crestoncowboy
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ESPECIALLY in the age of cell phones.
Strategies and Tactics for Surviving Carjacking
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ESPECIALLY in the age of cell phones.
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Someone using a glove or other implement to break a side window. Just spitballing but it might not break on the first attempt. If I have been paying attention as I try to do, I should have seen a person approaching my vehicle or loitering in the area. Of course, no guarantees.
The front right seat is very bad, too.
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A coworker has a son that had someone jump in his passenger seat proceeded to point a gun at him and tell him to drive off. The kid noticed the other guy had buddies in a car behind him. So he drove as he was told and at a 4 way stop was able to put some distance between them, then he drove head on into a 18 wheeler parked on the side of the road. He then pops off his seat belt and ran in the woods. The thugs buddies picked him (the thug) up and drove off.
While I certainly wouldn’t recommend his method, it does go to show how drastic measures can be taken when other options have been exhausted. It was, imo, better than driving to wherever he was being told to go.
And fwiw, I think the car he was in was almost most 20 years old.
Me, I have insurance and if someone with a gun asks for my vehicle they can have it, However I am not driving off with an armed man, at least I’ll get shot in front of witnesses who can call 911. I’ll watch the OP’s video when I can. I’m sure it’s better than any plan/idea I have now, because that really doesn’t exist if I’m being honest.
While I certainly wouldn’t recommend his method, it does go to show how drastic measures can be taken when other options have been exhausted. It was, imo, better than driving to wherever he was being told to go.
And fwiw, I think the car he was in was almost most 20 years old.
Me, I have insurance and if someone with a gun asks for my vehicle they can have it, However I am not driving off with an armed man, at least I’ll get shot in front of witnesses who can call 911. I’ll watch the OP’s video when I can. I’m sure it’s better than any plan/idea I have now, because that really doesn’t exist if I’m being honest.
I know most of that and more , but many people really appreciate the video.
And then what do you do?
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crestoncowboy
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I suppose. But if you manage to get into your car without noticing that someone is in the passenger seat then you really need to wake up. Lol. You almost deserve to get jacked
Well, you won't.
But think.
What happens (and this is not conjecture) is a sudden entry while the car is stopped and the door is open to let a passenger in or out.
Prevention, of course, is the best alternative.
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In case of being forced to drive, one should have a kill switch (beats running into a parked semi) in a convenient spot that can be triggered unnoticed. It should have a delay so the perp does not connect that you reached on the side of the seat and then the car died.
Last resort--don't want to further enrage someone who intends the worst for you.
You may end up walking with them, or dead on site.
Usually, their purpose is
- To take you to an ATM, or to blackmail another family member into doing so, or
- To take the car.
Better to bail out and run, as indicated in the video.
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The scenario was a guy hidden in the back seat. Lol. You can't mitigate every possible scenario. If I want in your car then I'm getting it. A whole generation of grand theft auto fans have trained for years in it. If the bad guy is just that evil then he shoots you through the window and drives off.
I'm all for being prepared. I have a backup backup generator for when (if) my backup standby generator fails. I have multiples of all my favorite guns for when (if) one wears out. But I won't sit and worry about every scenario .
If the guy wants the car then leave it running and run. If he wants to kill you or go back to the atm or kill you for fun then thats a poor option. How will you know which he is?
I always look at like this, if I were the bad guy, what would I do. And in the case of taking the car and willing to kill....short of bullet proofing the car then your not going to get away from me if I were evil.
Now as far as the original scenario then absolutely you should check your seats and such. Most vehicles now have ways to tell if anything happened while you were away. My F150 tells you via app if any sensor was triggered. Proximity or shock. I can't imagine that a feature on a work truck hasn't been in nice vehicles for 20 years. My old mustang i DD beeps twice when you unlock if anything has changed. We also have auto locking doors now either when you go into park or over a certain speed (I disable it). So we are ahead of the curve from where we were 20 or 40 years ago. And even then it wasn't much of an issue.
And as I said I know that a shot through the seat is viable as well. Case by case of course . Nowdays with heated and cooled massaging seats.... you may well not even have that option with a handgun. Some also have a metal or polymer backer that might stop a bullet. But if your getting choked out then why not try it. Lol. The Bastard will be deaf and stunned at least if that's any consolation.
Having kids in the cars back seat is another scenario. One could always try to run if alone. Otherwise shooting is about it. Even if you leave the keys in the switch and run then shoot them through the window when the are trying to start it up.
Id imagine the chance of any of it happening is as likely as getting struck by lighting or winning the lottery....I'm not worrying about any of the three.
You have to make a choice and there is little chance of it working if the bad guy is very good at it. The choice that works once might not the next 50 time. I played basketball and powerlifted competitively for 20 years, most people are fat and slow. My jerking the door open and running is different than some. I have physical options that many don't. So it's largely case by case too. I might try to run and twist an ankle getting out too. Lol.
No doubt. I can't think of much worse option than making the perp mad by the very car your riding in all of a sudden magically dying
HOWEVER you might not need a switch if that's your decision after the ooda loop. Lol. Most if not all cars have a flood mode for when (if) you flood them. Hold the throttle wide open while cranking and the injectors cut fuel. Some completely some to 1/2 . It will likely fire and then die. As long as you hold the throttle.
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If they want me to go to an ATM I am in trouble because I have not had an ATM card in 10 years and when I did have one, I only took it with me when I was going to get money out, and then only went to ATMs in secure locations. They probably will shoot me for not having an ATM card.
As I just told my son (after seeing an article about a tow truck driver ambushed in Detroit who shot the perp), best to stay out of the city. Not always possible. My job is in the city but thankfully they are only requiring I come into the office one day a week. I park close and walk fast.
I see people running red lights in Detroit for what appears to be convenience, but maybe they are wise, not scofflaws, in that the less time spent sitting in your car, the less likely to be jacked.
What scenario? This is about surviving a carjacking.
Don't kid yourself.
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The one you posted
The odds of being struck by lightning each year are 1 in a million. 1 in 15k in your life. And that's REPORTED. I know a couple people hit by lightning who didn't report it.
Far higher than being carjacked in America. I don't need to kid anyone. DoJ lists 49k car jacking a year (with 300 million cars) 93 percent are in the same cities. And only 70 percent are armed which would include a bat or stick too. So out of those cities there is very very little chance. Far less than being hit by lightning.
Plus a few of those "car jackings" (taking off in a car "left running" are people who ran from the law and then reported the car stolen.....
I may or may not have know that to happen too
And again, I'm all for being prepared for everything. Never hurt a thing to be prepared.
An intentional crash in a busy intersection or hitting an le car might work as a last chance effort. Especially if the criminal isn't buckled up. Crash and run.
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You focused on that, ignoring the video?
Fewer than 100 people are stuck by lightning in this country. This year, Chicago and Philadelphia alone are on tack for around 4000 carjackings. between them this year.
That's theft. Cerjacking is an unofficial term, but it is generally defined as involving force or threat of force upon a person--robbery.
My doctor's wife witnessed four in four weeks in the same parking lot. One of those involved a kidnapping and the taking of all of the victim's bank accounts, but she was released unharmed.
A couple of the armed robberies involving shootings in St Charles, MO--not a major city--that have been discussed on THR recently were done by persons who had just carjacked people to get the cars they used.
Yep.
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By definition its theft if you didn't know. Jacking if you witnessed it/ had fear. Force isn't necessary. Either way not every city is seeing a rise. It's actually down in Atlanta (my closest "real city" ) while break ins are up.
Doesn't matter. It's case by case. 49k jackings a year and 93 percent are in cities. There are far bigger threats to this country bumpkin.
You all can have this one
What is?
Yes--intimidation,--threat of force.
Not surprising, since almost 85% of the population lives in cities.
Fine, but in terms of crimes against persons, it has become one of the most rapidly increasing crimes.
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This..... .
It's theft if you didn't know it was happening. If your present in the vicinity then it can and often will be jacking. In many states its an official term.
If you think you have permission to use a car (like your parents) and you drive off it in the presence of the owner....it can be charged as jacking.
NO! Knowledge is not the discriminator. One can see or hear a person taking his car or its catalytic converter, but unless one is threatened with harm, it is theft, against which one may not lawfully employ or threaten deadly force, except in Texas under very limited circumstances.
Theft is a property crime; it involves taking property without the oner's consent. Carjacking is robbery, a crime against persons; it involves taking property from a person.. the penalty for tha latter is almost always much more severe.
In a at least one jurisdiction, but not in most, taking a handbag or garment that has been put down by its owner can be treated as robbery.
Can you cite a legal reference for that?
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You can get targeted @ a destination or when entering the vehicle. If the perp runs up beheind you before you can close the door, there isnt much left to do.
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I had that same thought. Mabey a feul shutoff. They go a short way with your car & it dies.
Not a bad idea, but it assumes that you have survived.
It should be considered for GTA, also.
Really?
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In this strange world we live in, the perp might not only wind up suing you for damages, he may also win and collect.
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Not to mention if someone else gets harmed either in the accident or by the criminal, then you have contributed to injury/death of an otherwise uninvolved individual.
I don’t know what would happen but I could certainly see negative consequences, not to mention problems sleeping at night.
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