Staying in the Hospital

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jahwarrior

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my first weekend of the New Year was spent in the hospital. just another chapter in the story of "I Don't Know What's Wrong With My Lungs." i have asthma, but lately, it's been out of control. last week was pretty bad. i decided enough was enough, and checked myself into CMC, in Scranton.

i arrived on Friday afternoon, around 1 o'clock. i won't relate every thing i witnessed; all i can say is, you shoulda been there. it was almost like being back in NYC, and watching the drama unfold in big-city ERs. two obese women fighting over a man. some guy looking for the girlfriend he just beat up, to stop her from telling the police he beat her, by beating her up. some drunk guy, trying out for the National Long Distance Pissing Team, trying to pee on hospital security from his room while cuffed to a bed. two of Scranton's finest tackling some drugged out football player. all this, with an unarmed security team, and a conveniently placed "No Guns" sign for our benefit.

i was finally admitted, and was taken to a room upstairs, around 11:30 pm. i settled in, put on the hospital jammies, slipped the 1911 under the pillow, and a pocket folder, a Gerber (i'm unsure of the model), on the nightstand beside me. i closed the door, and balanced an empty can of Pepsi on the door latch, to wake me if someone entered the room.

the next day was pretty uneventful. i sat around in a bed, breathing in endless amounts of vaporized albuterol and ipratropium, steroids being fed through an IV, while entertaining the parade of women in scrubs who made their way to my room to check my pulse, look in my ears, and listen to my lung function. straight pimpin'.

albuterol does have a tendency to make me irritable, in high doses. spending the weekend in a hospital does nothing to improve that. i knew i was in a bad way when i found myself snapping at a reasonably attractive young woman from food services.

"hi! how are you?"

"i'm here, aren't i?"

i instantly felt like a huge jerk. she looked up at me, and smiled anyway, but it was one of those pitying smiles. i hate pitying smiles. i looked away, out of the window, and let her collect my dishes from lunch.

i decided to take a walk, in an attempt to find something unhealthy to eat. put my pants on, a t shirt on, and my sweater on. put the 1911 in my waistband, Mexican style. i've always wondered where that phrase came from. i've never seen a Mexican with a gun. is that how they do it down there? i think i'm going to start calling it Plaxico-style.

later on that evening, a younger nurse came by to give me another steroid treatment. she commented on my tattoos, asking me where i got them, then asked about this accent i supposedly have. "what borough are you from?"

"the Bronx."

"i knew it! what part?"

"Parkchester."

"get out! i'm from Castle Hill!"

we spoke for nearly 30 minutes, about moving from NYC to Scranton, the similarity in accents, tattoos, and crime. another nurse came looking for her, and noticed the folder sitting on the night stand.

"oh, wow, that's a big knife."

"uh, it's just a 4" blade."

"uh, can you put that in the drawer there? just to be safe?"

i looked at the other nurse, who was giving her the same mental facepalm that i was. "sure," i said. "for safety."

an hour later, she returned with security. "we're just gonna take that, to be safe. you can get it back when you leave."

"whatever." i still had my EDC knife, a Spyderco Chinook II, in my waistband, and my extra special secret 1911 under the pillow.

as they turned to leave, i called after them. "oh, for safety, can i have a security guard posted outside my room?"

"huh?"

"you know, for safety. there's no lock on the door, and people can just wander around up here."

they both gave me a puzzled look, and walked away.

Sunday morning, my doctor came in to yell at me. he's always yelling at me, for various reasons: i don't eat enough, i eat too much, why don't i ever see you but once a year, i don't care if you're not insured, if you're sick you need to come in! he decided i was healthy enough to go home, finally, and wrote me a billion presriptions i'll never fill out, because i'm broke.

i called for a ride, got dressed, and went to go collect my knife. the security guard on duty brought it out to me, and a double layered palstic bag, with my name and phone # written on it. "these bags are thick, it might be a pain in the ass to open," he warned.

"no problem." i opened up the Spydie, and sliced the bag open. the security guard stood there, slightly surprised.

"can i ask a question?"

"uh, sure."

"if some guy walked in here, with a machete, or a baseball bat, and started to swing it at people, what are you supposed to do?"

"call the police!"

"and what are we supposed to do?"

"we?"

"yeah, the people who aren't security guards. people like me."

"i guess, just do what you gotta do."

"hmm." i said nothing else, except to thank him, and walked out of the door. i looked back at the sign on the entrance, and shook my head. i guess doing what i gotta do doesn't involve defending myself. it pissed me off just a little.

normally, those signs don't perturb me in the slightest, because i ignore them, and conceal my dirty little heart away. this time, it irritated me, and not because of the albuterol. there i was, sick, tired, and not at 100% physically. in fact, it's safe to say that if you're hospitalized, you're more vulnerable than normal. hospitals, it seems to me now, are buildings full of victims, waiting to happen.

not me, man. not me.
 
Whoa look how cool this guy is, he ignores private property rights. Boy aren't you just the coolest!
 
i honestly can't think of an appropriate reply to this, i don't like to be quick to call people liars, but i don't really understand the point of this post. (IBTL)
 
the point of the post, or one of them, was indicated in the last paragraph. i've been in and out of the hospital over the past few years, and i'm appalled at the utter lack of security. except for pediatrics and the neonatal unit, the hospital is free to roam around.

it's incredible that while they provide no security for it's patients, who for the ost part, are sick and weakened, they disallow patients the ability to defend themselves.

as far as property rights are concerned, how many places do you know of allow the carry of firearms? i don't exactly see signs in front of malls inviting people who carry to come shop at Bed, Bath and Beyond. concealed is concealed.

and it's very high road to assume someone is lying, because they relayed a situation or experience you haven't.:rolleyes:
 
seeing as I work in a hospital... (not knowing the policies of this particular hospital..) there is no way you would get to the floor with multiple knives and a 1911... sorry... notagonnahappen.... why? little to do with YOUR safety. I know several nurses who carry a gun of their own... allowed or not, and others who carry knives or chemical spray... allowed or not... why shouldnt a patient have one? well.. depends on the patient but lets go with your case.. you cannot breath.. do you know what happens when a person's CO2 level rises due to ineffective breathing? Rapid confusion and panic.. not good if said person has a gun and tries to shoot the nurses who are attempting to treat him/her. Do you want to wake up after being intubated only to find you have no memory of the nurse/doctor you killed while he/she was trying to save your life?
 
I'm not sure I really see the point either.

I mean yeah, there's the issue that we're not necessarily safe in a no-gun zone. But the chest-thumping is awful thick for such an obvious message.

But uh, good on ya?:rolleyes:

And PT1911 raises a good point - there's no way in HELL you're getting into a room with all those knives and a pistol. Even if you don't get busted when they're checking you in, there are always orderlies and nurses futzing around with your bed and stuff in the room.

Yeah, I call BS.
 
it's pretty easy to walk into a hospital armed, actually. it's not like you get patted down when you get admitted. security is very lax there. their idea of safeguarding the patients is the same as many businesses: posting a "No Guns" sign outside. you know, for the safety of their patients and staff.:rolleyes:
 
Walking into the hospital... as a visitor... easy to do armed. Getting admitted without being made...not so much. If the admitting nurse is doing his/her job, you will get made as the admitting assessment involves more than "deep breath..deep breath... ok follow me." If you were admitted correctly to the hospital you would reach your room in a gown, underwear if you were lucky and a bag with everything else in it. OTHERWISE.. you could claim any bruising, lacerations, or other injury occured after your admission and thus would be the responsibility of the hospital.
 
i don't disrobe in hospitals unless i'm getting an MRI or something that requires me to disrobe. i don't see the point. i also make it a point to carry my bag with me, to carry personal items like a camera, a phone, clothes, etc., in case i get admitted.
 
as I said.. your hospital may be different... just telling you the policy at ours and the rationale behind it.
 
Bringing a gun into a hospital wouldn't be hard at all, even if you are being admitted. Simply just tuck it in your "overnight bag" full of magazines and underwear.

You do bring up a good point though, security is pretty lax at hospitals, especially for how much crazy stuff goes on at them.

Should you be allowed to defend yourself?

Of course!
 
PT1911: if the hospitals in your area are like that, then i get why my experience may be hard to swallow. do your hospitals have armed security, and metal detectors and stuff? the most secure area in the hospital here is the neonatal unit: all newborns get a bracelet, and if they pass a certain point on the floor, an alarm sounds, the doors electronically lock, and security is called. that's about it, though. everyone else is on their own.

there are two other hospitals in my area, but CMC specializes in respiratory and cardiac care. one of the hospitals does have armed security, but only one man per shift (i asked).

and i carry the PT1911 daily.:)
 
The security provisions at local hospitals in this area is still a dismal which I agree is an issue and, at the very least, armed security (off duty police would do) should be a necessity but not politically correct apparently. Fortunately, the great majority of the time there are policemen present for one reason or another. The neonate unit is similar to what you describe but our ICU (where I work) is probably the most secure as we have set visiting and even then we must allow them back. Still, if there was an issue of some sort, hospital regulations would have us as little more than sitting ducks... in that respect I see your point.. BUT... the greater immediate threat would be a patient who is confused for one reason or another pulling out the gun or knife he/she smuggled into the room.

I honestly do see the point you are making and DO NOT disagree with the need of greater security measures. There is just more to consider than what if a BG decides to come in and start shooting.
 
The last time I was admitted to a hospital, in September, I did arrive unconscious. my brother brought me; I had pneumonia, and passed out trying to stand up. The next day, when I woke up, the hospital contacted him. He rushed over, and brought my 1911 to me. I think this was a good decision to make, and I understand your point. If I'd felt like my capacity was diminished, I wouldn't have gone to the hospital on my own, but I had a clear head, if not clear lungs.
 
First thought: OP is obviously upset with more facets of healthcare situation than the security.

Next thought: Most places have limits of knives @ 4", also 4" is quite noticeable especially as a fixed blade. Biggest knife I carry anywhere besides hunting is a 3.5" Folder, opens near instantly and is very non-conspicuous since it says "Browning" and is that dark camo-green color. Perhaps switching to something recognizable as an outdoors knife would be a good idea, attract less attention.

Last thought: I've spent more time in hospitals than anyone at my age should have. I've never really considered security while admitted however upon recollection I can offer this point. Most hospitals I have been in have very tight security, however that is only at the front door and easily circumvented with "I'm here to see Pulmonary." In other words it would be very easy for someone to get into a hospital to commit a crime if they had a purpose (maybe a secret agent assassination) however in the world of probability, the likelihood of random acts of violence occurring in a hospital anywhere far from the front lobby or ER is minimal. The largest threat I would perceive would be a family dispute involving a patient that gets out of hand, however this kind of thing usually gets noted when the patient walks in the door because there are usually warning signs.
 
I find it funny that people swear that sheep medical staff would notice (or even CARE) what a patient had in his clothing. I bet these same crack medical professionals would stop any and all unauthorized food from coming in too. ROFLMAO!

I've had idiot hospital staff give a deputy escorted INMATE (in jail jump suits, chained to bed) personal clothes and/or items. *** are they thinking? Answer: they don't. They are sheep.

Shhh!! Don't wake the sheep with logical safety thinking!

Justin
 
I bet these same crack medical professionals would stop any and all unauthorized food from coming in too. ROFLMAO!

Logic fail. Food =/= firearms. I'm pretty sure that the security staff and medical personnel are more worried about someone coming in with a firearm or knife and causing mayhem than they are about someone putting their roommate's eye out with a contraband Snicker's bar.

I've had idiot hospital staff give a deputy escorted INMATE (in jail jump suits, chained to bed) personal clothes and/or items. *** are they thinking? Answer: they don't. They are sheep.

Did you ever think that there might have been more to that situation than you happened to see? Like, oh, I dunno..the guard instructing the staff member to give the individual their personal effects? Believe it or not, there are rational explanations for things like that. Inmates do wear non-prison-issue clothes to hearings and court dates too, ya know.

And honestly, I resent you calling hospital workers "sheep". My sister and many, many other extremely talented and dedicated individuals have spent their lives taking care of others. Sadly, this means that at times they're forced to deal with disrespectful blowhards, such as yourself. But they do it anyway, because they're invested in doing their best to help out.

In short, I respectfully ask that before you categorize an entire industry of hardworking and intelligent individuals as idiots, you attempt to gain a little perspective and realize that it might be YOU who isn't thinking logically.
 
First rocco... tell me what would be the problem with the hospital staff giving an inmate his clothing and belongings that the POLICE TRANSPORTED HIM IN/WITH?... also.. in the instance of a guarded inmate, nothing is done without the guard present and nothing without their knowledge of why. I dont know what you do for a living and really dont care, but I do take offense to your idiotic claim that hospital staff are sheep and idiots. I am an RN and many of the RNs and doctors I work with are very dedicated to their firearm ownership, to shooting, and to concealed carry. I pray you never have to deal with the sickness induced confusion in patients that i see on an almost nightly basis. If ever you do, I really hope they dont have a gun or you could find yourself choosing between shooting a loved one or bleeding out. Insult the nurses and other health care workers all you like, I hope you never have to wake up to see those "sheep" with your life in their hands.

Levels of ignorance never cease to amaze me.
 
I am an RN and many of the RNs and doctors I work with are very dedicated to their firearm ownership, to shooting, and to concealed carry. I pray you never have to deal with the sickness induced confusion in patients that i see on an almost nightly basis. If ever you do, I really hope they dont have a gun or you could find yourself choosing between shooting a loved one or bleeding out. Insult the nurses and other health care workers all you like, I hope you never have to wake up to see those "sheep" with your life in their hands.

Levels of ignorance never cease to amaze me.

i used to date a nurse, an LPN; i heard all the horror stories from her. seems to me that nurses, for all intents and purposes, run the hospitals. i wouldn't want your job, much like i'd never want to be a cop, EMT, or firefighter. my hat's off to you, and those like you.

i want to be clear that my post wasn't intended as a slam on nursing, or the medical profession; it was a slam of hospital policies, and the mindset of those who are supposed to provide security. i think that if any institution, public or private, insists on disarming people, they should provide reasonable safeguards and security to protect them. sometimes, it seems that people in supermax prisons are safer than those of us who respect the law.
 
Logic fail. Food =/= firearms.

And they are there to protect your health. That is why they have dieticians and strict diets for patients. :rolleyes: But I bet you ignore the "no outside food allowed" signs also.

Did you ever think that there might have been more to that situation than you happened to see? Like, oh, I dunno..the guard instructing the staff member to give the individual their personal effects? Believe it or not, there are rational explanations for things like that. Inmates do wear non-prison-issue clothes to hearings and court dates too, ya know.
First rocco... tell me what would be the problem with the hospital staff giving an inmate his clothing and belongings that the POLICE TRANSPORTED HIM IN/WITH?


No idiots. I was the deputy.

But I will continue to protect your co-worker and family member SHEEP who think a folder is a "danger" to someone lacking critical o2 sat....

Carry on with your hurt feelings though. Facts aren't what we are arguing here. Security IS LAX AT HOSPITALS.

Justin
 
And they are there to protect your health. That is why they have dieticians and strict diets for patients. But I bet you ignore the "no outside food allowed" signs also.

I've never seen such a sign at any of the hospitals I've been in.

No idiots. I was the deputy.

Then what was the problem? If he wasn't supposed to have his personal effects, all you had to say to the nurse was "he's not permitted to have those". And guess what, they would have taken them away again, or left them in your custody.

But I will continue to protect your co-worker and family member SHEEP who think a folder is a "danger" to someone lacking critical o2 sat....

Once again, I respectfully request that you stop referring to all healthcare professionals who work in hospitals as "sheep". It's both idiotic and short-sighted to lump an entire group of people in with ONE example of an overly-cautious nurse.

Carry on with your hurt feelings though.

No hurt feelings here.

Facts aren't what we are arguing here.

You're right. We're arguing about generalities that in no way represent an entire industry of people.

Well, not so much arguing as you're stating, and I'm refuting. But whatever.

Security IS LAX AT HOSPITALS.

Yes, it is. Still not sure why that fills you with the need to denigrate an entire industry of workers based on one example, however.
 
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