Strategies and Tactics for Surviving Carjacking

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An intentional crash in a busy intersection or hitting an le car might work as a last chance effort. Especially if the criminal isn't buckled up. Crash and run.
One might wonder if their insurance company will pay the damages to other's property from an intentional crash. I doubt it. Also if others are injured in that intentional crash, it could be very costly. However, if one might save their life by such, well it is a decision that must be made and made in a hurry.

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If you are retreating & they block you, what options are there?
The post was "if the perp runs up behind you before you can close the door". There's not enough there for me to understand the options.
 
The post was "if the perp runs up behind you before you can close the door". There's not enough there for me to understand the options.
If you are trying to escape & they block your retreat, are you a prisoner? Im not able to run due to a leg injury. Is that fulfilment of duty to retreat?
 
Can you cite a legal reference for that?

One of my employees is doing 90 days for driving off in his dad's truck (which he had fixed and felt entitled to). The lawyer representing him told us several states have seperate car jacking laws. He had a chart on it. Some require a weapon. Many have two carjacking charges, one armed and one not. Probably 1/3 of the states actually specify car jacking as a charge. Most require no weapon. A threat is sufficient in majority but At least one is stealing the car in the presence of the owner. At least one specified the owner had to be inside the vehicle.
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Google carjacking charges by state and you can find the chart that i posted.

It's state by state. Some it was mandatory years time too. What got my dumb employee was that his dad was present. Made it a car jacking charge. If not plead down it would have been a bigger sentence. He was lucky to get 90 days.

One might wonder if their insurance company will pay the damages to other's property from an intentional crash. I doubt it. Also if others are injured in that intentional crash, it could be very costly. However, if one might save their life by such, well it is a decision that must be made and made in a hurry.

So no, I can't really cite a good solid case but it can be confusing by state. To make matters worse my guy drove the vehicle 60 or so miles, unfortunately that was through three different states. Lol

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Most people would hit a pole or something..... not hit a human or another car. I should have specified that I suppose.
 
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It may not be your call, you may be unresponsive… or worse.

I like my truck, but no way I’m putting my life in danger for it.
With respect, the victem didnt put there life in danger. The perp did. It is unreasonable to hold the victem accountable for a surprised reaction. When we post things like "just surrender & let them have it" the enemy reads this too. They get even more bold if they think you will run away.
 
One of my employees is doing 90 days for driving off in his dad's truck (which he had fixed and felt entitled to). The lawyer representing him told us several states have seperate car jacking laws. He had a chart on it.
/your employee committed a crime distinctly sifferent from carjacking.

This is from SC Code as reference in the chart: A person is guilty of the felony of carjacking who takes, or attempts to take, a motor vehicle from another person by force and violence or by intimidation while the person is operating the vehicle or while the person is in the vehicle.

Driving off with a vehicle without the permission of the owner is something else entirely.

What got my dumb employee was that his dad was present. Made it a car jacking charge
That is absurd.
 
your employee committed a crime distinctly sifferent from carjacking.

My employee was CHARGED WITH CARJACKING because in the state he was in, presence made it carjacking.

You reference one state. Each is different.
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Stealing a vehicle by force or threat or force.

In another "forcibly stealing a car when a person is present". Not occupied. Present. Another few states do say while occupied

Makes no difference. But the definition of carjacking changes by state. And it's not "an unofficial term". It's legal statute.

One I'm not terribly concerned with, given the current state of things.

Pay attention to your surroundings and you'll likely be fine. further discussion of the law is pointless. One can research their own states laws
 
I am not surrendering my car or truck to anyone. There is no way.
Apparently you learned nothing from the video. Let's try thi: buy and read The Law of Self Defense by Attorney Andrew Branca.

The value of your car or truck is much lower than the likely cost of a legal defense of self defense, even if you prevail, and if you do not, you will forfeit not only the vehic e but also your clean record, your personal freedom , and for a lifetime ,your gun run rights.
 
It is unreasonable to hold the victem accountable for a surprised reaction.

Perfectly reasonable, but there is a time and a place…I suppose it’s the where and when we disagree on.
And to be fair, your method would likely be a more affective deterrent. My method is more likely to keep me alive and uninjured, which is easily my biggest concern.
 
Apparently you learned nothing from the video. Let's try thi: buy and read The Law of Self Defense by Attorney Andrew Branca.

The value of your car or truck is much lower than the likely cost of a legal defense of self defense, even if you prevail, and if you do not, you will forfeit not only the vehic e but also your clean record, your personal freedom , and for a lifetime ,your gun run rights.
If that is true, 2A is a myth.
We all know that carjacking has become very prevalent in the last few years.

Many people here first think about how to use a firearm in the event of a carjacking. We see a number of Youtube videos showing victims fighting off carjackers with their guns. Those, of course, show defenses that were successful. They don't all end that way.

I wonder how many people have engaged in FoF exercises involving carjacking scenarios, and what they have learned.

Massad Ayoob related an exercise at the National Tactical Shooting Invitational. The scenario involved a man going to his car, in which a a perp was well concealed in the back seat. As I recall, one participant survived the encounter. He suspected that the man was in the car and took care of things without getting in. If anyone remembers this better, shoot.

The following link goes to an excellent piece on the subject. I recommend watching it at least twice, and sharing and discussing it with family members.



Defensive firearms are not mentioned at all. First, the number of potential victims who carry all the time and who are well trained for such scenarios is very small indeed--probably less than one in forty.. Second, trying to bring a firearm to bear is very often not a good idea at all.

When might going for the gun be indicated? Well, if the perp has made it into the car with you, you have not bailed out, and he tells you to drive, things are unlikely to end well. The risk of resisting with a weapon may be worth taking. Do it covertly, with a weapon and arm that are not on his side of you.

Better to jump out and run first, if you can.

That is nonsense. Give up??? What country is this?? So you surrender to them & then they go to your home & get your family. ***!!! you must be kidding.
 
f that is true, 2A is a myth
It is oviouly tue. Compare the cost of a defense with the value of your truck.

And 2A ha absolutelyy nothing to do with use of force law.

That is nonsense. Give up??? What country is this?? So you surrender to them & then they go to your home & get your family. ***!!! you must be kidding.
Why would a crook taking my car have such a result?

There are all kinds of people who might endanger my family, and I much prefer to be at home and retain my gun rights.
 
It is oviouly tue. Compare the cost of a defense with the value of your truck.

And 2A ha absolutelyy nothing to do with use of force law.

Why would a crook taking my car have such a result?

There are all kinds of people who might endanger my family, and I much prefer to be at home and retain my gun rights.
So the Brinks truck guys, they just carry guns for a show? They cannot actually use them to protect property? Stupid me!! I thought i had to work for a living!!
 
If that is true, 2A is a myth.

The legal system is what it is and it has nothing to do with the 2d Amendment. Real life isn’t like a western movie. No one is going to say, “I saw the whole thing sheriff, it was self defense.” And everyone bellies up the bar for a drink.

In the real world there will be an investigation to determine if any laws were violated. Claims of self defense are an affirmative defense. That means you admit you committed a crime (shooting someone) but you were legally justified in doing so.

You will be asked to give a statement beyond your original statement at the time of the altercation. You will want counsel when you do that. Lawyers, especially lawyers who specialize in self defense law aren’t free. If there is anything questionable in your case your defense can easily run into 6 figures.

So the Brinks truck guys, they just carry guns for a show? They cannot actually use them to protect property?

Exactly! Their weapons are for show and to defend themselves from an attack. All armed security is that way.
 
It is oviouly tue. Compare the cost of a defense with the value of your truck.

And 2A ha absolutelyy nothing to do with use of force law.

Why would a crook taking my car have such a result?

There are all kinds of people who might endanger my family, and I much prefer to be at home and retain my gun rights.
The legal system is what it is and it has nothing to do with the 2d Amendment. Real life isn’t like a western movie. No one is going to say, “I saw the whole thing sheriff, it was self defense.” And everyone bellies up the bar for a drink.

In the real world there will be an investigation to determine if any laws were violated. Claims of self defense are an affirmative defense. That means you admit you committed a crime (shooting someone) but you were legally justified in doing so.

You will be asked to give a statement beyond your original statement at the time of the altercation. You will want counsel when you do that. Lawyers, especially lawyers who specialize in self defense law aren’t free. If there is anything questionable in your case your defense can easily run into 6 figures.



Exactly! Their weapons are for show and to defend themselves from an attack. All armed security is that way.
Dosent sound very secure to me.
 
Dosent sound very secure to me.
I suggest you start lobbying your state legislature to get the law changed to allow the use of deadly force to protect property. Let us know when you’re successful. In the meantime, the laws are what they are and we have to live with them.

We don’t waste electrons debating what the law should be here. We discuss what the law is.
 
I suggest you start lobbying your state legislature to get the law changed to allow the use of deadly force to protect property. Let us know when you’re successful. In the meantime, the laws are what they are and we have to live with them.

We don’t waste electrons debating what the law should be here. We discuss what the law is.
I appreciate you being candid. I appologize for my reaction, am very disappointed to learn any street punk can just take what ever they want from someone that had to earn it.
 
My employee was CHARGED WITH CARJACKING because in the state he was in, presence made it carjacking.
The code secion that you cite is New York State law. The crime is robbery in the second degree. The presence of another person refers to a criminal accomplice.
 
I appologize for my reaction, am very disappointed to learn any street punk can just take what ever they want from someone that had to earn it.
The use of deadly force has been forbidden by law in every US jurisdiction save one, and it has been for a long, long time.

Best to know the law before arming oneself.

It does not mean that taking propery is not a crime.
 
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