State authorities asking gun owners to allow guns to be test fired.

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I've got an Idea, how about serial codes tattoed on our necks. Then we can just be scanned like cattle, and all our information would show up. DNA, political opinions finger prints, ex girlfriends. Sattelite trackers too.

If you want no crime, this is your world. Punishing the innocent to protect the guilty.

As for me, I'll take freedom.
 
and i suspect when the smoke clears the judge will issue a warant for the guns that aren't otherwise brought forth. i also suspect it will be a very small number of folks who will need to see a warrant.most folks don't have that many pride issues and their whole identity isn't intertwined with a useful tool
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It has nothing to do with pride, and everything to do with the notion that the .gov cannot compell me to provide data that I am not legally required to obtain or maintain.

Just how do you think they are going to get said warrants, in the face of no legal requirement for the presumed Glock owners to actually show the firearm upon demand nor maintain any sales records?
 
nobodys hero
i take that for a long admission that you too can't point to a brokem law or right trampled. i do readily aknowledge and accept that this has hurt your feeling but thats not a broken law yet
 
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just because some one gunned down 2 kids these innocent folks were willing to allow the cops to narrow their search. how dare they!
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WOW ! Where did this come from? Haven't you been reading the posts before you or did you just jump in with both feet - in your mouth? Sorry.... that just came out. You have a right to your opinion but you were pretty hard on previous posters.

No one, I repeat, no one is going to turn in their gun for testing if they are the one who shot the girls. It's scary enough that they found out that 60 people owned .40 cal weapons in and around that small town but to say that they'll
“We’ll be checking on them,” Brown said, as well as the 15 or so registered gun owners who did not show up for the test firings.
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This sure doesn't sound like they'll be asking for a voluntary giving up of their weapons anymore. Maybe that doesn't scare some people but it is a very bad precident to set.
 
I did say that the investigation hasn't gotten that far, but I'm not about to adopt the "no harm done" opinion that many here have expressed.

3pairs12 said:
There already is a database of DNA for anbody that has there DNA ran. There already is a database for anyfirearm that a 4473 was filled out to purchase. There has been nobody saying that the other 15 are suspects. If you got a letter asking to test your particular firearm appartenetly you already on a list right. So what right would you be giving up when you voluntarily have your weapon, that the LEA already knows that you have, test fired. The right to not have your lead or casings in a database. As for the future murder of children hopefully there will be some leads. NOTHING in my book is worth more than a childs life. So don't frown on the people who did show. Just as I don't frown upon the people who didn't.
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She said about five owners contacted the OSBI to say they no longer owned the weapons, although they did provide the names of the new owners.

“We’ll be checking on them,” Brown said, as well as the 15 or so registered gun owners who did not show up for the test firings.
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The. Remainders. Are. Being. Considered. As. Suspects.

The fact that we already have de facto registration doesn’t justify the continued abuse by the prosecutors in this case. On the contrary, it reinforces the need to get rid of that registration. Otherwise, we will warp our justice system to the point where the burden of proof rests with the innocent (more than it already is warped).

Edit: MinnMooney beat me.
 
Something similar was tried in the late 1990s when a 13-year-old British girl was raped and murdered and the DNA of the entire Brittany village was collected so that the police could find the person responsible. Here's an early report:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/36184.stm

And later:

http://www.tvthrong.co.uk/special/real-crime-the-caroline-dickinson-murder

The same thing happend in Australia in 1999 -- at Wee Waa in New South Wales in 1999. This led to the conviction of a man for raping a 91-year-old woman.
 
So where do you draw the line...
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I don’t know. But if I lived in Weleetka, I would not draw the line here.

I understand the opinions of some people regarding the actions of the authorities.

Clearly the police have no leads, or else this action would not have taken place. If I saw the parents of these little girls, I would know I did the right thing under the circumstances. I wouldn’t try telling the Mother and Father I was protecting ‘MY’ rights over finding the killers of your daughter.

I would not place myself in Weleetka, as one of 15 out of 60 that would not cooperate with the police on helping to identify a killer of this magnitude. If, God forbid, it was your son or daughter I would do the same for you.
 
No they aren't. They are going to be approached by an LEO though. Where does it say that the ones who didn't show are now suspects. Besides I bet apples to oranges it isn't a legal gun owner anyway. It may be a p.i.t.a. for those who didn't show but still nothing saying hey we now have 15 more suspects.
 
Just how do you think they are going to get said warrants, in the face of no legal requirement for the presumed Glock owners to actually show the firearm upon demand nor maintain any sales records?


not sure how they do it in texas but in most other states they have to go before a judge and convince trhe judge to sign off on one. probably a non starter for 60 but narrow it to less than 10 and we'll see. it may never get that far if they get lucky and turn up the killer before then
 
I really can't stay and argue semantics:

(From Merriam-Webster)

Main Entry: sus·pect

Pronunciation: \sə-ˈspekt\

Function: verb

Etymology: Middle English, from Latin suspectare, frequentative of suspicere to look up at, regard with awe, suspect, from sub-, sus- up, secretly + specere to look at — more at sub-, spy
Date: 15th century
transitive verb

1 : to imagine (one) to be guilty or culpable on slight evidence or without proof <suspect him of giving false information>
2 : to have doubts of : distrust <suspects her motives>
3 : to imagine to exist or be true, likely, or probable <I suspect he's right>
intransitive verb
: to imagine something to be true or likely
 
Ok I dont get the point of this thread. Some gun owners probably feel bad two innocent girls got killed so they dont mind the testing just to "assist" the police. Thats fine for them let them do it if they wish. 15 others oppted out, fine for them too, not like they have to. Unless officers go to their houses and start intimidating or coercing gun owners im my opinion this is a non issue. They can make a defacto balistic fingerprint database because every gun owner knows during a certain type of cleaning you totally change the markings on the slug they match with "balistic fingerprinting". Hypotetically a lawful gunowner could have shot these girls, went home changes the balistic markings, and then turned his gun in to the police and no one would be the wiser. This is just stupid all around.
 
I'm really amazed at how many people here can't quite understand the possible ramifications of allowing a precedent like this is to be set and the great chance one would take in complying with such a letter under these exact conditions .

What don't you people understand about the concept of mass production ?

Those guns are as close to 100% identical as the manufacture can make them , and with Glock and the 10mm bullet size both being comparatively new on the gun market they could just as easily have gotten 5 or 6 samples that were very close to a match to what they were looking for and still could from the remaining 15 guns not brought in .

The gun was probably stolen from an average gun owner and depending on it's age the wear on it's rifling could be predicted by one familiar with ballistics .

As much as the murder of those little children in my community would enrage me , being locked in a jail cell and having it published that I was the #1 suspect just because my guns rifling was similar to that of a murder weapon when I knew I was home alone watching television and the gun was in the safe would enrage me even more not to mention the thought of spending the rest of my life in jail while the real killers walk around free to do it to other children .

Once a conviction has been gotten even on evidence as flimsy as ballistics the cops don't keep looking for a killer and many a conviction HAS been gotten in small towns on thin evidence when the crime is particularly heinous as this one due to the levels of emotion of everyone involved .

It wasn't all that long ago that when something like this happened small towns were whipped into such frenzy's they formed Lynch mobs and hung the wrong people all the time .

I'm sorry just doesn't cut it when you've served 15+ years of your life behind bars for a crime you didn't commit I don't care how upset the town was .
 
i take that for a long admission that you too can't point to a brokem law or right trampled.
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I think perhaps you are missing the point here. The moment this tactic goes from "voluntary" to "mandatory", as the language of the letter is certainly intended to imply, all our notions of probable cause and due process of law are out the window. The fact that they are even trying to achieve this in an ostensibly voluntary way speaks volumes about their respect for the legal restraints on their power, i.e. they have no respect for them. Now I gather you have no problem with that, and you are certainly entitled to that opinion, but it is not one that I or many of the others on this thread share, and in fact I regret to inform you that you have some rather odious bedfellows in that line of thinking. That you are trying to cast those of us who are disturbed by this as nothing more than apologists for the murderer of two girls is an emotive cop out and frankly offensive.
 
Nobody is arguing semantics here thanks for the definition of suspect though. As far as i know noby has been served a warrant for not showing up. To be approached and asked simple little questions like do you have a glock 40 still doesn't mean that you are looked upon as being capable of comiiting a crime. I would have shown you wouldn't have good I don't frown upon you for that and would expect the same from you but "suspect" that you are capable of frowning upon me. Also as staed earlier NOTHING is more valuable than a childs life in my book no matter what the ramafications may be. Sorry its how it is.
 
If I saw the parents of these little girls, I would know I did the right thing under the circumstances. I wouldn’t try telling the Mother and Father I was protecting ‘MY’ rights over finding the killers of your daughter.
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Well, I guess that's just you. I might say something like, "I'm very sorry about your daughter, but since I didn't kill them and I know my gun wasn't used to kill them, I won't be submitting to the test".

BTW, nitpicking here, but have they actually narrowed it down to just Glocks, or are they looking at all brands? I know the letter refers to a Glock, but they could have done a form letter with a mail merge that "personalizes" the letter for each recipient according to purchase records. I saw nothing else in the article to suggest that they had narrowed it to Glocks only.
 
The following Monday, your preacher, knowing you own a handgun asks you, “Did you take your gun to the Courthouse to help the police”?
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Ginger, my response would be quite simple: "There was a rape the other day, you go down and help with the investigation by submitting to a DAN test to prove your innocence? No? Got something to hide?"
 
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