Survival gun.

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Growing up as I did, Mentors & Elders set me out on Property to make do for myself.

Single Shot .22 rifle worked great!
Legal to shoot Raccoons at night, with a light Shinin' if one used .22 shorts.
Still just a kid, down the way, and with a small kit, not much, fishing, shooting small game, using snares and no big deal if I "stole" eggs from hen house.

Cooked my share of eggs in a hub cap off a Willis Jeep.
Many a egg in the rind of a orange, or grapefruit, and bake biscuits on the side of rock...

Minimalists stuff.

My nine shot .22 Revolver, and
Ruger Standard Pistol of the day , worked just fine and dandy many times too.
Again, set a kid loose, and let him use what skill sets he had depending on his size.

They would keep tabs, and had spent time with me, still, no big deal for me be down the way, spend the night, with homemade shelter and all.

Most Important tool to me was knives, more than one, cord, fishing line, fire making stuff, and the like.
I get a bit bigger and the deal was to do this and not be noticed.

They got to blindfolding me, and dropping me off with two matches, small bar of Baker's chocolate, small box of raisins ,knife, compass, map, some cord and that was about it.
They *might* let me have a gun, (pistol) but I was NOT to use it if they did - except in an emergency and they did check the ammo count.

I would have to Adapt, Improvise , Overcome, even spend the night out.
IIRC the first time not a lot of time before dark,and had to stay the night and travel like 2 miles.
They upped it to 10 .

Order Of The Arrow, was not difficult for me at all.
They watched us get dressed, made sure we had nothing hidden in clothes or boots, put a hood over our head, and dumped us with very little gear, we did not get until dumped out.

I was the first one back.
 
Cosmo I see you bayonetting fish The LAST thing on my mind will be asking if you need to be rescued!
 
Well the beauty part is you can just leave them in place for cooking, Mosin style. Not that I've ever speared salmon myself. It's a no-no. But hey if you're starving what's violation of a game law?
 
New England Firearms makes just the rifle you guys are looking for. The call it the "Survivor" and it is chambered in .223 or .308, with the stock and forearm hollowed out from the factory for your survival gear. I own one in .308 and it is a great shooter. I have the stock filled with fishing gear, 1st aid, fire starter, etc. The forearm holds 6 additional rounds, but I don't like the rattleing it creates. This plus a small .22 in the pocket is my "survival gun".

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I had the opportunity to teach 5th-6th graders survival techniques for 4 years through a school program. They were instructed to bring :
1. A large garbage bag.
2. A piece of aluminum foil 12" X 12" (or so)
3. A tea bag.
4. A flavor package from top ramen (or such)
5. A handful of rice or noodles.
6. A birthday candle or stub of a candle.
7. A ziplock baggie

NOTE** a fire source would be provided.

As was taught to me in the bush community where I grew up " start a fire, keep it going, stay put except to find more firewood, we will find you!"

All of the above items fit in the ziplock baggie and fit in a pocket.
The kids were broke up into pairs or groups of three. They were instructed to stay with their group at all times, no exceptions. They were shown how to make raingear out of the garbage bag, then build a leanto structure. Then they were sent out to collect pitch and dry bark from the base of trees. They were encouraged to build their leanto near a source of firewood. After they collected a reasonable amount of fire wood they were shown how to make their leanto waterproof with their garbage bag/ raingear. Then the instructor came and gave them a Bic lighter ( with the stupid safety ring thing removed) the lighter was dipped in water (for realism) and they were told how to dry it and light it.(blow in the striker real hard and rub the striker down pants leg 'til it sparked, then use two hands, one to hold the plunger valve and one to roll the striker and light the birthday candle.) They used the pitch and dry bark for tinder and started it with the candle. They were sent to the creek for water (in the Ziplock) and instructed how to make a shallow pan out of tin foil. They boiled the water for about ten minutes and added either rice or noodles and flavor package. Alternately they added teabag. Instructor was called back for lunch. In the course they also learned some very common edibles from our region. The kids thought that it was the highlight of their week at "outdoor school". As the oldest are just now graduating from high school they often come up to me and remind me of the day that they"survived" being lost in the woods. The purpose of teaching them was to emphasize (especially at their age) the importance of staying put and focusing on improving their situation with what they have at hand. (old aluminum cans for cookware and eating utinsils, old plastic sheeting for shelter, etc.) and building a signal fire (also used to keep warm)
The kids always did this on the rainy day at camp ( because you never get lost on a sunny day, right) and really seemed to enjoy it.

I personally use a different method. I just take a pack of playing cards whenever I go in the woods. If I get lost (I guess it could happen) I just take out the playing cards and deal a hand of solitaire. Before long someone will be standing behind me telling me to put the black jack on the red queen.

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ps. Don't forget the graham crackers, marshmallows and chocolate bars.
 
I really like that NEF, but a survival gun should certainly have back-up iron sights. I wonder if anyone makes ones that would fit.
 
I'm kinda wondering why no one has mentioned any milsurps. (picking from my current collection) I would take my Yugo SKS. It's designed to be carried by a soldier with 50lbs more gear, so the mins for survival wouldn't be that much. It can (and has) take a beating, it has a hole in the stock for a cleaning kit, which can easily be emptied of cleaning gear and filled with some matches, fishing line, etc. I would put a few ammo pouches on the sling, along with 50ft of 550 cord. Its relatively accurate as far as a life and death situation goes, it doesn't require any maintenance that can't be done in the field.
Also, everyone seems to think that everything plus the kitchen sink has to fit in or on the rifle. Why not a small backpack that goes with the rifle?
I don't camp as much as I used to, but last time, my CCW pistol was on my belt the whole time and I had a rifle in the truck. A friend had another pistol and a 12ga in his truck. I love the outdoors, but I hate hiking so If I cant drive my truck into the campsite, I don't camp there. Between that and my Zombie plan (Key west...I think I'll start another thread) I'm pretty well set.
 
As mentioned earlier in the thread the Savage 24f would be pretty hard to beat, especially in 30/30, 12 gauge configuration. Hell that would be everything you needed to hunt period, from squirrels to black bear to people. I'm surprised they aren't more popular.
 
Many good ides here I always enjoy and learn from these threads.

My survival firearm used to be a .22/20 Savage camper special I foolishly sold to a friend years ago and have never been able to replace.

A nice kit was built to go with it with many items listed here and more than a few that are not, I still keep a kit to use when the need irises it goes with me along with whatever firearm best fits the terrain and perceived need.

Making the most of what one has goes a long way that and building up what you lack or might need makes the odds better or at least increases comfort and peace of mind.

Wasn't it Teddy Roosevelt who said make preparations in advance and you won't have a problem or something like it?
 
thinking of something to throw in a backpack while hiking & skiing for the occasional grouse/rabbit... how much does the current 10in 22lr contender g2 setup weigh...


-tsi
 
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