Striker fired pistols

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Striker fired firearms are neither rare nor new. Most bolt action rifles are technically striker fired. Striker fired handguns tend to have lower bore axis. Sitting lower in the hand means the recoil has less leverage over the wrist so it recoils less. It is noticeable when you get used to shooting Glocks and then try to shoot a 1911 or a SIG. You push the pistol out and end up looking right at the back of the hammer about 1/2 inch below the rear sight because the hammer fired gun sits that much higher in the hand. Striker fired guns tend to adhere to the KISS philosophy and most achieve their superb reputations for reliability much the same way the Kalashnikov series assault rifles did. Brutally simple mechanisms and as few parts to break as possible. They are mass produced utilitarian tools for those who appreciate function over form. There is nothing on a Glock that you can't fix or replace yourself with a simple pin punch and a Ptooma manual or 10 minute Youtube video. No hand fitting. It's like Legos for adults. They also tend to have consistent triggers with short resets. You'll never mistake a Glock trigger for a tuned 1911 trigger, but 6 pounds with a consistent pull and a short reset is perfectly workable for defensive applications. I prefer it over any of the DA/SA pistols simply because two distinctly different trigger pulls on the same handgun is clown shoes. Some do have manual safeties but most don't. I believe FN, S&W, Ruger, and possibly even the XD have versions available with external safeties. I say that if you are uncomfortable carrying a handgun without a manual safety, you may be relying on the safety too much.
Combine these advantages with the advantages with the advantages in weight and capacity, as well as grip modularity and temperature neutrality of the polymer frames that accompany most striker fired pistols, and it is easy to see why striker fired pistols are rapidly eclipsing hammer fired pistols. Glock may not have been the first striker fired pistol or the first polymer framed pistol but they were the first to achieve acceptance in the market place and they are now the pistol by which all others are judged. When even Larry Vickers and others with a lot of experience with the 1911 are admitting they primarily carry polymer framed striker fired pistols like the M&P and Glock, and that their extensive and enviable collections of 1911 mostly occupy the safe, you might want to consider that bandwagon.
 
Texas Patriot,

I'd encourage you to get a polymer gun for no other reason than that they have common guns for the last 20 plus years and aren't fading away. You can get them with external safeties if you care to. But learning more about them and their characteristics is a good enough reason to get one, in whatever flavor strikes your fancy. Provided that you keep your fancy in a convenient place where it can be struck. :)

For an individual it won't make much, if any difference, in defending yourself, whether the piece is polymer, aluminum, or steel framed. Whether it has an external hammer, internal hammer, or a striker. It won't make much of any difference in competitive shooting either, or most other purposes to which people put handguns (except bullseye shooting and handgun hunting at longer ranges). In most all of this it's the shooter and not the gun that makes the difference. The rest is a matter of training and personal preference.

It is however, an advantage to many to get a good working gun at a good price.

Polymer framed pistols with strikers have a very large place in the handgun world today. IMHO this is not because they are inherently superior tools for the job but because the lower cost of production of these guns revolutionized the market for handguns and production methods. But so did the AR. Glock was possible because the AR blazed a path.

So if you are interested in them get one. HK, CZ, S&W, Walther, Springfield, Ruger, and others all have polymer framed striker fired guns in their line ups. Many choices...which is a good thing.

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I don't care for the striker fire triggers and I feel this type of action to be the most prone to a accidental discharge.
I prefer DAO or DA/SA semi-autos. Just my 2 cents on the matter.
I carry a S&W 36, or a Makarov PM or a 9x19 XDS go figure.
 
Striker fired handguns with no safety in the hands of a poorly trained or disciplined user are an accident waiting to happen. Handguns which require the trigger to be pulled to remove the slide are also a Very Bad Idea in a world of careless users.
 
Sharp knives and lawn mowers are accidents waiting to happen if used by those who are untrained or careless.
The same as a short, light single action trigger once the safety is off.
 
Negligent discharge is the more accurate term. ND's are not caused by the type of gun, they are caused by negligence.
If a person cannot safely handle a striker fired handgun they should do us all a favor and stop handling all firearms.
 
I prefer revolvers. After that I like good old-fashioned steel autopistols. One advantage that they have that I don't think anyone has mentioned is that you can cock the hammer first to make racking the slide easier. I prefer hammers for various reasons. One is that I can just glance down and tell whether or not it's cocked. Those are my preferences for the shooting range, plinking, and HD.

That being said, I finally did buy a Glock and I do like it. For CCW I want something that's snagproof and has no safety. I just want draw, aim, squeeze, bang, no safety to worry about. I probably still like my hammerless or shrouded revolvers better, but my little Glock 43 is easy to carry and I shoot it better than I expected to.
 
Striker fired handguns with no safety in the hands of a poorly trained or disciplined user are an accident waiting to happen.

What is special about striker fired handguns of that type? Why is the hammer fired SCCY CPX-2, or a S&W revolver from the past 120 years, not an issue for you but a striker gun that behaves similarly is?

Handguns which require the trigger to be pulled to remove the slide are also a Very Bad Idea in a world of careless users.

Can you point to any statistics that demonstrate this to cause a higher rate of negative outcomes?

I think people have a tendency to associate "things requiring special attention" with "things that often go wrong". They see big warnings, frequently repeated, because the potential consequences of failure are legitimately high, but they then assume from the urgency of the message that the problem must be common.
 
I have both striker and hammer fired guns. My hammer fired guns are the Walther PPX and H&K P-30. Both the walther and h&k have a "pre-cocked" trigger system. When you rack the slide, the hammer is partially cocked, providing a light, smooth trigger pull. I really like the trigger on both these guns and the hammer rest's inside the frame.

I actually like this system better than the striker system. My Ruger 9-E and SR40-C have really nice triggers on a striker system.
 
I have become all in on striker pistols. This is from a Garand, M1A, 1911 guy. They are inexpensive, simple to operate, simple to breakdown and clean, light,acurate and reliable. What more do you want from a handgun.
 
I don't mind striker fired pistols, two of my favorite carry guns are strikers, but all my favorite range guns have hammers. Those....those are the guns I want and love to shoot.

Bad news is I can only dream of a single stack RAMI, good news is there's a striker fired CZ on it's way.

Hopefully I'll never own another glock...
 
I do my best not to jump on any one bandwagon regarding types of firearm actions. Instead, I try to see the merits of all of them and then decide if a particular gun works well for me.

I've come to the conclusion that I really like wheel guns. If you were to ask me to pick out a single handgun to carry for the rest of my days, a simple .357 revolver would be my pick. That said, there are times when firepower (much more of it) is a prudent decision.

I've figured out that I like thumb safeties...if they almost naturally fall to "off" when I grip the pistol correctly. Little bitty tab safeties that are generally found on striker-fired guns now bother me. A 1911 paddle makes sense. My thumb naturally sweeps it off when I draw and aim. I prefer my striker-fired guns to have no external safety.

However, I do not like guns with light triggers. If I shot competition, sure, maybe. For SD and carry, no thank you. A Glock 5.5lb is as light as I want to go. Going back to my preference to revolvers, I actually like the heavier trigger springs like the NY-1 and NY-2. Some find the 12lb too much, but I really feel like a 15 shot revolver to me. I've dabbled with both in my Glocks.

Striker-fired guns are here to stay. They simplify the action and decrease the cost of manufacture. If one doesn't care for them, I totally can appreciate that. They aren't for everyone. However, if you look hard enough and try enough of them out, I bet some major manufacturer makes a model that you'll like.
 
well I for one see only cons when looking at the remington RP series, they have a lot of issues and I would never own one of my own free will. I do own a Canik TP9SF which is a striker gun with no safety. there is really no pro for me, I learned early on to disengage the safety during a draw, no safety just means I lock my thumb when drawing. personally I feel just as safe when carrying a Safetyless model as a manual safety model. if other people want to get bent out of shape over not being able to disengage their safety when they need to or with having a negligent discharge because their trigger is on the trigger when it shouldn't be, that's on them. I for one take responsibility for my own actions and train with my carry guns.
 
I have a Glock 17 which is my HD gun. I will be using it at a training class next month. I feel comfortable when holstering the gun. My EDC gun is a S&W shield without a safety. I have forgotten to flip off the safety on my shotgun while bird hunting for "partridge" (ruffed grouse) and that is definitely not a high stress situation.
 
Interesting how in 2017 topics like this still come up. The pros are, they are extremely reliable and durable, relatively low maintenance, simple in design and use, and less expensive than other handguns. As for a thumb safety, many people have no use for them, but I think this really goes without saying considering the millions and millions in use worldwide.
 
Striker fired handguns with no safety in the hands of a poorly trained or disciplined user are an accident waiting to happen. Handguns which require the trigger to be pulled to remove the slide are also a Very Bad Idea in a world of careless users.

Can you cite statistics that show striker fired handguns are more dangerous in untrained hands than DA/SA or SAO with safety?
 
Firearms in the hands of poor trained or undisciplined users are accidents waiting to happen. So are any number of other equally useful or fun tools.

By your logic we should all eat with plastic sporks and wear velcro shoes because some people run with scissors and lick windows.
 
Can you cite statistics that show striker fired handguns are more dangerous in untrained hands than DA/SA or SAO with safety?

Use Google, it's free...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police4page3.htm
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-owens-glock-accidents-20150508-story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/31/n...ns-into-fierce-opposition.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/729088/posts
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2015/06/14/police-officer-negligent-discharges/

Not trying to beat an already over-dead horse, but if we leave religious feelings aside, it does not take a PhD to figure out that a handgun with no external safety AND a light trigger pull may be more conducive to unwanted activation.

Truth of the matter is, a large portion of the people who carry a handgun for duty (or self-defense) are not really interested in guns, and do not have the dedication to become fully proficient with their sidearm. Add human imperfection to that, and Mr. Murphy, and here you are...
 
In addition to the uptick in accidental discharges that a number of law enforcement agencies experienced after transitioning from DA/SA pistols to striker-fired pistols due to the lighter and shorter first shot trigger pull. there have been a significant number of fatal accidental discharges that occurred when police officers (who presumably have some degree of training) field stripped Glocks as a result of the necessity to pull the trigger.

Sure it is easy to say that these events should never occur, but the fact is they have.
 
I go back to 1964 Parris Island with the 1911A1 familiarization firing, the Viet-Nam experience and managed to qualify expert. Thru the decades with SA/SA-DA&DAO pistols with out self inflicting a wound upon my person. Thus as I've stumbled along thru life and the advent of striker fired pistols have not been problematic either. If your are hesitant about the manual of arms with a striker fired pistol do not acquire one there are other choices. Personally I've not experienced a problem with Glock and S&W MP series. They're weapons treat them as such.
 
Use Google, it's free...

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-srv/local/longterm/dcpolice/deadlyforce/police4page3.htm
http://www.latimes.com/local/california/la-me-sheriff-guns-20150614-story.html
http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-ed/la-oe-owens-glock-accidents-20150508-story.html
http://www.nytimes.com/1992/05/31/n...ns-into-fierce-opposition.html?pagewanted=all
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/729088/posts
http://www.captainsjournal.com/2015/06/14/police-officer-negligent-discharges/

Not trying to beat an already over-dead horse, but if we leave religious feelings aside, it does not take a PhD to figure out that a handgun with no external safety AND a light trigger pull may be more conducive to unwanted activation.

Truth of the matter is, a large portion of the people who carry a handgun for duty (or self-defense) are not really interested in guns, and do not have the dedication to become fully proficient with their sidearm. Add human imperfection to that, and Mr. Murphy, and here you are...

Fortunately the New York Times, LA Times and Washington Post don't get to determine what firearms I chose to own.
 
Fortunately the New York Times, LA Times and Washington Post don't get to determine what firearms I chose to own.

The point is not who mentions what facts, the point is: did several PD across the country experience a sharp rise in ADs after switching to striker fired pistols?

This is either true, or false. You liking the messenger or not is irrelevant.

If it is not true that several PD had (or have) additional issues with ADs after switching to striker fired pistols, kindly show that the facts and figures put forth are fabrications...
 
The point is not who mentions what facts, the point is: did several PD across the country experience a sharp rise in ADs after switching to striker fired pistols?

This is either true, or false. You liking the messenger or not is irrelevant.

If it is not true that several PD had (or have) additional issues with ADs after switching to striker fired pistols, kindly show that the facts and figures put forth are fabrications...

The facts are that ADs are almost always more accurately called NDs.
NDs are not caused buy a firearm, they are caused by the users negligence.
Take group of people that have been using "product X" for a long time and switch them to "product Y". There will be some problems.
There are enough different types of handguns for us all to find what we like and not have to purchase the ones we are not comfortable with.
The NYT, LAT, WP etc. perpetually scour the earth for any "news" that is in any way anti gun.
Supporters of the 2nd amendment cannot afford to be split over the "safety" of the guns we choose.
 
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The point is not who mentions what facts, the point is: did several PD across the country experience a sharp rise in ADs after switching to striker fired pistols?

This is either true, or false. You liking the messenger or not is irrelevant.

If it is not true that several PD had (or have) additional issues with ADs after switching to striker fired pistols, kindly show that the facts and figures put forth are fabrications...
Mostly ND's not AD's and yes that number definitely spiked during the transition. In my opinion you and those sources are blaming the gun instead of the people with the POOR gun handling practices. I mean pulling the trigger on a live round in the chamber is not the striker systems fault, that blame is solely placed on the shoulders of the incompetent users whether that be police officers or civilians. There is absolutely nothing wrong with the striker fired system, I've disassembled glocks, ppq's, and m&p's probably 1000 times and never had a ND because I always make sure the gun is empty and chamber is clear before striking it out. Only a fool pulls the trigger of a gun without verifying its unloaded first for disassembly. Murphy's law seems to strike more often with improperly trained and undisciplined individuals.
 
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