Survival gun.

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I was watching an episode of Survivorman a while back and Les had an old rifle that was his "survival gun". He had some fishing string/ hooks and matches stored in the buttstock. That idea got me thinking. So Im planning on putting together a survival gun, truck gun, grab it and go gun type of setup. Has anyone else ever done this, or thought about it? I have an old Sears bolt action .410 that I thought I might use. I go 4-wheelin, trail riding and exploring alot, so the gun will probably go through some rough treatment. If anyone has any tips, ideas, thought etc lets hear 'em. Thanks.
 
I have often felt that fishing gear is probably not that big of a deal as a survival issue. A lot of people seem to focus on it because it takes up so little space in a kit and has other uses, most of which are higher priority than fishing for food.

Wouldn't be all that hard to drill some holes in the butt stock to store some things in.
 
Well if you listen to Smith a 3" 629 is a survival gun.

Anyways I would think that a fire starting kit would be more important then a fishing kit, after all with a gun, in particular you 22 you can hunt yourself up convenient man sized meals.

I think that a 18" bolt action 22LR with a suppressor would be my survival gun. Build a small area in the stock to store spare ammo, and a small fire starting kit. And perhaps a small knife.
 
magnesium fire starter, a small leatherman and some spare ammo would be the first things I pack
 
I think that a 18" bolt action 22LR with a suppressor would be my survival gun. Build a small area in the stock to store spare ammo, and a small fire starting kit. And perhaps a small knife.
+1. I'd be more concerned about funky fish (considering what some lakes and streams look like) than a funky bird or squirrel.
 
Why not the best of both worlds?
http://www.savagearms.com/24f20.htm
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/springfield/M69201.asp
Shotgun and rifle o/u designs. I do belive the M6 also has storage in the butt for ammo.

As for survival gear, a rifle may be important but I'd want the following things as a minimum, and they won't fit in a rifle butt.
small multi tool
knife
magnesium firestarter
fishing line and a few small hooks (don't hate on it, it has a bazillion uses)
large ziploc bag
Large bandanna
and a compass.
You might try sliding an M1 magazine pouch onto the rifle's butt, and using a sling that holds spare shells.
http://www.keepshooting.com/firearmaccessories/magazines/m1-carbine-mag-pouch.htm



Interesting webarticle
http://www.oldjimbo.com/survival/v-shrake/m6.html
 
Glad this post came up. It reminded me that way back in the back of my safe was a Charter Arms AR-7 Explorer. It's a 22lr semi auto rifle that completely breaks down and is stored in the butt stock. I haven't shot it in years but remember it to be fairly accurate. Supposedly the stock is waterproof and the whole thing floats.It holds 8rnds if my memory is right. Gonna have to take it to the range with me next time out and do some plinking.:)
 
I always carry a pocket kit if I'm more than a mile or two from people. I'm clumsy enough to fall and break my leg so a fire/water/painkiller kit that'll keep me alive overnight is a good idea. :)

If I was adding one to a rifle, I'd put most of it on the sling or warpped around the stock. Most of that can be left even when using your rifle and anything bigger, like a poncho, can be shoved in your pocket.

My must-have items are:

5-10 waterproof, longburn matches (for wet, windy weather)
a ferro stick to use as a flint, one with a key attached
tinder, usually cotton balls packed into spare spaces
water purifier tablets
a couple of heavy duty condoms as water holders
some codiene tablets, tiny and good for pain & diarrhea
compass
little knife, like a small opinel

I usually as more, like thread, fishing kit, reflecting mirror etc. ~The painkiller, even simple ibuprofen, is something I consider vital. The above items fit easily in a pocket or pouch attached to the rifle. I'd wrap a small kit like that in tough tinfoil which can be used a cup or even a basic cooking pot.

I'd also add more ammo, either on the stocvk or on a sling pack (or both).

Edit: I know some people scoff at a kit like this but I've benefitted once when I was hiking in a storm and had to ditch my pack during a mudslide. It made the night much more comfortable.
 
Here's a page about the M6 survival rifle. My son really likes mine. It a 22 Hornet over 410.

m6.jpg
 
There used to be an old gent who passed away that wrote
for Guns and Ammo by the name of Mel Tappon. He also
worte a couple of books on Survival Guns. The word means
different needs and situations to different people. Stevens/
Savage 219 is an over and under rifle shotgun in various calibers
Mine a .22/.410 that is a little on the light side to cover all situations
but have a 357 barrel in need of a taller front sight. To write a
book, and run a monthly column means there are choses out there
to fill a number of needs.
 
Kinda curious what you folks thought. That Savage 24 is available in:

20 GA, chambered for 3" shells. 22 LR, 22 Hor, .223 Rem; 17 HMR
Of the rifle cartridges, which would be best for survival, considering it's also a 20 ga. that can use buckshot and slugs?
 
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Where?

Survival in Alaska might take a bigger gun then a .22 LR, what with the big bears & all.

A .22/20 ga would be preferable if you went missing where Steve Fawcett did.

As for the Savage O/U, I would pick the 20 ga / .22LR, as none of the other offerings would be much better for killing large game, and 100 rounds of .22 LR takes up very little room & weight compared to the centerfire calibers offered.
It would also be much more useful for small game sustenance hunting then a Hornet, .223 or .17HRM.

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On my person I carry a repackaged Doug Ritter Pocket Survival Kit in a spare neoprene cell phone holster, along with a decent knife (or two or three) and a good flashlight whenever I leave the city limits. I typically also have a 72 hour kit in any vehicle that I am driving. As far as a "survival gun" I don't normally carry anything other than my normal CCW.
 
I love talking and thinking about survival guns. It is a subject my shooting buddy and i have had for years. He thinks a 12 gauge for a SG is tops. I've always leaned towards a .22 or other small caliber so that ammo weight was not so great that you would neglect to take other survival gear.

I wish some savvy gunsmith or stock maker would make a removable butt plate for the hollow stocked rifles on the market like the 700 ADL that Remington use to make. Maybe better if someone like Ramline who makes so many after market stocks.

You might want to check out www.leverguns.com and read Paco Kelly's artical called "Survival", it has a lot of tips for extra things to carry into the woods.

The Mel Tappen fellow mentioned was not old when he died. I believe he was around 45 or so. You can find him on google. Mel's idea of surviving was to buy 70 acres in Califonia. If i could afford 70 acres in California i could buy 5 acres in Oklahoma and all the food i could eat for the rest of my life and have money left over.

One of the best books i have read is "Hunting and Fishing with Indian Secrets", I bought a copy off of E-Bay for about $5.00.

Unlike some posters i think a small fishing kit is important. Some split shot, small hooks and line wound around a small spool and stored in a 35mm film canister doesn't way much or use much space.
 
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My emergency fishing kit for my rifle is a bayonet! In an emergency, your first concern is not restricting yourself to legal tackle.

In firearms with a little hole for the cleaning kit or whatever I usually put some extra rounds.

If you have enough ammo you can make yourself a shelter by shooting down trees.
 
I think that your .410 is a good start for a survival gun. Have you thought about adding a shell carrier or two to carry extra rounds, and maybe a good leather or nylon sling. Get a small pouch of some type and attach it to the sling. You can put a small first aid kit, matches, fishing gear, etc.

Some people think fishing gear is not that important for a survival kit. I never got lost and spent the night in the woods but a friend of mine did up near Forks, WA. He had a small pack with some survival stuff in it. He was able to start a fire, catch and cook a few fish, and spent the night in relative comfort.
 
If you have enough ammo you can make yourself a shelter by shooting down trees.

/me thinks about a particular jungle scene involving a minigun in Predator :D

I'm content with my 10/22, which has a decent folding stock, so it's packable to some degree.
 
i'm really surprised that no body here would keep it strictly military rounds. when the commies are coming and the zombies cant hold em off any more, 7mm-06 or whatever round-of-the-day you have, might not be too easy to find.
 
I would throw in something like a brunton compass. They have a mirror on it which could be usefull for all sorts of things and of course the compass is usefull. My brother carries one with him whenever he is in the feild along with a 1911 and a GPS.
 
I'd second that; with my folding stock 10/22 and a small pack with some essential survival gear, I feel I'd be well equipped for most survival situations.
 
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