Taurus Revolver Stigma

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This is not a "he said" or "I heard" or anything like that. I bought a
Taurus M85 for my mother. The first trip to the range after the 3rd
shot it locked up. I sent it back. Six weeks later another range trip,
same result. I sent it back. The dealer was nice enough to exchange
it for another one. Another range trip and on first shot it locked up
solid. A piece was broken off the forcing cone. Back to Taurus. Six
weeks later I got it back. Traded it for a Ruger. End of true story.
No more Taurus for me.
 
I have noticed this. Page one of these threds always paints taurus in a better light then the op thought. Then it degrades into a hate thread by page two or three. Are taurus lovers so on the ball our does it just take taurus haters extra time to find the thread?
 
Well then , maybe I'm a little late to the party .

So I got a SS 85 with the bobbed hammer back in the early 90's . It was meant for the girl friend from the outset . The first trip to the range was alongside an easy afternoon of lazy bullseye with the large frames in 44 , 45 and larger so the paper was all the way out to 25 yards . The little Taurus came new out of the box and was loaded with federal nyclad . 25 yards ...

I squeezed off the first round and couldn't find the hole in the target . I asked to borrow the scope next to me and was greeted with an uncharacteristic chuckle from a fellow range rat ."go ahead , something wrong with your eyes ? Don't trust your shot ?" I had X'ed out with the first shot . I put the little 38 in the hands of the girlfriend that day and never got it back . Over several years I put several hundred rounds through the 85 with surprising accuracy and zero failures .The girlfriend is years gone and so is the little 85 .
I miss the 85 ;-)

(come on , you knew it was coming )

~kop

you know I miss you too red
 
It just takes the anit-crowd longer to find anything. :)

Own over 30 Tauri revolvers and 11 Tauri pistols.

All are serving well and some are older than 25 years.

Also own a lot of other brands,makes, and models of handguns and rifles that are sound.
 
Some folks collect junk - taurus

Some folks collect art - S&W

just saying

I don't COLLECT anything. All my guns are shooters and my Taurus revolvers are some of the best. The 4" 66 succeeds a Smith M19 and a Ruger Security Six. It just shoots better and I prefer the round forcing cone to the K frame, holds up better. I've had a Smith forcing cone split. Collect what you want and delude yourself how you want. If I see a Smith that I like for a reasonable price, I may consider it, but that doesn't happen often.

I only have 3 Tauri, all revolvers. I have 8 Rugers, 3 NAAs, one Smith, 2 Piettas, one ASM, one Radom, one Charter Arms, one Ramline, one Erma, one Grendel, two Rossis, one Phoenix Arms, little of this, a little of that, hard to remember 'em all off the top of my head. Only junky guns I have are .22s and I have 3 quality .22s to shoot, so if I "collect" anything, it's probably .22s as I have 11 of 'em if you count the percussion NAA super companion and the Black Widow .22 mag. Those are quality .22s so I guess I actually have 5. :D I also have this thing for cap and ball guns, but they're shooters, not really collectors.

If all you buy is Smiths, you're not a collector, you're a fanboy. Me, I have diverse models and so long as they work and they're ACCURATE (my main requirement), I keep 'em around. I don't really own any very expensive guns, why I like Taurus and Ruger, for the value. I guess my .45 Blackhawk has the most money in it, mostly because it wears a set of sanbar stag grips and some engraving I had done. I love that particular revolver, powerful and as accurate as my 4" Taurus 66, shoots 1" 25 yard groups with its light or heavy loads. If I own any shooting "art", it's that gun. You can't even get sanbar anymore and last I saw, the grips were going for 300 a pair 5 or 6 years ago. I liked the gun so much I even had my initials engraved on the bottom of the grip.
 
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I shoot what I collect.

I have smiths, other quality American made firearms, and Italian, German, and Austrian brands. I shoot em all.

Enjoy the Tauri, Charter, and Rossi.

Fan boy, and deluded? Is that what enjoying well made firearms is?

I say, one man's junk, is another mans treasure.
 
Our Taurus steel revolvers, from 1990s, shoots often and well. :)

I only collect cash, deferred-cash (stocks, etc.), and maybe books.

Guns are tools.
 
http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/t...aurus-international-mfg-inc-factory-tour.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-complaints/1792-taurus-accomplishments.html
This goes with the link above.


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http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-revolvers/4695-show-us-your-taurus-revolvers.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/taurus-revolvers/15648-revolver-buyers-checklist.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/judge/52418-show-us-your-judge.html

http://www.taurusarmed.net/forums/rossi-revolvers/6275-lets-see-your-rossi-revolver-photos.html

You folks wanted to go there so I did.
 
The only Taurus in my house came with my wife. 38sp Snub w/Bobed hammer, I guess its an 85 (?). Its decent enough looking with good finish and lockup. However, I havent gotten it to fire all 5 cylinders in years. It will Light Strike once or twice on every reload no matter the ammo nor is there a correlation with cylinders. Been meaning to send it back to them. Just always forget its in the back of the safe...
 
So your wife has a taurus that light strikes and some body mucked with the hammer?

No its factory hammer less, I guess "enclosed" is the correct term.
 
M 85 "bobbed"LARGE Jpg

Had one for years . 0 , Zero function failures . Cylinder to forcing cone distance was a little tight at first allowing only 20 rounds before needing a light cleaning . After several hundred rounds even this small issue went away . Seemed to like the Federal NON +P Nyclad , a lot . Less than 2 seconds , 5 rounds @ 7 yards , less than a 3" group . Okay , I've been doing this a while and I practice regularly . I'm not talking about me . The 100 Lb soaking wet girlfriend with consistent training over no more than two months and about 400 rounds could do this . No wonder I never got the pistol back ...

~kop
 
Just adding to the noise here...

I am a S&W snob. That said I personally had a bad experience with a Taurus 30 plus years ago. It was to me a cheap knockoff of my beloved S&W. While I have not purchased or owned one since I do have friends that swear by them and not at them. Several LE friends use the M85 as off duty and backup guns. My brother in law has a .44 magnum model that I am keeping for him while he is out of the country. It seems to be a fine revolver and shoots well.

That being the case I would consider one today if I had a need. Fortunatly my limited S&W collection meets my needs.
 
Some folks collect art - S&W

Yes, and S&W is to art as is Andres Serrano.

Ever wonder why the S&W fan-boys always recommend "earlier versions"? Perhaps it's because, over the past 20 years, the usual QC versions have been weeded out? I can remember, back in the 1970's and 80's, the dire warnings about S&W and their "Model of the week" and the Terrible QC accompanying the products. Today's younger crowd of Internet Experts routinely recommend guns from this period. Truly, "one man's treasure is another man's trash" applies much more to S&W than the fan-boys and Internet Commandos think.

I use my guns to teach with, and have for decades. The last thing that I want is to hand someone a gun that isn't going to work. I use Taurus, Sig, HK, Ruger, and the occasional, well-vetted, S&W/ I have a number of them, but the last two I purchased new have had to quickly be returned for lock-work failures. That is, too me, an example of poor QC. Worse, I check ALL guns that I buy for obvious problems BEFORE I pay for them. I'm not silly enough to walk out of a store with poorly machined charge-holes in a gun, or an out of time revolver. I also make sure that sights are correctly aligned, and so on. I can tell you that S&W is as prone to stupid assembly mistakes as anyone, even Jimenez.

Nobody, even HK and Sig, is today capable of 100% QC. Unless, and until, a person takes the total number of guns imported by Taurus in a single year, and the number of guns sent for repair, can you come up with any factual information. Even then, they would need to compare it to several other gun-makers to even approach an idea of what is normal.

Until then, we have traveling bashers like clem, who identified a Taurus Model 94 as a Model 941. That particular photo had already made the rounds months ago, attached to a different tale of woe. The Model 94 has NINE charge holes, and is a .22 long rifle. The Model 941 he identified, is a .22 WMR, and has B]EIGHT[/B] charge-holes. As an owner, he should, at the least, know what he bought. I would also question the proficiency of someone who would fail to check the gun over prior to buying, as he most obviously didn't. It's like buying a new car with bad paint, and then blaming the manufacturer for the mistake.

It's people like this, who manufacture "evidence" to support their infantile claims, that are trying to build evidence. Fortunately, they are rarely competent enough to actually fool too many people. :)
 
I have three now and have had a few more. My family has some.

605 - My most carried gun. Got it used, put around 1000 rounds through it (mostly .38s), it works good, shoots good.
606 - Ported 6 shot .357 Mag, it was my dads first. We shot it a lot, but I never had a round count. I sold it because I didn't like the ports and I didn't see the use in a 6 shot snub..... I kinda wish I had it back now.
85UL - Wife's gun, it's only got about 500 rounds, but works fine.
66 - Just got this one, it needs a little cleaning and I haven't shot it yet. Seems to be fine.

All seem to pass the normal checks fine. I do know the 605 and 85 are a little looser than some S&Ws. My dad's Model 19 is definitely tighter on the lockup, but my Taurus small frame guns feel about the same as most J frames.

My mom has an 85 and a 650 that are just fine. Maybe 500 rounds (it doesn't get shot much, but I've shot both a bit.)

My brother has an 85 that is just fine. Maybe 500 rounds (it doesn't get shot much, but I've shot it a bit.)

I did have a PT92 that had problems extracting shells, but the gun was a much older no-decocker model. It had been shot a lot, but was clean when I bought it used. I bought a new extractor because the tip of the old one had some slight wear.... When I changed it out, I found that it had a whole bunch of gunk in the cavity. Cleaned it up, lubed it, went ahead with the new extractor and it worked fine thereafter. Sold it because, I just wasn't attached to it.

I really haven't had problems with them. They aren't as slick as some S&Ws, but there are quite a few S&Ws these days with QC and build issues. They aren't as robust as Ruger and a good bit of the time they aren't finished as well. Rugers are pretty consistent.
 
Andres Serrano? famous for:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piss_Christ

Again, IMHO, Smith and Wesson wheel guns, especially the older ones are ART.

If Tauri are so valuable, can someone explain to me, like I was a 2nd grader, why 30 yo S&W's fetch much more money then the same copy cat model made in Brazil?
 
"The Days of Our Lies,", "Internet Commandos" , and smilies go together about as well as 'da Judge and 45LC in Grizz country, and bad 'da jokes (so say some fools).

Feel the need to help educate a fellow revolver owner aka "USMC Retired, LEO Retired NRA Benefactor Member" ? Nobody knows T-94/941 better than you two guys, say it ain't so. Maybe not a USMC/LEO retired. Last time I looked, they don't issue small frame rimfires for combat duty and/or LEO service handguns. Tell 'em all about it. Count holes.
(prolly Photoshopped anyway, that 94 picture, infamous conspirator tactic that fools no one ??)

How many prospective new buyers know that specific make/model/vintage better than you two guys do ? How many people even on taurusarmed.net own and shoot all of 'em every week/month, as many Taurus 94/941 rimfire revolvers as either one of you guys ?? Qwiks draw ??

or don't do that -
and don't post up pictures of NIB 94/941 revolvers you personally looked at yourself.
Those which you would cherry pick for yourselves, and those you would not.
(Do feel free in the interests of objective non-biased anti-conspiracy to do same for every NIB S&W, Ruger, Rossi, Taurus, Charter, brand X small frame DA rimfire you and friends can lay your hands on; they ain't that hard to find, not even for guys like me and you who do not own our own LGS.)

People who know handguns like you guys do, and own ~41 Taurus handguns, ought not waste their time and money on digital cameras. People like me ain't interested enough to bother, because all us snobby elitists and Internet Commandos and idiots are too busy playing CoD anyway (in between planning the relentless advance of the VAST INTERNET CONSPIRACY)

Tell those newbies what a homeboy-smithing mainspring and/or trigger return spring change and/or 5000 rounds of dry fire will do for a cherry picked 94 or 941 bought NIB DA trigger... (and won't do).

Somebody had an unhappy experience with a NIB FA, S&W, Ruger, Kimber,Taurus, Browning, Hi-Point, HRR, Jimenez, or brand X handgun ??
Don't blame the factory, blame the struggling LGS owner trying to move enough volume to feed the family on too-thin-volume, too-thin-profit sales. Blame the buyer, it's their own foolish fault for buying on-line, and it's their fault for trying to save a buck from Bud's et.al. vs. somebody's personal favorite LGS.. QA/QC is their responsibility, not the manufacturer's... after all it's obviously real wrong for a newbie or an oldie to want to save a buck; do tell 'em they ought could buy wallyworld practice ammo, but NOT right to NOT buy economy priced brands, because saving a buck is inherently wrong absent no-free-ride expertise won the hard way. Do blame the competition for screwing up (and they do screw up), but Taurus mistakes are their competition's fault, not Taurus' fault, because it's the overpriced screw ups with the wrong number of cylinder holes to match the model that forces Taurus to ignore QA/QC, and send revolver cylinders out their door that look like THAT. The way-too-over-priced competition is just killing their market demographic, that's what it is, dadgummit !

Forbid new gun buyers, who have never owned a revolver, or maybe even ever shot one, to ever buy one because there oughta' be a law against ever buying a revolver (or any handgun), unless they have passed your level revolver checkout test criteria, without ever held one in hand before, nor acquired your hard won hands-on expertise by merit of owning and shooting at least 3000 rounds of ammo through at least 40 handguns each, preferably dominated by some one preference brand.
(if nothing else, you might win some bonus points from the anti-gun of-any-brand crowd)

Hate S&W worse than Satan, do it; S&W owners are all conspirator elitists, you know it. Spread the gospel, it's your duty. They always were junk anyway, just ask Chuck H.
Want to sell your own old/new S&Ws because you despise people who like em', do it.
Put 'em up there, name your price; some newbie elitist fool on gunbroker might bite.
Newbies always catch the short end of the dirty stick; that's how they learn to be oldies, same as you did.

Just how many newbies do you really think surf THR or taurusarmed.net, et. al. anyway ? They mostly have never even heard of THR or TFL or tarusarmed.net or rimfirecentral.. AR.com.. mebbe.. most of 'em don't even know that 38 S&W is a cartridge, not a special, not a bullet, nor a gun)

But if all else fails, you could still post pictures up of NIB 94 or 941s, cylinder bore shots, 8 or 9 holes, you pick 'em, brag on 'em. Picture worth 1000 words and 100,000 of mine or yours.

Me, I am impressed by that picture of that older vintage T-96 rimfire, and I don't even need pictures of the cylinder bore to be impressed. Got my own reasons for that.

Have seen cylinder bores in T-94s and T-941s. Not impressed. Don't even care if homeboy smithing can turn a crappy DA trigger into a barely tolerable one. SA trigger is an optional mode on a DA/SA revolver, ought not be a "requirement". "Mostly goes bang" can be had cheaper than Taurus-today, always could.

You care if clem knows the model number, I do not.

Just in case you wondered, no, I don't own a Taurus 94 or 941, on purpose, and I do not care what the bargain price is, but some folks do and ought care, and they just might ought pay attention to clem's picture
consider it a kindness.. because
I am leaving all those 94/941s for JR47, he might could make 'em run better than most
Me and you, weregunner, we just ain't destined to ever be real close friends, I reckon

Buy another 40 for you, somebody's gotta' do it
Sell 40 others NIB to others if you can, god knows we need competition in new revolvers, any kind we can get (but don't wait on me to stand in line)
me standing pat on the three Taurus handguns I own and admire
(and even McGunner, loyal to Taurus for his own good reasons, seems like he ain't jumped on NIB lately, but he knows how to check 'em out when he is ready; unlikely to have cylinder bores that look like that, five holes, or six, or eight, or nine, and they real likely to time right too)

Taurus makes some good-today-guns, always did
as do they all
and none are exempt from caveat emptor
those who have 3 or 4 success stories are not liars
those who have 1 or 2 or 3 or 4 complaints are not liars
those who have 40 straight unqualified one-brand NIB success stories ought spend less time touting gun brands and spend more money on lotto tickets

and for those entertained by conspiracy theories, there is always the 'black helicopter' option

it's a VAST INTERNET CONSPIRACY, dadgummit !
Qwiks draw cannot fight it all by himself

PS
shooting is good, and even more fun if done not with your life on the line
if you can't hit the target, enjoy the noise, but don't shoot yourself in the foot
or anyone else
 
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