If you’re OK with a 2” barrel you can get a Colt Cobra for less than the MSRP on the executive model. And it even come with a hammer spur and the option for SA shooting.
Taurus "Executive Grade" Revolvers?
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If you’re OK with a 2” barrel you can get a Colt Cobra for less than the MSRP on the executive model. And it even come with a hammer spur and the option for SA shooting.
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Will the Executive Series revolvers be assembled at the Georgia plant?
Pat Riot
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I wondered the same thing. I looked all over their pictures for a “made in Brazil” stamp or elsewhere but all I see is the line that says Bainbridge GA.
JeeperCreeper
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If this was the Ruger “Classic” line, then everyone would be goo goo ga ga over the damn things! LOL
Funny how everyone comes out of the woodwork to bash Taurus, and they have yet to handle or shoot the thing.
Messed up screw? Can’t be a mistake from the website, but then again H&K can print an ad with ammo loaded backwards in the magazine and it’s cool cause it’s H&K.
S&W can put a PC logo on a 642, $35 wood grips, and charge $150 more and it’s ok cause it’s a S&W Performance Center 642. WTH?
Not I. 357 magnum?!?! Yes Virginia, there are other calibers instead of the flame throwing 357 magnum and +p+ 9mm. Some of us, not Tactical Timmy like, know that less than nuclear weapons will stop an advisory. And we are ok with that.
12 pound trigger!?!? Yeah, DA triggers are heavy. I’m been accused of having a Princess Finger when it comes to triggers, but my nerve damaged hands can still use the DAO triggers on my 642 and 442. And they smooth out over time as well. That $150 trigger job you did to that Airweight would be better spent on a laser trainer and dry firing practice.
Funny how everyone comes out of the woodwork to bash Taurus, and they have yet to handle or shoot the thing.
Messed up screw? Can’t be a mistake from the website, but then again H&K can print an ad with ammo loaded backwards in the magazine and it’s cool cause it’s H&K.
S&W can put a PC logo on a 642, $35 wood grips, and charge $150 more and it’s ok cause it’s a S&W Performance Center 642. WTH?
Not I. 357 magnum?!?! Yes Virginia, there are other calibers instead of the flame throwing 357 magnum and +p+ 9mm. Some of us, not Tactical Timmy like, know that less than nuclear weapons will stop an advisory. And we are ok with that.
12 pound trigger!?!? Yeah, DA triggers are heavy. I’m been accused of having a Princess Finger when it comes to triggers, but my nerve damaged hands can still use the DAO triggers on my 642 and 442. And they smooth out over time as well. That $150 trigger job you did to that Airweight would be better spent on a laser trainer and dry firing practice.
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Please... at the end of the day, it's still just a Taurus. Nothing overly special, except that they're finally doing what they should've been doing this whole time.
That, and I'd think sn executive would want something to match their charisma and machismo... something like a Mdl 29 or Python.
That, and I'd think sn executive would want something to match their charisma and machismo... something like a Mdl 29 or Python.
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I have to say if it were in 357 I'd buy one. I won't be surprised if the next model is just that the same gun chambered in 357 magnum. I have a current production 605 in 357 magnum in their black oxide finish. I tried several before deciding to buy mine and they all had great fit and finish.
The trigger is a very smooth double action and single action is even better. I like my Taurus so much I'm going to get a tracker in 357 next. All gun makers can,do and have had QC problems and gone through rough patches with putting out lemons. I've had $800+ S&W revolvers need a trip back to the factory same goes for Ruger with an SP101 that had a canted barrel from the factory.
Both smith and Ruger made them right in both cases replaced both guns hassle free funny thing is my Taurus has a better DA trigger than my sister's Smith model 60. The single action on both guns I'd say is equal. No BS on this either. My sister liked my 605 so much that she bought on in stainless the same day she **** mine. I eventually want a Colt king Cobra carry 2". I have to say the current production Taurus guns have come up in quality based on the ones I've owned handled and **** these last few years.
The trigger is a very smooth double action and single action is even better. I like my Taurus so much I'm going to get a tracker in 357 next. All gun makers can,do and have had QC problems and gone through rough patches with putting out lemons. I've had $800+ S&W revolvers need a trip back to the factory same goes for Ruger with an SP101 that had a canted barrel from the factory.
Both smith and Ruger made them right in both cases replaced both guns hassle free funny thing is my Taurus has a better DA trigger than my sister's Smith model 60. The single action on both guns I'd say is equal. No BS on this either. My sister liked my 605 so much that she bought on in stainless the same day she **** mine. I eventually want a Colt king Cobra carry 2". I have to say the current production Taurus guns have come up in quality based on the ones I've owned handled and **** these last few years.
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I would like something like an 856 with a 3" barrel in .32 H&R Mag. If I am buying a .38 Special in that price range, it will probably be a Smith & Wesson standard grade revolver. Give me something that no one else makes in .32!
Zendude
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Charter Arms has an app for that.
Golfanaticshooter
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It looks ok, but I thought I was reading a Rigby brochure.
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Amen .. My Wiley Clapp SP101 crane -frame fit was so horrible.. looked like I fitted it , drunk in the dark
When I sent it to Ruger … they said it was in spec !!
I LMAO .. Sold it with full disclosure.. that was strike three or four on SP101’s. My LCR’s are great though…
When or if Taurus builds a EG 856UL ,
Im purchasing it , if I have the funds
Geldarr
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Taurus has claimed the newly released 327 revolve will eventually come in 3" (as opposed to the 2" they have available right now).
It is, in essence, an 856 chambered in .327 Federal. Not exactly .32H&R, but it will shoot them...
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I don’t think anyone is actually bashing Taurus. Myself I have owned a few and all have been good affordable entry level guns. I got what I paid for, no complaints. I think all makers are having some issues with quality lately. Just look through these posts and there isn’t one current manufacturer that doesn’t have some issues. I think part of it is that revolvers are more difficult to produce, they require a greater degree of skilled fitting. I also think that $350 is cheap for a revolver especially if made in the US given labor costs.
If anyone is in the manufacturing field they know the demand there is for good skilled machinists. It is high.
I stand by my previous point that all makers should improve quality, instead of isolating the few gifted machinists and gunsmiths they should use that to bring up the entire product line. I would much rather pay $500 for a known quality item then $400 for something I have to send back which has been my recent experience.
This whole “Executive, Professional or Custom Shop thing bothers me. A run of the mill Smith and Wesson Model 10 of yesteryear was twice the gun currently being turned out. I would rather spend a bit more, get a smooth reliable revolver then play the “hope it wasn’t made on Friday game”. Just my humble opinion. I always go back to the thought that In their most basic form they exist to protect oneself, family and home.
If anyone is in the manufacturing field they know the demand there is for good skilled machinists. It is high.
I stand by my previous point that all makers should improve quality, instead of isolating the few gifted machinists and gunsmiths they should use that to bring up the entire product line. I would much rather pay $500 for a known quality item then $400 for something I have to send back which has been my recent experience.
This whole “Executive, Professional or Custom Shop thing bothers me. A run of the mill Smith and Wesson Model 10 of yesteryear was twice the gun currently being turned out. I would rather spend a bit more, get a smooth reliable revolver then play the “hope it wasn’t made on Friday game”. Just my humble opinion. I always go back to the thought that In their most basic form they exist to protect oneself, family and home.
Geldarr
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Website lists capacity as 6 rounds. Not gaining any capacity over the .38 version, but the flexibility and reduced recoil might be worth it.
An interesting comparison would be the size of the "old" model Taurus M327 and this "new" 327 version. Wish I had bought a few of the old version when CDNN was selling them for $200 a while back...
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@wcwhitey
They've been doing what each and every other major manufacturer has been doing when it come to manufacturing processes. You think Colt, S&W, and Ruger are hand tuning their revolvers? Heck, I can't even tell the difference between a Performance Center S&W and a standard other than the Taurus grade beadblast finish and other cosmetic features... Next, U.S. manufacturers aren't building revolvers the same way they did in the past because of advancements in technology, production cost, and they know hiring knowledge gunsmiths to hand fit and polish revolvers one by one at a salary of $50k-70k per year per person plus benefits will slow production to a crawl, severely reduce sales and availability, and will in turn hurt profits. Expensive electricity, gas, labor, etc cost coupled with having to recoup the cost and investment for millions of dollars worth of machinery... On top of that, it will put the MSRP out of reach of the majority of normal consumers (much higher than $500... Try in the $2k +/- range).
With advancements in technology and modern CNC machines, there is no longer a need to have parts hand fitted. Parts can be machined to exact tolerances which will allow them to be drop in. That in turn will allow the consumers to order and have drop in replacement parts on hand without having to have everything hand fitted again for their unique individual revolver which will add even more cost and will keep their handgun needing repair or maintenance much longer...
I've purchased production line Ruger, Taurus, S&W, Kimber, and Colt revolvers. They all have been 200% reliable and have functioned just fine whether it was my $220 Taurus Model 85 or $1000+ Colt or S&W. I am happy with all my production revolvers, and if the cost were increased significantly because they all were hand fitted and made, I would probably not own or be able to afford all or most of them. Just because you can personally afford sub $1k-$2 revolvers doesn't mean the majority of your other fellow Americans can. I see absolutely nothing wrong with having affordable lost cost production models and tier level revolvers. Furthermore, if it bothers you that much, then buy a production line revolver, and the ship it off to a gunsmith to have them finetune everything to your liking..
Lastly, people whine and complain about quality and doing things like they were done several decades ago. (Older models also had issues. There just weren't as many gun owners and no 24/7 internet, cellphone, firearm forums, social media, or YouTube reporting of them. If Billybob in a small town in CA had an issue, John Doe in NY would never hear about it let alone get to see pictures and video.) People LOVE and come out of the wood works just to bash Taurus even when they have no knowledge or firsthand experience with the model in question. Then when Taurus dares to do almost exactly what some were whining and complaining about, they STILL aren't happy and find an angle to STILL bash Taurus for... Taurus is damned if they do and damned if they don't. The elephant in the room is some have a strong bias against Taurus period, so no matter what they do and how good they get, they'll still come up with something to be negative about.
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I'll put money on it that the Executive series will be extended to include DA/SA as well as their 357 revolvers. I've seen many people bob the hammer on their S&W and Ruger carry revolvers, or they simply will buy versions that have enclosed hammers (Kimber K6S included). The initial release is obviously aimed at that crowd.
I'm also willing to bet that the retail price of the Executive will be less than that of the 2" Colt Cobra. Even if it's not, the 2" Colt Cobra does not come with Altamont grips, chamfered cylinder chambers, hand tuned trigger, or a hand polished barrel, cylinder, and frame. If and when just one person has an issue with a Taurus or Charter Arms, that one report will be repeated ad nauseam to infinity and beyond everywhere and anytime anyone mentions those manufacturers' name.
Colt had several issues design and quality control wise with the Cobra, King Cobra, and Python too, but just like Ruger and S&W, they will get a pass and everyone will turn a blind eye.
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“With advancements in technology and modern CNC machines, there is no longer a need to have parts hand fitted. Parts can be machined to exact tolerances which will allow them to be drop in. That in turn will allow the consumers to order and have drop in replacement parts on hand without having to have everything hand fitted again for their unique individual revolver which will add even more cost and will keep their handgun needing repair or maintenance much longer...”
To a point! Every manufactured products process is similar in some ways. Parts are produced by whatever process is required (CNC, Mold , Press, etc), then finished to a particular tolerance. This is not new only the machinery to do so can produce a product at or closer to the required tolerance then a gent on a manual lathe. This is one of the places labor is saved, in theory waste and time also. MIM and injection molded parts save money by being molded closer quickly to a finished product than a piece of bar stock but it still requires finishing. They are then inspected for tolerances and if they pass placed in inventory for later assembly. A worker/technician receives a bin of completed parts for assembly. This bin of parts contains parts that are within accepted tolerances but still may be not matching. Let’s say two mating parts are each on the small end of accepted tolerances. Together these parts will create a problem. It is at this point that an experienced assembler should recognize this and request or fit another better suited part. On the large end of things some manufactures may allow the assembler to use tools to relieve a tight or misfit situation. So in essence revolvers are still being assembled, fit and put out for sale by a human. Many processes along the way require the skill and knowledge of a human. An experienced assembler is a skilled position, no way to get around needing them. Mistakes are always a problem in the production process no matter the product. The culture of the company, training and supervision are what makes a good product. The designs are not new. The only changes to most of these revolvers have been cost cutting measures.
Yes gone are the days of a lathe operator getting a part close only to be finished by an experienced gunsmith who would work the part to a measure of perfection, good enough is kind of our culture now. However, in firearms standards and repeatability were pretty much worked out in WWI.
“With advancements in technology and modern CNC machines, there is no longer a need to have parts hand fitted. Parts can be machined to exact tolerances which will allow them to be drop in. That in turn will allow the consumers to order and have drop in replacement parts on hand without having to have everything hand fitted again for their unique individual revolver which will add even more cost and will keep their handgun needing repair or maintenance much longer...”
To a point! Every manufactured products process is similar in some ways. Parts are produced by whatever process is required (CNC, Mold , Press, etc), then finished to a particular tolerance. This is not new only the machinery to do so can produce a product at or closer to the required tolerance then a gent on a manual lathe. This is one of the places labor is saved, in theory waste and time also. MIM and injection molded parts save money by being molded closer quickly to a finished product than a piece of bar stock but it still requires finishing. They are then inspected for tolerances and if they pass placed in inventory for later assembly. A worker/technician receives a bin of completed parts for assembly. This bin of parts contains parts that are within accepted tolerances but still may be not matching. Let’s say two mating parts are each on the small end of accepted tolerances. Together these parts will create a problem. It is at this point that an experienced assembler should recognize this and request or fit another better suited part. On the large end of things some manufactures may allow the assembler to use tools to relieve a tight or misfit situation. So in essence revolvers are still being assembled, fit and put out for sale by a human. Many processes along the way require the skill and knowledge of a human. An experienced assembler is a skilled position, no way to get around needing them. Mistakes are always a problem in the production process no matter the product. The culture of the company, training and supervision are what makes a good product. The designs are not new. The only changes to most of these revolvers have been cost cutting measures.
Yes gone are the days of a lathe operator getting a part close only to be finished by an experienced gunsmith who would work the part to a measure of perfection, good enough is kind of our culture now. However, in firearms standards and repeatability were pretty much worked out in WWI.
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ThomasT
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Excellent point. I have owned around 14 Taurus revolvers and never had a single problem with them. Some had bluing so well done I could see my reflection in them. Some had triggers that were for all intents just as good as some of the S&W triggers I have felt. And I just posted a thread about having to send a model 10 back to S&W because they sent it out with a .016 barrel to cylinder gap. Can yo imagine all the bashing that would have gone on if that gun had of been a Taurus instead of a S&W?
The next revolver I want is one of the new 856 38s with a 2" barrel. And if the trigger doesn't suit me I can adjust it. I wouldn't want it in 357. After reading all the noise about the Taurus Executive not being chambered in 357 I wonder how many would shoot about two cylinders full and then load it up with +P 38 specials? I bet most would.
As mentioned earlier another poster here showed a picture of a stainless model 856 they polished to look like a chrome finish and it looked really good. I wish who ever it was would repost the picture.
ThomasT
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Here ya go. Look at post #5 and see what a stainless Taurus 856 can be made to look like.
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/taurus-856.901217/
https://www.thehighroad.org/index.php?threads/taurus-856.901217/
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Buggered screws aside, it might be worth the funds to get a Pistol that was given a thorough review before shipping. Something that is a little expensive for everything coming out of a factory. I got a Colt King Cobra and it was perfect. Read more than one post about those having some sort of issue. To buy a Taurus that was a known working good for a little extra just might be worth it. I have warranties no matter how good they are. A warranty should be something I never have to use. It should be right the first time.
Example: Boker knife I purchased with a butter knife edge. Like they skipped the step where they put an edge on it. They wanted me to pay $14.95 or so, plus ship them the knife to fix the problem. A new never used knife mind you.
Anyhow, would pay extra to make sure it's right. Saves trouble on the back end.
Example: Boker knife I purchased with a butter knife edge. Like they skipped the step where they put an edge on it. They wanted me to pay $14.95 or so, plus ship them the knife to fix the problem. A new never used knife mind you.
Anyhow, would pay extra to make sure it's right. Saves trouble on the back end.
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If purchasing online, you normally can give it a thorough once over before accepting the transfer which is something most people who you see complaining after the fact never do. If buying from a gun shop, you can pick which one you want. I purchased 95% of the firearms I own online (several dozens of purchases), and I can't say that I ever had to send one back yet. Maybe I've just been lucky.
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Excellent point Styx. I purchased all my pistols except for one through a local dealer. I did give them a good once over. They seems ok, but were they? I do appreciate the opportunity to touch and feel before I buy.
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Absolutely, a good revolver check out is essential. My only return ever was a recent Charter product. It was the first revolver I purchased online and was given a good check before I did the paperwork. It was a good revolver for almost 200 rounds. I agree that a few bucks up front isn’t a total bad idea if it means getting a guaranteed winner. I said it before and will say it again that I think $350 is cheap for a revolver made in the US today. I often think how did they do it. But then again if I pay the price I want a good one!
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