springfield XD KABOOM!!

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somebody post a picture of a steel gun all blown up so we dont get the idea its just the tupperware pistols that'll kill ya.
 
possum said:
the squib rd dosen't have to go very far down the barrle for another round to be chambered behind it. i am guessing that this is what happened.

what aggrevates me is now the anti xd'ers are gonna be all over this because someone didn't have all teh info, it wasn't even thier gun, and they posted it no telling how many forums, with the label of kaboom.

i guess i wll be defending the xd line even more in the comming days.

btw i have a service model with over 17,000rds, i ran ammo from many many different makers, and lots of reloads and i have never had an issue.
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Your post is hilarious. Get on your battle armor because the anti-xd'ers are coming. Getting a little melodramatic, aren't we?
 
Mike the Wolf said:
Well, on a pistol, it's not that surprising that a squib would still allow it to chamber the next round since the squib prevents bleedoff of back pressure that would normally vent out the barrel tip. I agree that looks like a squib.
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If this was the case, hypothetically, then the gun's operating principle at least for that particular round would have been "enhanced" simple blowback rather than short recoil. Interesting...and unfortunate because it would be nice, for the sake of safety, if autoloaders would always stop firing in the event of a squib load.

possum said:
the squib rd dosen't have to go very far down the barrle for another round to be chambered behind it. i am guessing that this is what happened.
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That's true, too, as short recoil is aptly named, and I think takes a lot less energy than many people seem to believe. So which is it? Both?

Anyway, I don't see this incident as anything to get overly excited about (unless we get a whole bunch of different reports about XD barrels bursting for no reason). It could happen to any pistol and will hopefully serve as a reminder to stop firing if something--anything--doesn't feel right about the last shot (especially if nothing hits the target!). And, in my opinion, never fire so rapidly that each shot is not a deliberate act that you can decide to stop doing in time if something goes wrong.
 
 
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Someone else posted this link to a blowed up xdm. The consensus on CarolinaShooters is that the gun fired out of battery. Anyone care to speculate why an xdm would fire out of battery, or give advice about how to keep that from happening? Because I just bought my girlfriend an xdm, and I'll be in deep kimchee if it blows up in her hand!

http://www.carolinashootersforum.com/showthread.php?t=64234
 
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95thebroncoman351 said:
talked to the gun store were i purchased it and the owners wife informed me that the owner of the store took my little XD out to vegas for the shot show convention. a meeting with both Springfield and remington was supposed to be had this week so we will see
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heres an update
 
Well, on a pistol, it's not that surprising that a squib would still allow it to chamber the next round since the squib prevents bleedoff of back pressure that would normally vent out the barrel tip.
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Not possible. XD uses standard short recoil system; The barrel and slide are locked. They unlock from recoil, not chamber/bore pressure. A squib that doesn't even get the barrel out of the bore will have almost zero recoil.
 
Yeah, so when the guy says ' I went to safety it and it wouldn't safety' ***? Really? Take your finger off the trigger and the safety is engaged. Guessing not a very experience shooter or something fishy about this story.
 
gb6491 said:
Any reason it couldn't be a service model with thumb safety?
Regards,
Greg
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This is the XD 45 Service notice the length of the slide, in particular where the guide rod and spring assembly are.

Compare to this the XD 45
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I'd say it was NOT an XD 45 Service.
 
Thats a 4 inch model...notice the captive recoil spring, the 5 inch models don't have captive springs.

I was wrong in my first post...after a closer look I can see that the barrel is blown (didn't notice that before).

Yep...squib.

And with that said...the pistol held up OK considering...

I have 2 XD 45's...a Tactical and a Compact, love em both...like the Compact better though.
 
Hi, MachIVShooter and guys,

I have run some limited tests (with a Model 1911 type) and the recoil of the bullet moving even 3-4 inches IS enough to cycle the slide. Remember, recoil starts when the bullet starts to move, so the slide and barrel are moving backwards while the bullet is still in the barrel. By the time the bullet leaves the barrel and the slide and barrel unlock, the slide has enough momentum to cycle. But even a bullet movement that stops short of exit will have given enough momentum to the slide to cycle, though not with the normal speed.

(FWIW, I have also run tests with the barrel completely blocked so the bullet could not move. There was no recoil and the gun did not open.)

Jim
 
Your post is hilarious. Get on your battle armor because the anti-xd'ers are coming. Getting a little melodramatic, aren't we?
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partially meant as a joke, and if you can not read into that, i am sorry.

the fact still stands, this is how myths and bs gets started, because someone who dosen't know what they are talking about makes a thread on a forum.
 
the guys shooting were attentive enough to notice the reduced recoil of the squib so no one was hurt.
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Is the recoil on a squip that much less than a good shot? I know the noise should be reduced, but I have no firsthand experience.
 
Is the recoil on a squip that much less than a good shot? I know the noise should be reduced, but I have no firsthand experience.
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Yes. While you may be going too fast (in a competition or practice) to catch yourself before you pull the trigger again, a squib feels more like a misfire than a fired round.

Of course, that NEXT shot feels more like a hand grenade...

-Sam
 
There shouldn't be any recoil at all with a squib, since nothing leaves the barrel; the really dangerous thing is when someone figures "Oh, it's just a dud round", they eject the chambered case (leaving a bullet jammed in the bore), and then fire another cartridge behind it.
 
so let me ask a semi-related question.


Is this a reason, to pay 11.95 for 9mm from the store instead of reloading it? seriously. if a squib is that dangerous, and the probability of a squib increases I assume loading your own ammo......

I wonder if its a risk worth taking for the cheaper calibers.
 
if a squib is that dangerous, and the probability of a squib increases I assume loading your own ammo......
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Well, the squib itself isn't necessarily that dnagerous. It's your response to it that counts. I've had squibs. I've never had a KB or otherwise damaged gun. Sometimes a squib doesn't enter the barrel far enough to allow the next round to chamber. That's pretty safe. Sometimes a squib round will make it out of the barrel completely, but just at a really low velocity. No real harm done.

So it's really just a certain percentage of a pretty unlikely (though not impossible) occurrance that can cause a dangerous situation -- IF the shooter doesn't recognzie it and cease fire.

Whether squibs are more common in factory ammo or reloaded would be the subject of heated debate and would depend a lot on who was doing the reloading.

I reload all my handgun ammo. I may blow up a gun someday, but I haven't so far. I'll keep reloading and try to maintain best practices.

(And, to put a pretty fine point on it, a KB'd or blown up handgun, while wasteful of the gun and potentially able to cause some minor injury, isn't the sort of catestrophic event that kills anyone, or maims them. At least I've never heard of it. There are plenty of tales of sore hands, maybe a cut or two, and lots of folks thankful for their eye protection, but it's not like folks are dying or losing limbs. Grim, I know, but you have to assess the actual level of risk involved.)

-Sam
 
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