Staging self-defense guns for retrieval in an attack...

[bearcreek]

That was cleraly not what could reasonably be considered an educated opinion.

What would constitute an educated opinion then? Seems like someone who was called to multiple cases of guns being stolen over a period of 30 years could be considered to have acquired some level of "education" in the subject, no?

Did you not expect people to infer that you also disagreed with the concern about the risk of theft?

I expected people to argue about it. This is an internet forum. Upon what basis Or upon whose experience do you get your opinion on the subject?

 

[wayneinFL]

That works whan one is sitting on the chair or sofa.

That's a good point.

I have a pistol in my desk in the front bedroom where I sit 8 hours a day. It's accessible within 2 seconds. I have a pistol on the nightstand in the master bedroom where I spend another 8 hours a day. It's accessible within 2 seconds.

If I am moving between the two, eating lunch, washing dishes, whatever, I have a J frame in my pocket accessible within 2 seconds.

If my dogs alerted me to someone pulling into my driveway, there should be at least 4 seconds to access a firearm. In the unlikely event that there is a killer trying to pull the door open I would be retreating to the furthest place from the back and rear doors to my house. That would be the front bedroom or the master bedroom, where there is a full size pistol accessible.

 

[Kleanbore]

What would constitute an educated opinion then? Seems like someone who was called to multiple cases of guns being stolen over a period of 30 years could be considered to have acquired some level of "education" in the subject, no?

Was not Byron Dickens' explanation adequate for you?

 

[The Night Rider]

You know what? I don't stage guns throughout my home.

If you do it doesn't change my life in the slightest.

Y'all enjoy your pissin' contest

 

[shafter]

Of course more guns would be stolen from hiding places that safes because the safe is nearly impossible for a burglar to access and they aren't easy to move away.

Hiding places can be checked real quick and most people aren't as creative as they think they are. Much depends on the individual burglar too and how much time they have. Some are thorough, others are stupid and intoxicated and many, are people the victim knows and has been inside the house.

 

[luzyfuerza]

In my never-humble opinion, the only gun that should be "stashed" in your house, ready-to-go, is the long gun in your safe room.

Only because you can't wear it the rest of the time.

 

[Kleanbore]

When I was growing up, there were no firearms in the house, but my maternal grandfather kept his loaded .3s2S&W Regulatiion Police revolver on the lower shelf of a nightstand. One of his sons in law kept a Colt .45 Automatic under his pillow. I later followed suit, heeping a handgun in a drawer in the bedroom, readily accessible when i was in he bedroom. Of course, we wre all vulnerable to loss by theft.

Once I read an review of a revised model of the Charter Arms Bulldog .44. The writer, whom I think was Sheriff Jim Wilson, mused about getting one to keep in his shop.

I tought about keeping a secnd gon ont eh first floor, but I was dusswaded by concer about theft.

Then, someone posted--here, I believe--about someones havong looked up from his computer when he felt cold air on his neck and finding two strangers in the apartment.. Wrong address, it turned out.

That was still on my mind when someone on The Firing Line asked whether anyone carried ithe house. The idea struck me as preposterous--until I reflected upon how many different possible points of entry we have, whare I might be at any time, and how easily my path to my firearm could be blocked or how easily I might lose a foot-race to the gun. Those conderns are equally valid when it comes to "staged' gums, as the little test propsed by GEM will surely prove for lot of people.

I started carrying in the house, not just to ensure quick access and to minimize the chance of theft, but also to obviate the need for unholstering and diong somehing eiht the gun when returning home.

I do not find carrying in the house any more of a burden than carrying in the car or in the suoermarket.

 

[bearcreek]

Was not Byron Dickens' explanation adequate for you?

Adequate for me to do what? He explained his opinion, which, if I understood correctly, is based on the idea that humans are predictable and that it's hard to think of hiding places that other humans haven't already thought of (@bdickens, correct me if I misunderstood) My friend's opinion is based on seeing what burglars, in the calls he was involved in, stole from more often. Both of those opinions are "educated", just from different "schools", shall we say. I don't understand why you would say that extensive personal experience in a given subject wouldn't provide an "educated" opinion, while deduction based on one's perception of human nature would.

 

[Kleanbore]

Adequate for me to do what?

To help you understand what would constitute an educated opinion.

My friend's opinion is based on seeing what burglars, in the calls he was involved in, stole from more often. Both of those opinions are "educated", just from different "schools", shall we say.

No.

I don't understand why you would say that extensive personal experience in a given subject wouldn't provide an "educated" opinion, while deduction based on one's perception of human nature would.

Perhaps the term "educsted opinion" does not mean anything here.

Thev alleged observations of one person provide far too few data to support a conclusion of any validity--on any subject.

What Byron said is supported by demonstrated facts--there are a lot of supporting data--and by common sense.

He explained his opinion, which, if I understood correctly, is based on the idea that humans are predictable and that it's hard to think of hiding places that other humans haven't already thought of

That should be plainly obvious to anyone. It does not prove anything about theft, but it can explain a lot of it.

And again, many real burglars do not go through a residendclooking for things--they dump every drawer, empty cavinet and close ,vand toss every mattress. Toe people can do that very qicly, find and take the valuables, and get out of the house in a veery short time.

You said that your uncle "never saw a burglar find a hidden gun, but there were many instances of them breaking into and stealing guns that were in safes". That one might think it reasonable to conclude anything from that does not begin to pass the smell test. Nor is it relevant--issue is not about whether firearms are staged in safes or are "hidden".

 

[The Night Rider]

Then, someone posted--here, I believe--about someones havong looked up from his computer when he felt cold air on his neck and finding two strangers in the apartment.. Wrong address, it turned out.

A lock the door would have been more beneficial in that situation than a gun

 

[Kleanbore]

A lock the door would have been more beneficial in that situation than a gun

Yes, and the way the event unfolded can teach us something. The man's girlfriend was taking a stack of graded papers out to her car and did not lock the door while she was out,

 

[The Night Rider]

Yes, and the way the event unfolded can teach us something. The man's girlfriend was taking a stack of graded papers out to her car and did not lock the door while she was out,

I'm all about an ounce of prevention beating a pound of cure. What was she doing walking out to the car after dark?

Really what was she doing walking out to the car at all? She's going to work tomorrow right? Take the papers then

 

[bearcreek]

To help you understand what would constitute an educated opinion.
No.Perhaps the term "educsted opinion" does not mean anything here.

Thev alleged observations of one person provide far too few data to support a conclusion of any validity--on any subject.

What Byron said is supported by demonstrated facts--there are a lot of supporting data--and by common sense.

That should be plainly obvious to anyone. It does not prove anything about theft, but it can explain a lot of it.

And again, many real burglars do not go through a residendclooking for things--they dump every drawer, empty cavinet and close ,vand toss every mattress. Toe people can do that very qicly, find and take the valuables, and get out of the house in a veery short time.

You said that your uncle "never saw a burglar find a hidden gun, but there were many instances of them breaking into and stealing guns that were in safes". That one might think it reasonable to conclude anything from that does not begin to pass the smell test. Nor is it relevant--issue is not about whether firearms are staged in safes or are "hidden".

I've never mentioned an uncle of mine in the entire time I've been a member of this forum, let alone this thread. I haven't a clue where you came up with that. That and the large number of typos in your post lead me to wonder if you're really reading what I'm saying or what you're writing before posting it.

Bdickens didn't demonstrate any facts, he just posted his opinion, based on his logic, which I did not at any point say was flawed. I posted my friends opinion, based on extensive experience. I'm sort of baffled as to why you wouldn't consider an opinion based on 30 years of experience as not "educated". Would he be more "educated" if he read more opinions on internet forums? Where are these "demonstrated facts", that you mention? Can you point to actual data? Statistics? A study of some kind? If one was posted in this thread, I'm sorry, I missed it.

 

[Jeff White]

I think that we’ve said everything there is to say on this topic.