springfield XD KABOOM!!

[paintballdude902]

alright this was posted on the off topic section of the Bronco forum i belong to. im gonna post just his words and his pictures:

lucky to have my fingers

Originally Posted by JoeBob1901
Holy s^%&! What's the model/caliber? Ammo? What happened? Was a round stuck

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Originally Posted by Swatchie
how can you post **** like this and not tell the story? thats rude!

had three rounds in the mag while i was at the range the other night, fired all three rounds.
right after i fired the last one my left index finger was hurting like a mofo, i went to safety it and it wouldnt safety. i put it down and then i saw the damage
called the store where i bought the gun and ammo and they came to my work and picked up the gun within an hour.

gun was a Springfield armory XD .45
rounds were remington umc .45s

turns out remington and springfield are out in vegas for a big convention. owner of the gun store is out there with pictures and the gun/ammo and a statement, supposed to be have a meeting to day i guess so im waiting to hear what the scoop is


gun is brand new and didn even have a hundred rounds put threw it

Quote:

Originally Posted by 4drbronko
Scary.
How many rounds hit the target?
Missfire on 2nd leave a round in the barrel?

didn get to count on the target

def the barrel, not polymer or guide rod
id take more pics but the owner of the gun store came and got the gun and was unable to be disassembled at the time. slide would not move

i can look at the bottom of the gun at an angle and see threw the bottom of the barrel and out of the other end

any ideas on what happened? pretty much a new gun

 

[David E]

Seems like an odd place for the gun to "Ka-boom" if that's what really happened.

Better pics would help, from top, sides, etc.

If the chamber is fine, and the barrel exploded just short of the muzzle, then you had a major barrel obstruction, such as the previous bullet. This is NOT a "ka-BOOM"

In which case, since you didn't even notice the problem until you put it down and looked at it, I'd have to wonder if you noticed the recoil impulse of the previous round.

 

[paintballdude902]

my bad weapon failure

if you read the top this isnt my weapon but was posted on another forum i belong to. im simply helping him look for answers

 

[Samgotit]

Yep, guns break sometimes.

 

[NMGonzo]

They all do that.

 

[highorder]

If a gun ever blows up on me, no one is getting their hands on it until I can figure out what happened. Then it's likely going to the manufacturer, not the store I bought it from unless they are offering full replacement +$$$ for any medical bills, etc.

 

[Mike J]

I'm thinking squib round.

 

[hammerklavier]

Perhaps, but it still had sufficient power to chamber the next round.

 

[ATBackPackin]

The good news is that only his finger hurt.

It may or may not be a kaBOOM

OK, I can agree with that.

 

[Kingofthehill]

Has to be a squib...

Waiting for the XD/HS2000 haters because their glocks NEVER do that.

JOe

 

[paintballdude902]

thats what i think and the reason i said kaboom

 

[David E]

Perhaps, but it still had sufficient power to chamber the next round.

We don't know that. Maybe the shooter chambered it.

If a gun blows up like that......and the shooter doesn't immediately notice......I tend to scrutinize the shooter vewwy, vewwy closely....

 

[167]

A local PD in my area has had a couple issues with Rem UMC squibs lately. Rem has been good to them and replaced the effected weapons fortunately, and the guys shooting were attentive enough to notice the reduced recoil of the squib so no one was hurt. My guess is bad ammo. Maybe Rem will fess up to it and replace his gun for him if he is lucky. Probably not likely though.

 

[-v-]

Looks and sounds like a squib. Good thing he came away ok, sans the gun. Hopefully Remington will pay SA to get him a new gun. Good thing all he got was a sore trigger finger, and thats it.

 

[Kingofthehill]

If a gun blows up like that......and the shooter doesn't immediately notice......I tend to scrutinize the shooter vewwy, vewwy closely....

He doesn't sound like the quickest person, or a shooter with much experience.. hahaha

right after i fired the last one my left index finger was hurting like a mofo, i went to safety it and it wouldnt safety. i put it down and then i saw the damage

 

[WardenWolf]

Well, on a pistol, it's not that surprising that a squib would still allow it to chamber the next round since the squib prevents bleedoff of back pressure that would normally vent out the barrel tip. I agree that looks like a squib.

On another note, I've even seen a video where an AK squibbed going full auto and rechambered. It wasn't pretty. The squib lodged forward of the gas block, resulting in the gas between it and next round being forced into the gas piston and opening the action prematurely. This unlocked the bolt, vented hot gasses directly out of the breech, and blew the top cover off the gun. The guy was seriously lucky he wasn't hurt. If he was left-handed, he would have been.

 

[Ridgerunner665]

Looks like the slide broke...not a KaBoom.

When the slide broke, it let the spring get out of alignment...which is what chewed up the frame.

 

[Mike J]

paintballdude I'd appreciate it if you would let us know how this turns out with Springfield, Store owner, Ammo Manufacturer etc.

 

[ol' scratch]

A local PD in my area has had a couple issues with Rem UMC squibs lately. Rem has been good to them and replaced the effected weapons fortunately, and the guys shooting were attentive enough to notice the reduced recoil of the squib so no one was hurt. My guess is bad ammo. Maybe Rem will fess up to it and replace his gun for him if he is lucky. Probably not likely though.

This is about the third post I have read concerning Remington Ammo. The other I can recall off hand was a case head separation and subsiquent kaBOOM with a .22 long rifle. I think I will avoid Remington Ammo.

 

[thriftyjoe]

Should Xd owners have something to worry about?

 

[REAPER4206969]

Waiting for the XD/HS2000 haters because their glocks NEVER do that.

 

[RippinSVT]

I've had some handload squibs before, and they haven't cycled the action in my autos. Two were due to running my powder measure low when I was a newbie, the other two were due to 296 powder not igniting in cold weather (.357/.44 mag).

I must add though, that I immediately noticed them and new what happened.



As a funny sidenote, my father-in-law lets a few buddies hunt with some of his handguns every year during a hunting excursion. A few years back, he lent out a Smith 29 .44 mag and gave the guy some heavy W296/240gr handloads. It was a cold morning and the first shot squibbed. The guy didn't think twice and fired two more full-house loads behind the stuck bullet and miraculously the only thing that happened was a bulged barrel. I thought that was incredible, and incredibly dumb on the guys part.

 

[Gungnir]

ok I also think this is a squib, the only thing that could cause the damage to the receiver there would be the barrel, and only if it bulged. the guide rod, and spring wouldn't do that to the receiver under normal operation, unless you were operating it with a hammer, to the front of the receiver, and the guide rod and spring look bent.

Since Bronco Billy didn't realize that the XD45 doesn't have a mechanical safety, it doesn't seem likely he'd notice a light load. Although even so I'm still surprised, I've seen torture tests of XD's where they hammered a bullet into the crown end of the barrel and fired a fresh one down the pipe, and the weapon continued to work flawlessly, with only a little barrel bulge. I've never trusted the Remington UMC brand myself, they always seem to be a light charge in comparision to other brands and even other Remington lines. Instant project I'll get some and Chrono it just to check (always good to find something that you can get a whole bunch of different ammo and spend an afternoon futzing about with a gun).

 

[Runningman]

Over the years on shooting ranges I've seen 3 barrels broken in half somewhat like that. All 3 involved obstructions inside the bore.

I once saw a guy launch a foot length of barrel 75 yards down range. With a brand new 300 Winchester mag, his 1st shot from the brand new rifle. He was OK and left really mad (under stated) at the rifle maker. When we went down to change targets the guy next to me picked up a foot long chunk of the guys barrel 75 yards down range. When he looked inside of the barrel, there was plastic cleaning rod end and cleaning patch almost in perfect condition right where the barrel broke in half. Kind of bizarre.

Would like to know if the slide was racked after a squib round. Or could have just been a slightly below 700 FPS bullet the previous round that stuck in the bore and may have had enough power to cycled the slide with no help. Those slow moving 230 grain jacketed 45 Auto bullets don't have to drop off to much velocity before risking sticking one in the bore.

Good thing the guy is alright.

I would have hate to been this guy. http://www.carolinashootersforum.com/showthread.php?t=64234

 

[possum]

the squib rd dosen't have to go very far down the barrle for another round to be chambered behind it. i am guessing that this is what happened.

what aggrevates me is now the anti xd'ers are gonna be all over this because someone didn't have all teh info, it wasn't even thier gun, and they posted it no telling how many forums, with the label of kaboom.

i guess i wll be defending the xd line even more in the comming days.

btw i have a service model with over 17,000rds, i ran ammo from many many different makers, and lots of reloads and i have never had an issue.