teachers who can't do

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Tiger Woods has a golf coach, and you don't know his name

We don't know whether that coach uses for training tools though. He could be a demonstrator, could be a talker, could use visual aids. Could use all three.

It's also quite possible that Tiger, the student, understands what to hell the guy is talking about as he's not a neophyte to begin with.

Lets take defensive edged weapons training. Hand me a written manual and explain what the manual describes as a "cats claw" technique, or the same with an 8 count flow drill, I'll not get proficient in either until it's demonstrated, and I've tried then repeated it numerous times, being corrected both with visual demonstrations from the instructor and further practice with the trainer demonstrating physically the nuances I"ve missed in those skills where wrist, arm and body movements are concerned.

As others have mentioned, you learn best from input from all three sources, not just verballly listening to instructions.

Brownie
 
"Those who can, do - those who can't, teach"

The origin of this phrase goes back to British fighter-pilots during WWII - "those who can't, teach" refers to those veteran pilots too shot-up to partake in combat themselves, but they could still distill and pass along their hard-earned experiences to the younger pilots.
 
It depends on the subject matter.

A good instructor will have a inmate knowledge of the subject matter and be able to communicate with the various learning types and reach all of his students at their level. This instructor will convey his message in a manner that is easily understood and applied by his students. The instructor must also be able to employ reasoning skills and diagnose a wide range of problems that their shooters will experience and have the answer on how to fix it.

Most of the time experience provides the answers to the really hard problems. However just because the person is good at something does not mean that they are good at conveying the necessary information to the student. Combine experience with ability to teach then you have a excellent instructor.
 
What makes a good teacher for you may not make a good teacher for me. Some folks deal with certain types of individuals much better than others. For example I coach elementary basketball, and youth soccer. I have been very successful with taking kids who are good athletes and getting them interested and motivated to work hard, improve, and have won several soccer league championships, and have been very competitive with teams that we not considered a threat at the beginning of the season. That said I am NOT as good a coach for a very mature team. I like dealing with kids who are not finished, kids I can see make tons of progress very quickly. My youngest son has played on a travel BBall team for the last 4 years. They are young kids but very solid players, a buddy of mine coaches them and honestly he does a better job with them than I would, but if you gave him my teams and he would be miserable as would they.
 
"those who can't, teach" refers to those veteran pilots too shot-up to partake in combat themselves, but they could still distill and pass along their hard-earned experiences to the younger pilots.

7677 posted:

Combine experience with ability to teach then you have a excellent instructor.

THe fighter pilots had experience in that field, learned hard lessons and were able to impart those lessons to others in the same vocation so they might not make the same mistakes.

Brownie
 
I've seen many good instructors who could no longer perform at peak levels due to age or physical disability.

I've also seen highly skilled people at the peak of their abilities who couldn't teach a lick.
 
asked a 4th way: as a student, do you measure the value of what you learn in classes based on how impressive the teacher's skills are? or on the academic or theoretical merits? or by reputation?
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As a student, instructor qualifications inspire confidence - but the source material is also important. If I'm being taught a system that originated from a drunken Dean Martin running through the Sands with a cap pistol, I'm going to be suspicious no matter who the instructor is. Consider source material, then the instructor.
Try and find out exactly how this training system was thought up - was it from watching episodes of the A-Team, was it from studying shootings, studying shooting competitions?
 
I look at the guys guns. You can tell the difference between used and loved and bought but fired rarely. That and the old guy taking shots at a paper plate at the 200 yard line with the .22 pistol with open sights and making them is probably the one to ask for advice.
 
About what - Viagra? That's rather a cliche. Like fear the man with only one gun. Blah, blah. Cranky, I am!

Besides an old guy probably can't see the target and the open sights at 200 yards! Fear the guy with bifocals.
 
I am a teacher, and currently I am in a long term sub position. By license and education, I am a history teacher, but for this job, I am teaching woodshop and science.

I haven't cracked a science book since 1990, but I can teach science pretty well because A: I study the material before I teach it, and B: I am smart enough to know that I am not smart enough in this area to always be right. There have been occasions where I have been wrong, and I use that to turn it around on the kids, IE "Explain to me where I am going wrong with this concept". The kids enjoy pointing out every minor error I make, so they work surprisingly (and annoyingly) hard at showing me why I am a dunce. To be honest, it also helps that I get a teachers edition book, because I couldn't qoute Bernoulli's principle off the top of my head for 100 million dollars in cash...

My point is, you don't necessarily have to be an expert to teach something pretty well, but you DO have to be able to recognize your shortcomings and adapt to them. I have taught lots of people to shoot, and have been pretty successful at it, but I am by no means a firearms instructor or an expert in the field. What I do have is enough knowledge of basic marksmanship skills and more than a few years of experience behind me, so I think I have something to offer, and I do what I can.
 
there are people who are geniuses with complete mastery of their prospective field(s) yet they have no ability to relate with other people and teach.
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That is true. Jelly Bryce, probably the greatest unsung gunfighter in FBI history could not teach his almost supernatural shooting ability. Although the famous "FBI crouch" shooting stance was copied from his repertoire, nothing else much was able to be gleaned from him although they tried to get him to teach them.
 
I believe that the problem with most teachers, instructors and even corporate marketing material is lack of perspective.

Use plenty of real-life example to which people can relate and you'll have them - humour works wonderfully, especially if you the instructor can point out "why" one should do things in a certain way or sequence as in "When I screwed up and did it this way, XYZ happened...".
 
Jelly Bryce, probably the greatest unsung gunfighter in FBI history could not teach his almost supernatural shooting ability. Although the famous "FBI crouch" shooting stance was copied from his repertoire, nothing else much was able to be gleaned from him although they tried to get him to teach them.

One of our members here was actually trained by Bryce. He may chime in if he sees this about what he gleaned from him. It was quite substantial though.

Check this thread on the link about Bryce, he weighs in on his knowledge of this subject where Bryce is concerned. There's also another link within this one that directs people to more of his thoughts on Bryce's training, don't miss it.

http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/showthread.php?t=1508

The other link:

http://www.threatfocused.com/forums/showthread.php?t=538

Brownie
 
Thanks, Brownie - that was interesting. I posted the old Life article on one of these sites years ago, complete with the pix.
 
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I wonder if I pulled it from your writings from the article in Life. I found it somewhere on the net some time ago, and knew one of our TFF members had trained with him.

I found the information very interesting. Particularly where he practiced his drawstroke for hours in front of a mirror. Many think being fast out of the holster is not that important, but if you look at the modern day gunfighters, they all had greased lightning drawspeed which saved their butts on numerous ocassions.

I agree with their assesment and practice quite regularly on getting the drawstroke to be a blur to first shot. Bryce was known to have a .40 drawstroke to first shot from holster. The ITFTS classes I put on partially works on getting people to very good speed from the holster with EU/ED, QK hip, and the zipper skills. Most are amazed what they can get to in short order.

There's an article written on this ITFTS drawing to threat training [ and the mindset behind how to draw with speed ] in an issue of concealed carry magazine. In that article, you'll notice the term "drive the gun to the target" which the author learned while training with me out here in the desert back in the spring. Others are now using that "term" as well.

Simply amazing, and something not many will get to without some serious work. Glad you enjoyed the links and information

Brownie
 

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I am a teacher and part of my EdS dissertation dealt with the evaluation of teachers. Recently I attended a training session which dealt with handguns for self defense. I do not know if the instructor was an expert or not.He was a superb instructor from whom I learned a lot. That knowledge may save my life some day.I don't remember his name, but on THR he is referred to as Booner.(I think)
 
I was an Air Traffic Controller for 14 years. The job relies on On The Job Training to spool up new people. Some of the best Instructors were mediocre controllers. They tended to have more patience with mistakes, and knew just how far to let a student get before reeling them back in. Some of the best controllers tended to feel that new people should already know what they were being taught, and would let them get in way too deep for it to be constructive.
 
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