For OP's cartridge choice if he already has 357/38 ammo in hand then a single action revolver in 357/38 is a nice addition to his collection without the hassle and expense of procuring 45LC. Several years ago when I added a SA to my collection I bought a Ruger flattop in 357/38/9mm. Lots of choices in today's market unlike 45LC which had limited choices at higher prices five years ago. (And much less today.)
Talk me out of an Uberti
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.45Coltguy
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I have an Uberti/Taylor's "Old Randall" in .45 Colt that looks exactly like his bottom one. Great revolver.No issues with my 3 Ubertis. All in 357 mag.
BRatigan
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My El Patron has the laser etched pattern centered on the hammer. Back in the day hammers were forge knurled or roll press knurled before case hardening. I think it produced a beautiful effect. The laser etch is just cost cutting and has no esthetic value what so ever but it is effective when centered. In my humble opinion.
The Hombre was a $250 gun brand new. I'm not too worried about it.
I have a Uberti cattlemen II that I purchased new earlier this year the checkering on the hammer looks better than the previous photo but it is slightly to the right of center. After looking at this for a while thought maybe they're doing this on purpose to keep right handed shooter's thumbs from slipping off the hammer. It's a known fact that anybody that designs guns cares less about lefties.
sdrnavy
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I bought a Cimarron MP425 44-40 (1873 cattleman) Problems right out of the box. Light strikes, hammer not going to full cock position. Cimmeron would not answer email for days. I finally called them, warranty repair guy kept blowing me off. Would not give me an RA#...Then, he told me I have to pay for shipping. ($49) Had the gun 5 months, bought it brand new. After I dropped it off at my local gunsmith, the warranty guy from Cimarron finally sent me a RA#. $40 at the gunsmith and a new main spring and a new sear and bolt spring, the gun shoots fine.
Driftwood Johnson
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I used to do lot of work with lasers. The knurling on that hammer was laser engraved. That is a very good photo, showing the engraving in detail. With laser engraving like that, the laser fires multiple times. Each time it fires it melts the metal and leaves a small pit behind. The laser tracks a pattern (or the fixture holding the work piece tracks a pattern) so that all the little pits form a pattern. What happened here is the hammer was not properly fixtured. One is not going to hold the work piece by hand, the work piece has to be mounted in something to hold it while the laser is firing. It could be a simple vice, or something a bit fancier. In this case, either the fixture was not zeroed in X and Y properly, or the laser was not lined up properly. The result is as we see, the pattern is off center on the work piece.
Uberti hammers are cast parts. At least they used to be. The knurling on the hammer of my old Uberti Cattleman was cast into the part when it was made. I have a couple of Uberti rifles, and the knurling on their hammers was formed when the hammers were cast too.
Colt hammers are not cast, they are forged and machined to shape. The knurling on a Colt hammer is pressed into the part with a hardened knurling tool after the hammer has been shaped by machining. The knurling tool is a small wheel with the knurling pattern cut into it. The tool is hardened and is pressed very hard against the hammer spur and rolled across the part to impress the knurling pattern into the metal.
I used to do lot of work with lasers. The knurling on that hammer was laser engraved. That is a very good photo, showing the engraving in detail. With laser engraving like that, the laser fires multiple times. Each time it fires it melts the metal and leaves a small pit behind. The laser tracks a pattern (or the fixture holding the work piece tracks a pattern) so that all the little pits form a pattern. What happened here is the hammer was not properly fixtured. One is not going to hold the work piece by hand, the work piece has to be mounted in something to hold it while the laser is firing. It could be a simple vice, or something a bit fancier. In this case, either the fixture was not zeroed in X and Y properly, or the laser was not lined up properly. The result is as we see, the pattern is off center on the work piece.
Uberti hammers are cast parts. At least they used to be. The knurling on the hammer of my old Uberti Cattleman was cast into the part when it was made. I have a couple of Uberti rifles, and the knurling on their hammers was formed when the hammers were cast too.
Colt hammers are not cast, they are forged and machined to shape. The knurling on a Colt hammer is pressed into the part with a hardened knurling tool after the hammer has been shaped by machining. The knurling tool is a small wheel with the knurling pattern cut into it. The tool is hardened and is pressed very hard against the hammer spur and rolled across the part to impress the knurling pattern into the metal.
Driftwood Johnson
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Folks: Uberti firearms are sold here by importers. The importers, such as Cimarron, or Taylors, or Navy Arms or Dixie Gun Works do not make anything, they simply import the Uberti firearms directly from Italy. Years ago dealers could buy Uberti products from Uberti USA, but that outfit closed down years ago. Pretty much the importers simply send the firearm to you, or your dealer, in the box as it was received from Italy.
If a firearm sold by an importer is unsatisfactory, it is unlikely the importer will be able to do anything with it. They may have a contract with a USA based gunsmith to repair firearms, they may not. The profit margin on these guns is not very high, so the importers do not have a lot of wiggle room to make things right and still make a profit. The importer may simply send you new firearm from their inventory, but these days I doubt they have much inventory.
Revolvers such as the Evil Roy are a different story. Evil Roy is the alias of one of the top CAS competitors. You are going to pay more for one of them because a gunsmith has gone over it to smooth out the burrs that Uberti (or whoever) left inside, and polish the action parts a little bit.
In my experience, Taylors is the best of the importers because they have the best service. Taylors actually has a gunsmith on staff (at least they used to) who can do some repairs on site. I remember talking to the gunsmith at Taylors years ago. He would open every box and make sure the firearm operated properly. If they operated properly he would put them back in the box and put them on the shelf. If they were not up to snuff, he would do some minor adjustments so they operated properly. I'm not talking about taking everything apart and deburring everything and adjusting the timing, but he would do what he could so that everything worked properly.
For my money, because of this service, I always recommend Taylors over any of the other importers.
If a firearm sold by an importer is unsatisfactory, it is unlikely the importer will be able to do anything with it. They may have a contract with a USA based gunsmith to repair firearms, they may not. The profit margin on these guns is not very high, so the importers do not have a lot of wiggle room to make things right and still make a profit. The importer may simply send you new firearm from their inventory, but these days I doubt they have much inventory.
Revolvers such as the Evil Roy are a different story. Evil Roy is the alias of one of the top CAS competitors. You are going to pay more for one of them because a gunsmith has gone over it to smooth out the burrs that Uberti (or whoever) left inside, and polish the action parts a little bit.
In my experience, Taylors is the best of the importers because they have the best service. Taylors actually has a gunsmith on staff (at least they used to) who can do some repairs on site. I remember talking to the gunsmith at Taylors years ago. He would open every box and make sure the firearm operated properly. If they operated properly he would put them back in the box and put them on the shelf. If they were not up to snuff, he would do some minor adjustments so they operated properly. I'm not talking about taking everything apart and deburring everything and adjusting the timing, but he would do what he could so that everything worked properly.
For my money, because of this service, I always recommend Taylors over any of the other importers.
jdavis123
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i own several Uberti revolvers black powder and cartridge. I have an El Patron Cattleman II in .45 Colt. It has the safety hammer which has functioned perfectly. However, Taylor’s offers the original hammer and trigger to convert it to the old 4-click design if you so desire. There are ways to defeat the Cattleman II hammer spring if you have the skill to do so.
rwilky78
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I just purchased a Cimaron/ Uberti 5.5" Evil Roy in .357 magnum last November. That action is as smooth as glass. It cost a little extra but i'll say its worth it. It also has the original four click hammer.
deadeye dick
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Why won't you own one? I'm very happy with my Cattleman in .45C
deadeye dick
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The OP want's a S/A Replica. The B/H is a far cry from that.
deadeye dick
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As far as loose screws, mine came loose also. A drop of thread locker took care of that.
Master Blaster
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Uberti branded firearms are imported by Stoeger, they are owned by Beretta.
The one I had looked very nice great bluing and polishing, it was pretty well fit cosmetically. It just didn't shoot and basically fell apart after 200 rounds of .38 special after its first trip to Accokeek for the firing pin safety not working. Stoeger was very attentive, sent me a prepaid label. They have gunsmiths there in Maryland to work on them. The new replacement they sent me only was able to fire 4 rounds before the trigger became a 25 lb two stage, the second stage being extending the firing pin after the hammer fell.
Apparently the second new gun had some serious issues as well as it could not be fixed so they sent me a refund check.
The one I had looked very nice great bluing and polishing, it was pretty well fit cosmetically. It just didn't shoot and basically fell apart after 200 rounds of .38 special after its first trip to Accokeek for the firing pin safety not working. Stoeger was very attentive, sent me a prepaid label. They have gunsmiths there in Maryland to work on them. The new replacement they sent me only was able to fire 4 rounds before the trigger became a 25 lb two stage, the second stage being extending the firing pin after the hammer fell.
Apparently the second new gun had some serious issues as well as it could not be fixed so they sent me a refund check.
What model did you have?
I have 3 Uberti 357's and have had no issues with them. That brass grip frame one above has had lots and lots of 38 special ran through it.
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