 Atm.

Don't even bother with the socialist theory of punishing the innocent and rewarding the guilty.

Thank you,
Anthony
 
Coffee is a solution. When Water and a Solute (the powder) are mixed together the boiling point can actually rise up. Depending on how much solute is in the mixture it can greatly raise the boiling point and lower the freezing point of the solution.

Therefore coffee hotter than 100 degrees Celsius is very possible.

Now. . . Ban the evil machines and make the price of a cup of coffee raise 10,000$ because you have to jump through hoops like a fully-automatic firearm!
 
gunsmith, under normal conditions, like a coffee shop, you can't heat a water based liquid over 212 degrees F. It just boils into a gas but never gets hotter. The gas could be heated more, but it is hard to throw a gas. McDonalds did not deserve to lose that suit, in my humble opinion.

You are right about the sugar. Coffee with a lot of sugar heated to boiling would make a awful weapon. Of course, millions of people are allowed to buy such a drink and even walk around with them in public...:eek:
 
There is so little coffee dissolved in the water that I don't think that it would raise the boiling point to a measurable extent. Not more than a couple of degrees max. I was thinking of ways to measure it but it isn't worth the trouble.

FWIW, I've always considered hot coffee to be a viable weapon.

Anthony
 
Are these hot beverages being made in AUTOMATIC machines??? I thought automatics were illegal!!

And what's with these high-cap cups? No one needs more than 10 ounces at any one time. We all know that.

I think there should be a waiting period. When a cup is poured (manually of course), the drink licensee must wait 10 minutes in the back of the store until he or she, er, I mean his or her beverage has cooled down before being allowed to complete the purchase within splashing distance of the cashier.

No one should be allowed to buy more than one 10 oz. cup per month. If you were eating and sleeping right you wouldn't need any cups at all, so just be happy you'll be allowed one a month.

Moreover, all new cups must be sent to the State Police for testing before being made available to the drinking public so that splash patterns can be analyzed and stored on the computer and matched to the offending cup when a crime is committed. This may significantly increase the cost of hot beverages, but we all know it will be worth it.
 
Anyway, on a serious note, if they stick that coffee in a microwave they can heat it up past boiling and it would still be liquid not gas (thats why mcdonalds deserved to lose that lawsuit) and could be very dangerous.
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Not to derail or anything, but are you saying McD's microwaves their coffee? I used to work there, I can assure you we had no need to warm it in the microwave(btw, McD's uses a Q-ing oven, more closely related to a nuclear reactor than a microwave.) because it sits on a warmer all day.
 
Moreover, all new cups must be sent to the State Police for testing before being made available to the drinking public so that splash patterns can be analyzed and stored on the computer and matched to the offending cup when a crime is committed. This may significantly increase the cost of hot beverages, but we all know it will be worth it.
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If one child's life is saved, it will be worth it.
 
hmmm

not to derail this fine and very entertaining thread, but I remember reading somewhere that microwaving water can can heat it past the temp of boiling yet it remains liquid. afaik it was called "superheating".
Now of course this could be one of those rare occaisons(SIC) that
I am wrong (I know, your shocked that I could be wrong, now breath into the paper bag).

Mcdonald did deserve that lawsuit because they were warned many times but did not correct the problem.

I am not a lawyer but I did date one for a few years, if you do not agree with me she may come back, so please! agreeeee...arrrrgh:evil:
 
Water can exist as a liquid at temperatures above 100*C as a metastable superheated liquid. However a slight perturbation will cause it to instantly boil. It can also exist well below 0*C as a supercooled liquid, where the same stipulation applies to freezing. Take a course in thermodynamics some time, and you will learn all about this stuff.

In the real world, coffee is probably not above 100*C, which is hot enough.
 
Sherrif Joe knew what to do - coffee is banned in Maricopa County lock ups, and for that reason - hot liquids in the face can cause permanant damage
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Sheriff Joe cut out the coffee as it was costing the fine citizens of Maricopa County too much (I think it was $100,000 a year). Had nothing to do with it being used as a weapon. The prisoners could still use soup.
 
In order to stamp out the menace represented by unrestricted access to this deadly beverage, I propose legislation that includes the following:

"Manufacturers would have to microstamp a indentification number on each coffee bean, and also stamp that same number on the package holding the beans.

Buyers of coffee would have to register each purchase, with the indentification number of the coffee beans recorded by dealers, along with information about the buyers.

Police agencies would not be subject to this proposed legislation."

We can slip it into the next "emergency" appropriations bill if needed.;)
 
you can definately heat water past the boiling point and create a "superheated liquid" it is metastable not stabel though. The main reason that this can occur is a lack of nucleations sites for vapor bubbles to form. a sudden jolt or the addition of particles can cause the superheated liquid to turn to a gas violently. That is why some people have had cups of hot liquid seemingly explode when they took it out of the microwave and added a spoonfull of watever to it.

the mcdonalds case is a whole other can of worms and those who slam the verdict should not rely on our uber accurate media for a true picture of what went on, do a google search for "facts mcdonalds coffee case"
 
have any of these cups of coffee gone off by themselves?? The lids need external safeties as well obviously!
 
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