Tavor TAR-21 Coyote Rifle?

[GLOOB]

+1 Tulsamal

"muzzle blast in your face"
Well, you don't have to put a short barrel in it.

"action blast & noise where your face is laying on the stock"
Nope. I've never felt even a whiff of air on my face even with the half a dozen case head separations I've had with old brass. The buffer tube spring on an AR against your face is louder and more annoying than anything you will hear on a bullpup.

Tulsamal, I also have an MSAR, and the trigger is perfectly good with the little trigger doctor thing I put on there. It looks like an aluminum tab that goes over the sear, or something. Anyways, I highly recommend it. Much lighter pull. Not a match trigger, but at least the reset is better than on an AR.

One plus for the AR is the free floating barrel. A bullpup could be made with a free floating barrel, but a lot of them don't.

I wish the TAR21 was legal here. It looks like a nice rifle. I can't believe the backlash on this thread just cuz of the design. I bet it's more accurate than a Mini.

 

[FIVETWOSEVEN]

I wish the TAR21 was legal here. It looks like a nice rifle

Unless you live in a state that restricts EBRs, you'll be able to get one this fall if things go to plan. They were shown at SHOT show.

 

[ejnogarb]

I get the feeling that the OP wants this rifle more for a HD/tactical situation than he would for varmint hunting. He was probably just excited to see a military-style weapon that he could legally take into the wild. Of course, if anyone official in Canada asked, I would say it was only for varmint hunting.

 

[Canucks_Fanatic]

As a Canadian firearms enthusiast, I can wholeheartedly recommend the Tavor 21. With all due respect, the notion that bullpups "feel like a blast going off next to your face", that "action blast & noise where your face is laying on the stock", and "poor balance for precision long range shooting" does not apply to the Tavor. Having shot the RFB and Fs2000 as well, I can say that no modern bullpup has these problems, at least a point where it becomes unbearable.

I'm not sure if you've gotten your PAL yet, but the the Tavor falls into the non-restricted rifle category just like the XCR, RFB, and FS2000. You just need the barrel length to be over 18.5". Then you're good to go. The Tavor is solidly built (I've owned mine for about a year now) and very well balanced, in fact I've had several people remark that maneuvering the rifle is much easier than even the M4. Accuracy also hasn't been an issue. It is a battle rifle, but even with surplus ammo you'll hit within 2 inches at 100 meters. A better shooter than I am could do much better than that at a range with a better bench. In fact, the only problems that I've had with the Tavor has been the disappointing trigger. It's quite stiff and really just doesn't feel as good as a regular ol' AR-15.

I don't hunt coyotes, but it shoots as well as any AR out there. If you are looking for a more AR style rifle, I would recommend buying a Robinson Arms XCR, a Swiss Arms 556, or a HK Sl8 (civi version of the G36). There have been a lot of problems with the first run of the XCRs, but they have really been ironed out. As you can see, there are actually a few options for small caliber hunting rifles in Canada, they are just prohibitively expensive if you want to take it anywhere other than the range.

The only restricted ARs in Canada are either ones with an AR action (as in Rock River, Colt, etc.) or prohibited with an AK action (no commie guns). Anything else like a modern piston design is fine.

You don't have a specified location but if you are anywhere near Vancouver BC I can always let you try a mag with my Tavor.

Oh, one more thing, the RFB does have a little bit of noise in the stock, but that is because it fires the .308 round and not .223. Just a word of warning. You could actually probably get rid of it with a better compensator on your barrel.

 

[B!ngo]

Ditto. I'm a left-handed shooter with a penchant for good design. Bull pups make a lot of sense to me, and if the Tavor makes it to the U.S., I'm getting in line. I guess they all have bad triggers, just like all AR's are undependable.

Being laughed at by Texicans won't change who I am or how I do things

 

[Canucks_Fanatic]

Haha, touche man. I would never say ARs were undependable for fear of TexasPatriot.308 would come up to Canada to kick my ass up between my ears in the name of America, but triggers on the FS2000 and Tavor and all the bullpups I've used really haven't been any good.

Have you tried the RFB? That one actually feels like a two-stage AR trigger and not terrible. Still not great.

 

[12gaugeTim]

Or you could get a DSR-1, or some other cool gun allowed in Canada but not the US... Darn you

 

[Canucks_Fanatic]

I would love a DSR-1, but I spent that 11K on University lol.

 

[12gaugeTim]

C'mon man, this kind of sub moa sexy is way more important than education, what were you thinking?? Haha
But like other people are saying.. There are better tools for the job that are still legal, but owning a gun doesn't have to be strictly utilitarian by any means. The tar21 is pretty cool, and if that's why you want it (in addition to coyotes), it's your money, so who are we to question how you spend it?

 

[Canucks_Fanatic]

If I had a firearms license before going to school, I honestly might have been tempted to go for it and spend the rest of my life in the service haha. But I agree completely 12gauge, so I guess the OP will have to make his decision haha!

I say go for it if you have the money!

 

[mr.trooper]

I used to be hard-nosed about kids and the guns in their videogames ...

I stopped being so stuck up when I realized that shooting these guns is a heck of a lot of fun.

 

[Ar180shooter]

As a Canadian who has shot the Tavor on multiple occasions, I'll throw in my 2c.

The Tavor is a decent rifle, but would not be my first choice for a Coyote gun. Yes, you could use it as one (and I know several people who have), but it wouldn't be my first choice as a Coyote rifle. The accuracy leaves something to be desired in a varmint gun, usually 2-3 MOA, and this is mostly to do with the trigger and lightweight profile barrel. If you're going to buy a NR .223 rifle for Coyote hunting, look in to the Swiss Arms PE90 or H&K SL8.

 

[B!ngo]

Haha, touche man. I would never say ARs were undependable for fear of TexasPatriot.308 would come up to Canada to kick my ass up between my ears in the name of America, but triggers on the FS2000 and Tavor and all the bullpups I've used really haven't been any good.

Have you tried the RFB? That one actually feels like a two-stage AR trigger and not terrible. Still not great.

Actually the RFB is on my list. My only issue is that I both admire and fear the Kel-Tec folks. Seems like they're in it for the experiment, not to be in a business. Never many units for sale, seems like they ship the beta version and then move on to something that interests them more.
But I am drawn to their stuff due to the design work. I haven't gotten my hands on one yet, but hope to give one a go.

 

[C'Thulhu]

OP, as long as it feeds a reliable hunting bullet and shoots well in your hands, there is nothing wrong with using it for coyotes or other varmints. I wouldn't say it's particularly suited for the job, but thats hardly a reason to not use it.

As for the general comments on bull pup triggers, I think some people are 'spoiled' by the AR in this regard. Most other rifles don't have a trigger as nice, and the majority of bull pups fit in just fine there. The FS2000 isn't the nicest trigger, but I never have a problem with it. The RFB is the nicest bull pup I've handled though in that department, that is true.

 

[MistWolf]

...I think some people are 'spoiled' by the AR in this regard. Most other rifles don't have a trigger as nice...

Er, yeeeaaaah.... Actually, of all the rifles I've owned & shot, I would not rate the trigger of the AR being anywhere near the nicest. Matter of fact, few stock triggers are worse for grittiness, heaviness, creep, backlash and reset. One trigger that comes to mind is the stock H&K trigger and the triger a couple of FALs I've shot. Even the non-adjustable triggers of the of Ruger M77s I've shot were better than those found on an AR.

The Geisslelle SSA-E, on the other hand, is a very good trigger

 

[C'Thulhu]

Well, then I must be used to rather atrocious triggers.

 

[Prince Yamato]

Can .223 kill coyote? Yes.
Is the Tavor available in .223? Yes.
Therefore Tavoris a good coyote rifle.