Stupid Unemployed Project #644... Homemade Naginata

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Arcli9ht

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With more time on my hands than I know what to do with, a few days ago, I started building a naginata... you know, to kill watermelons with and stuff. I wanted to show my progess to friends, so I made up a tiny web page about it to show them, and I figure it might be appreciated here:

http://www.phido.org/forge/

I knew next to nothing about metalurgy or sword construction before embarking on this doomed project, so basically, this is sword construction through the eyes of a newbie.

Check back with it, because I should be updating it every day, or every other day until the project is done. I figure I have at least three more days left to the project.

/Arcli9ht
 
My compliments, you've already come further than most anyone that posts here or the knife forums will ever come.

You will need to heat treat the blade to get it to hold an edge. If you want information on this process you can post over at blade or knife forums in the custom makers area and you'll get tons of responses from makers of every type.
 
Blade looks nice. I've been wanting a naginata for some years, now. What kind of haft will you be using?

John
 
The haft is 6 feet of 1 1/2 inch wood of some kind... :p its probably pine, but my selection was very limited at a rather poorly run home depot, so I couldnt have bought hardwood even if I had wanted to.

Oh, I forgot to mention this on the page, I started this project because I've always wanted a naginata, but the going price of 600 something dollars was a little steep.

Total cost of this project:

$25 - Materials
$15 - Forge
$4 - grinding wheels
$8 - files

Hours: 10 hours or so.
Running total: $52

So far, I'm way ahead.

/Arcli9ht
 
I'm impressed. Good luck to you.

When I was 15 I made my own "naginata" by taking a $8 machete and a $12 replacement rake handle and combining them. All I did was remove the plastic grips from the machete and jam the tang down the handle haft. It was actually pretty damn solid and had good balance, but as soon as my dad saw it he made me take it apart.

I was pretty surprised because my dad was usually the one to pay for my martial arts weapons and supported my training. I guess the naginata was just too much.
 
Ya know, I thought I'd come up with some pretty cool ways to waste time in the past, but that just flat leaves me in the dust.

Good luck with your cool project!

PS: Be careful, though, you may put fact "A" ("With more time on my hands than I know what to do with") and fact "B" ("I've always wanted a naginata, but the going price of 600 something dollars was a little steep.") together and accidentally wind up with a, you know, job-type thing. ;)
 
Why when I was your age we were working at nine, making fifty half-pennys a day....


*ahem*, excuse me. I was channeling my grand-father there for a minute. ;) An interesting project but you, unfortunately, can't top off the guy who is building his own jet engine with this. Try harder nex time. :D
 
Arcli9ht, cool project.

Two things.

1.) Go back to Home Despot and take a look through the Stairway parts section, they should have long pieces of Solid Oak Handrail, which'll be 1-1/2" or so and oughta be truckloads stiffer'n stronger than pine closet pole stock. But it'll COST a bunch, like dollars/foot. If you're lucky, they might have other material available like cherry or poplar, which aren't any stronger than the oak, but they might cost less. Alternatively, you could also check at a lumber yard and see what they've got on hand. Look in the phone book under "lumber", "Hardwoods" , and "stairs". You might find someone who has something better to offer. A few phone calls are easy to make.

Still another thought is a replacement handle for a shovel, rake, mattock or some other such Weapon of Plant Destruction. These are made of Ash or Hickory, both EXCELLENT, very tough choices for haft wood. Big hardware stores usually got 'em, (I know OSH does. Dunno 'bout the Despot.) they usually run well under $20, (Osh had some for about $7 IIRC.) and they come in a variety of sizes/configurations.

Of course, if you have some woorworking stuff around, you could consider making a thick square bar into something round, but that's MUCHO elbow grease and might require more than casual woodworking ability. Just a thought.

OK, enough about wood.

2.) Unfortunately, that el-cheapo barstock is mild steel. It WON'T heat-treat to any significant degree. It has almost no carbon content, and it simply will not get hard or springy. It won't hold an edge very well either. That's why it's cheap. Don't chop anything really solid with your blade, or it'll bend!

if you want to try your hand at real steel, one of the cheapest sources is an automotive junkyard. Either a big leaf spring, or a fat swaybar off of a big car like a seventies gas-guzzler or a station weapon would work fine, but that once again entails MUCHO elbow grease, as there's some major re-shaping to be done, not casually attempted without an anvil! Leaf springs at least start out flat, but they're usually fatter than 1/4", which would make for a huge slab of steel to deal with.

Grinding spring steel is a bunch harder, too. It's usually 01 steel, which is great choice, but it's virtue of toughness can be a vice of resistance to casual forming. I dunno, if you're happy with the mild steel, just ignore this bit. ;)

If you have a big, beefy-ish right-angle grinder, the easyest way to remove steel is by grinding with large diameter sanding discs that're backed with a rubber disc rather than grinding wheels. 60-grit can cut pretty fast, and you can slap new discs on pretty fast when they go dull. This beats filing by yards, and you don't bleed so much.

Grinding, both with wheels or discs, goes fastest when you apply enough pressure to feel the abrasive biting, but not so hard as to actually slow the grinder down AT ALL.

If you're stuck filing, you're in for some sweating. File secrets: 1.)DON'T run the file backwards. Pick it up on the back strock, or you dull the points quickly. 2.) Keep it clean. Either with a file card, or rub the file with a piece of chalk, or even a piece of wood, to keep the valleys from loading up. 3.) Try lifting the leading edge of the file just a hair as you run the stroke. This concentrates the pressure on fewer teeth at the back edge which lets 'em dig DEEPER into the soft steel. This leaves a rippled finish, but it hogs material off faster. a few strokes with the file held flat will flatten it right up as the hills are easy to knock flat.

I can go on and on. I used to be a machinist, and now I'm a cabinet/carpenter/stairbuilder, and also unemployed! I even have a couple of over-the-top knife projects in the works. (I got a line on super-cheap spring stock for blades. Too small for your naginata, though.) I even have a few ideas about firm blade mounting, if you need some asssistance. Feel free to consult.
 
AL,

1 1/2" is very thick. Since I'm fond of heavy manual weapons, I'll call that good. 6', on the other hand, is pretty short for a spear. (Unless you want a womanly spear: some schools eventually specialized in teaching women how to use the naginata to defend their homes, but I'm believing you want a battlefield weapon.)

John
 
What I have read is that a 17th century naginata's pole was typically between 4 and 7 feet in length, and considering the ceilings in my house, I decided to forgo the full 7 foot length and save a bunch in plaster and paint.

As for the width, I believe that naginatas were typically made to the size of the user, I have beastly hands, so the heavy pole works alright for me. Its going to have about 30" of 3/16" steel on the end, not including the weight from the rebar wire which I am wrapping the end with.

Anyone have any ideas for what to put on the other end of the pole? Traditionally there was a spike or pointed thing of some kind, but they dont exactly carry spear ends in home depot...

Thanks for all the feedback. :D

/Arcli9ht
 
That is really neat. I especially like the close up shots you have of your forge and the air feed pipe. I'm going to file that away for future reference.
 
Fun!!!

Making sharp pointy things is one of the manifest joys in my life. I've never attempted one this large, though...

Next step, get some good steel for the blade. An old Chevy leaf spring will do fine, and be cheap (usually 5160 steel, not O1, but the heat treat procedure is very similar.)

An anvil would probably do you well; sadly, anvils are expensive. Even a good used one will run $100+. Instead, while you're at the junkyard, look around for a piece of old railroad track. Strap or bolt a hunk of track to your sea wall and you'll have a perfect surface for beating metal on. With a bit of practice, you'll be able to thin the blade down to a nice fine edge (which cuts down on the finish filing you'll need to do.)

Nice work. Let us know how it goes...

- Chris
 
I havent had the chance to work on it in the past few days. My table saw is busted, so im looking for another way of cutting the haft.

Are leaf springs usually bent to begin with? Curved that is?

That railroad track idea seems right up my alley, I think I'll try it. My next expense, after the Bushy M4gery I am saving for now is an Oxy-acetelyne rig, some 150 beans at the depot, but it would be so useful in the long run. I like fire :evil:

I'll be going back tomorrow to look for an end cap for it, and then go to a neighbors house to use his table saw.

Thanks for all the input.

/Arcli9ht
 
Are leaf springs usually bent to begin with? Curved that is?

I'm thinking that if you beat on them enough, they'll be unbent. You were the one who said you had time on your hands. ;)
 
I've never had railroad track, but I have used a one foot long section of LARGE I-beam.

I've also used a bracket that held a stadium bleacher together.

Just any super thick, flat steel should do fine.

Neat project! I wonder if I could use an air compressor instead of a bellows?

I've been wanting to make a ninja type sword out of a leaf spring for a long time. You've inspired me :)
 
Just remember that a slight curve will cut much better than a straight blade...
 
I wonder if I could use an air compressor instead of a bellows?

Yes, at low pressure, but a hair drier works better. I use a 12 volt electric pump...got it with my kids big blow up type pool. hook it up to my battery charger. Any fan will do, a fan out of a swamp cooler, bathroom exhaust fan, etc.
 
You sir, are a dangerous person.

This sounds like the kind of project I would work on with a week off. If I lived next door to you, my wife would never let us play together due to her fear that we'd be planning a manned exploration of the moon with parts we found at the dollar store.

My wife says "You're doing WHAT?!" a lot more than most wives.
 
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