Diamondback
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Ted Nugent needs some help...
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Look, Bogie - I've never gotten in your face before; why are you deliberately using inflamatory language against somebody with a long history of being on the right side?
Zumbo got caught giving his true views to his "true believer" audience and found out the world of the Internet is a lot bigger than he knew. I'd never heard of Zumbo before this but know the type. At the shotgun range unless you show up with a Krieghof, certain individuals will give you the sneer like you haven't had a bath lately. Zumbo, a public figure, used his bully pulpit to bash other gun owners even calling for a ban for certain firearms and you seem to think that's a minor thing. He has 1000% more visibility than any of us and he needs to do some public act to prove he is "upgraded."
These same influential guys are squealing like little girls now that their actions have had an effect on their pocketbooks. They are grownups. Let them pay for their fun like everybody else has to.
Ted Nugent deserves to swing right along side Zumbo if he doesn't know any better. We are not all the names Nugent used to describe us, are we? :banghead:
Diamondback6
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OK, now for the OTHER rattlesnake in Seattle's take: When shooters fight, Bradies win. I'm not ready to trust Mr. Zumbo yet, but I am willing to give him a chance to prove his "conversion" to the "2A Gospel."
I once thought as he did before. After a couple years, I saw the light and now am solidly in the "any gun-anytime-anywhere" camp. Are you going to call for a "FIRE MISSION" against ME, too? Go ahead--I haven't used my fangs in a while, they could probably use the exercise...
This thread is certainly not very "High Road" so far. Bogie & Co., round of applause to y'all for trying to drag it back in.
For the rest of you who are actually THINKING, I've drafted a note I'm thinking of sending on this, and I'd like some advice on tone and wordsmithing:
[sender/recipient block here]
Mr. Luth, I believe some key tactical factors are being overlooked in your debate about retaining Ted Nugent.
First, if the people who've been sieging you with "Ditch the Nuge" emails are truly Militant Hoplophobes (commonly known as "anti-gunners"), there is nothing you can possibly do to appease them. They want you out of business, plain and simple, will stop at nothing to achieve that goal, and will take chunks out of you at every opportunity to weaken you in preparation for the Big Push. Them trying to say "Get Rid of Nugent or We Won't Buy From You" is something straight out of Monty Python: "Stop! Or I'll Yell 'Stop!' Again!" Or, in this case: "Dump Nuge or we won't buy anything from you! Oh wait, we don't buy anything from you anyway..."
Let me point out for the record that I am not a Nuge fan, I am certainly not one of the "BloodBrothers" from NugeBoard. Nor am I really a Black Rifle fan; being a WWII-history aficionado, I'd much rather have a Garand or M1 Carbine. (Although I do plan to have a couple AR-type irons around just in case...) What I am is an analyst, historian, tactician and sometime psychology student who has been watching the Jim Zumbo/Ted Nugent "Black Rifles vs. 'Traditional Sporting Arms'" situation develop with great concern. It strikes me that we're observing a school of sharks with blood in the water on both sides, from the more extreme members of the AR community, as well as the fanatical "traditionalists." Nuge is trying to help Mr. Zumbo and a lot of other people get out of the water and focus on the real problem, and certain elements at both AR15.com and various hunting-community sites are only having the effect, perhaps intentionally so, of just dumping blood and chum by the oil-tanker-load into these shark-infested waters. (Part of me wonders if some of these people aren't Militant Hoplophobes acting as classic agents provocateur.)
With HR 1022 proposing to (if not totally, very close to it) end your business in the non-government firearms market, right now the arms industry needs all the friends it can get.
Mr. Zumbo has now taken a position strongly supporting ALL firearms rights with a proclaimed zeal to rival the religiously converted. He might even, in tandem with Nugent, represent a unique opportunity for a marketing campaign: "Think AR's aren't for hunting? THINK AGAIN", or something like that, or maybe an Oleg Volk-style juxtaposition of a fully-geared-up AR on one side and a scoped deer rifle on the other with a caption like "These Today. And These Tomorrow. A Threat To One Gunowner's Rights Is A Threat To All."
When "Traditional Hunters" and "Black Rifle Guys", indeed when ANY two factions within the arms community go to war with each other, the Militant Hoplophobes ae the only winners. Everybody else loses, it's just a question of when. Consider these words from German "enemy of the Reich" and concentration-camp survivor Martin Niemoeller:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
If we only change those words by replacing groups of people with groups of arms, we can see exactly where the Militant Hoplophobes intend to go and how they intend to do it. Ted Nugent may be colorful, perhaps sometimes a little too much so, but he's like George Patton: a pain in the neck at times, but definitely someone you want on your side when there's a tough fight ahead.
I cannot guarantee I will ever buy an AR, nor that any I buy will be from you, but I can guarantee one thing for certain: If you throw Ted Nugent to the wolves and I ever buy an AR, it will not be a DPMS. Under this scenario, even if I don't enter the AR market, I would advise friends and clients of mine who ARE to not do business with you.
However, if you decide against the "fair-weather friend" path, I can also guarantee that you will still have a chance for my business, perhaps even a better probability for it. Along with my recommendation to said AR-aficionado friends and clients that "DPMS Panther Arms is a friend of the Second Amendment community."
Do the math, sir:
Option "Ditch." Militant Hoplophobe: not buying from you. Me/mine: not buying from you. Net sales: ZERO, perhaps even some loss of possible sales.
Option "No-Ditch." MH: not buying from you. Me/mine: still a good chance of a sale. Net sales: none guaranteed, but still possibility of several.
Bottom Line: A chance at something beats a guarantee of nothing, right?
Sincerely,
REDACTED
"Diamondback6" at TheHighRoad.Org
"Diamondback" at AmBackForum.com
This, I think, is how threatening the wallet is DONE.
I once thought as he did before. After a couple years, I saw the light and now am solidly in the "any gun-anytime-anywhere" camp. Are you going to call for a "FIRE MISSION" against ME, too? Go ahead--I haven't used my fangs in a while, they could probably use the exercise...
This thread is certainly not very "High Road" so far. Bogie & Co., round of applause to y'all for trying to drag it back in.
For the rest of you who are actually THINKING, I've drafted a note I'm thinking of sending on this, and I'd like some advice on tone and wordsmithing:
[sender/recipient block here]
Mr. Luth, I believe some key tactical factors are being overlooked in your debate about retaining Ted Nugent.
First, if the people who've been sieging you with "Ditch the Nuge" emails are truly Militant Hoplophobes (commonly known as "anti-gunners"), there is nothing you can possibly do to appease them. They want you out of business, plain and simple, will stop at nothing to achieve that goal, and will take chunks out of you at every opportunity to weaken you in preparation for the Big Push. Them trying to say "Get Rid of Nugent or We Won't Buy From You" is something straight out of Monty Python: "Stop! Or I'll Yell 'Stop!' Again!" Or, in this case: "Dump Nuge or we won't buy anything from you! Oh wait, we don't buy anything from you anyway..."
Let me point out for the record that I am not a Nuge fan, I am certainly not one of the "BloodBrothers" from NugeBoard. Nor am I really a Black Rifle fan; being a WWII-history aficionado, I'd much rather have a Garand or M1 Carbine. (Although I do plan to have a couple AR-type irons around just in case...) What I am is an analyst, historian, tactician and sometime psychology student who has been watching the Jim Zumbo/Ted Nugent "Black Rifles vs. 'Traditional Sporting Arms'" situation develop with great concern. It strikes me that we're observing a school of sharks with blood in the water on both sides, from the more extreme members of the AR community, as well as the fanatical "traditionalists." Nuge is trying to help Mr. Zumbo and a lot of other people get out of the water and focus on the real problem, and certain elements at both AR15.com and various hunting-community sites are only having the effect, perhaps intentionally so, of just dumping blood and chum by the oil-tanker-load into these shark-infested waters. (Part of me wonders if some of these people aren't Militant Hoplophobes acting as classic agents provocateur.)
With HR 1022 proposing to (if not totally, very close to it) end your business in the non-government firearms market, right now the arms industry needs all the friends it can get.
Mr. Zumbo has now taken a position strongly supporting ALL firearms rights with a proclaimed zeal to rival the religiously converted. He might even, in tandem with Nugent, represent a unique opportunity for a marketing campaign: "Think AR's aren't for hunting? THINK AGAIN", or something like that, or maybe an Oleg Volk-style juxtaposition of a fully-geared-up AR on one side and a scoped deer rifle on the other with a caption like "These Today. And These Tomorrow. A Threat To One Gunowner's Rights Is A Threat To All."
When "Traditional Hunters" and "Black Rifle Guys", indeed when ANY two factions within the arms community go to war with each other, the Militant Hoplophobes ae the only winners. Everybody else loses, it's just a question of when. Consider these words from German "enemy of the Reich" and concentration-camp survivor Martin Niemoeller:
First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
If we only change those words by replacing groups of people with groups of arms, we can see exactly where the Militant Hoplophobes intend to go and how they intend to do it. Ted Nugent may be colorful, perhaps sometimes a little too much so, but he's like George Patton: a pain in the neck at times, but definitely someone you want on your side when there's a tough fight ahead.
I cannot guarantee I will ever buy an AR, nor that any I buy will be from you, but I can guarantee one thing for certain: If you throw Ted Nugent to the wolves and I ever buy an AR, it will not be a DPMS. Under this scenario, even if I don't enter the AR market, I would advise friends and clients of mine who ARE to not do business with you.
However, if you decide against the "fair-weather friend" path, I can also guarantee that you will still have a chance for my business, perhaps even a better probability for it. Along with my recommendation to said AR-aficionado friends and clients that "DPMS Panther Arms is a friend of the Second Amendment community."
Do the math, sir:
Option "Ditch." Militant Hoplophobe: not buying from you. Me/mine: not buying from you. Net sales: ZERO, perhaps even some loss of possible sales.
Option "No-Ditch." MH: not buying from you. Me/mine: still a good chance of a sale. Net sales: none guaranteed, but still possibility of several.
Bottom Line: A chance at something beats a guarantee of nothing, right?
Sincerely,
REDACTED
"Diamondback6" at TheHighRoad.Org
"Diamondback" at AmBackForum.com
This, I think, is how threatening the wallet is DONE.
I followed the Zumbo affair,for the record I think he is sorry he got caught. I did send an email asking Field and Stream to dump Petzal who is worse than Zumbo. Along the way I was exposed to Nugent,who is apparently a raving loon. I'll be emailing DPMS and telling them as a customer I would appreciate it if they sponsored someone else with their money. From everything I've seen Nugent is a public relations disaster. If we are going to have someone acting as a representative for the RKBA they need to be articulate and in control of their mental faculties. This is only my opinion,but I believe it to be valid reasoning based on what I've seen.
Sincerely,
TWBryan
Sincerely,
TWBryan
Diamondback6
Member
BigG, I wasn't accusing ANYONE of being a deep-cover infiltrator, just acknowledging it as a POSSIBILITY.
My commentary about antis firing on DPMS was basaed on the original post
What I WILL quite openly accuse many people, here, at ARFcom, and on the other side alike, of is ALLOWING THEIR EMOTIONS (and maybe the "blood-in-the-water" effect) TO CLOUD THEIR JUDGMENT.
In order to persuade people, you need both "carrot" AND "stick". What I've seen here is "all stick, no carrot." And if you give too much "stick", sometimes you just provoke it to be taken out of your hand and served upside your head (or delivered to a less-pleasant receptacle).
Maybe it's just my deficiency of them, but it is very definitely a growing belief in my mind that human emotions are the root of many, if not most, of the world we live in's problems.
If someone knows there's no avenue to redeem themselves, what incentive do they ever have to re-evaluate their position and join the right side? Those who intend to destroy me NOW are a threat to be dealt with NOW, using any means and any allies, however temporary they may be, available. Those who would destroy me LATER, I'll deal with LATER, when I have assembled sufficient other "tools and resources" to do so.
C'mon. Start using some logic. "The enemy of my enemy, while he may or may not be a friend, is certainly a useful asset to have on my side. If he is an enemy later, that is a problem for another day." Right now, Zumbo has declared himself to be "the enemy of our enemy." I'm not saying "embrace him," I'm saying "give the man a chance. If he's with us, great; if not, he's been given more rope to hang himself with."
Like I said, when Traditionalists and Black Rifle-eers fight, Bradyites are the only winners.
Ask yourself this: "What impression would the gun-neutral get from reading my post? Am I encouraging them in, or driving them away?"
I lurked for an easy month before I joined THR, we must assume that there are non-members reading everything we post. And if we're not careful, we just drive potential allies and converts away, and even hand the Bradyites a stick to forcibly insert up our "less-pleasant receptacle."
Less emotion, more reason. Dial back that frontal-lobe action, and let your occipital, parietal and temporal get a nice warmup or workout.**
**If anyone really wants to discuss the neurobiology behind this comment, PM me and I'll explain there. Bogie, you on for backup on the explanation? (We and Jim March have something in common... PM if I'm being too cryptic.)
My commentary about antis firing on DPMS was basaed on the original post
What I WILL quite openly accuse many people, here, at ARFcom, and on the other side alike, of is ALLOWING THEIR EMOTIONS (and maybe the "blood-in-the-water" effect) TO CLOUD THEIR JUDGMENT.
In order to persuade people, you need both "carrot" AND "stick". What I've seen here is "all stick, no carrot." And if you give too much "stick", sometimes you just provoke it to be taken out of your hand and served upside your head (or delivered to a less-pleasant receptacle).
Maybe it's just my deficiency of them, but it is very definitely a growing belief in my mind that human emotions are the root of many, if not most, of the world we live in's problems.
If someone knows there's no avenue to redeem themselves, what incentive do they ever have to re-evaluate their position and join the right side? Those who intend to destroy me NOW are a threat to be dealt with NOW, using any means and any allies, however temporary they may be, available. Those who would destroy me LATER, I'll deal with LATER, when I have assembled sufficient other "tools and resources" to do so.
C'mon. Start using some logic. "The enemy of my enemy, while he may or may not be a friend, is certainly a useful asset to have on my side. If he is an enemy later, that is a problem for another day." Right now, Zumbo has declared himself to be "the enemy of our enemy." I'm not saying "embrace him," I'm saying "give the man a chance. If he's with us, great; if not, he's been given more rope to hang himself with."
Like I said, when Traditionalists and Black Rifle-eers fight, Bradyites are the only winners.
Ask yourself this: "What impression would the gun-neutral get from reading my post? Am I encouraging them in, or driving them away?"
I lurked for an easy month before I joined THR, we must assume that there are non-members reading everything we post. And if we're not careful, we just drive potential allies and converts away, and even hand the Bradyites a stick to forcibly insert up our "less-pleasant receptacle."
Less emotion, more reason. Dial back that frontal-lobe action, and let your occipital, parietal and temporal get a nice warmup or workout.**
**If anyone really wants to discuss the neurobiology behind this comment, PM me and I'll explain there. Bogie, you on for backup on the explanation? (We and Jim March have something in common... PM if I'm being too cryptic.)
BigFatKen
Member
He said what he thinks. If he removed anti-Zumbo posts, that is not what a forum is for.
Zumbo said what he thinks. It runs like this; "Get a nice bolt like me and be normal". Not a quote, but my translation.
I started a post a year ago about "Remember when......". It may have been my favorite. In 1962 my nephew rode the Milwaukee city bus to the range with a .22 in a case. OK. Not a second look. I pedaled my bike with an uncased bow and quiver of arrows. OK.
Lately, Zumbo would have people who are seen in public, at a piece of Public hunting land with EBRs be called "terrorists" because someone might be offended.
I will put Zumbo "on probation". We will see in a year or two how many pro 2A PSA's he does.
XavierBreath
Member
I think Ted Nugent should first start using plain English if he intends to be an ambassador for the 2nd amendment. I still do not understand what this elusive upgrade concept of his is. Frankly I do not care either. I have a hard time reading his mispelled words and incomplete sentences. In fact I usually just dismiss this type of writing as the rantings of someone who does not care enough about their ideas to present them in a legible form.
I would like to see the Zumbo matter put to rest, one way or the other. Ted is insisting on forcing his ideas of the matter, based on his personal relationship with Jim Zumbo, down everyone else's throat. That is wrong. The RTKBA movement seems to have many self appointed leaders who fail to understand those they presume to represent. Ted Nugent has alienated many gun owners himself with his wild man antics over the years. He is finally seeing that. If he loses his own sponsors, perhaps he will tone down his rhetoric and start listening before he speaks as well.
Ted's words:
I suppose THR is Nugent's idea of a "hippie turd chewing bubba drunka$$ website". But hey........at least we can spell here. Ted gets no help from me.
FWIW, DPMS can be contacted directly, without the correspondence being filtered.
DPMS - Panther Arms
3312 12th Street SE,
St. Cloud, MN 56304
Phone (320) 258-4448
Fax (320) 258-4449
Toll-Free 1-800-578-3767
Email [email protected]
I would like to see the Zumbo matter put to rest, one way or the other. Ted is insisting on forcing his ideas of the matter, based on his personal relationship with Jim Zumbo, down everyone else's throat. That is wrong. The RTKBA movement seems to have many self appointed leaders who fail to understand those they presume to represent. Ted Nugent has alienated many gun owners himself with his wild man antics over the years. He is finally seeing that. If he loses his own sponsors, perhaps he will tone down his rhetoric and start listening before he speaks as well.
Ted's words:
I suppose THR is Nugent's idea of a "hippie turd chewing bubba drunka$$ website". But hey........at least we can spell here. Ted gets no help from me.
FWIW, DPMS can be contacted directly, without the correspondence being filtered.
DPMS - Panther Arms
3312 12th Street SE,
St. Cloud, MN 56304
Phone (320) 258-4448
Fax (320) 258-4449
Toll-Free 1-800-578-3767
Email [email protected]
koja48
member
I, too would like to never read another negative Zumbo-related entry. I hope to see his continued effort to right however much of the wrong he precipitated & would prefer that our circled wagons remain intact, without a noticeable gap created when wagons carrying proponents of firearm types other than those I may personally prefer opt to form their own circle. All the camps will be attacked eventually. It is time to move on, and in a positive manner.
I don't want people like Nugent representing me. Take a trip to the Nuge Board and you will see statements like:
Quote:
"he is truly sorry. ya hafta be a real putz to ignore that. I have personally promised to kill him if he wavers. with a blackrifle."
If you disagree with Nugent he will call you names or curse you! If Zumbo wants my respect he will have to do more than shoot with Nugent, he will have to earn it.
Quote:
"he is truly sorry. ya hafta be a real putz to ignore that. I have personally promised to kill him if he wavers. with a blackrifle."
If you disagree with Nugent he will call you names or curse you! If Zumbo wants my respect he will have to do more than shoot with Nugent, he will have to earn it.
BigFatKen
Member
Wanted "Ted or Alive"
The last event, as shown on TV, had Ted shoot one of the deer on his ranch with a bolt rifle. The finale was a shootout between the two finalists. They used semi-auto paintball guns. The most aggressive person won, by the way.
If Ted is reformed, the next show should have an EBR to shoot one of the wild boars on his ranch and the last four finalists breaking up into two person fire squads and the team that "kills" the most terorist targets is the winner. Like the last one-on-one shootout, fire and maneuver will be important.
Weapons choices would reveal a lot. If the finalists are issued
1) One person ges a fully auto rifle and
2) The partner gets two lessor "evil" weapons (insert choice here, mine is a long black shotgun and Glock 18), then.......
If he can get that on TV, Ted is reformed.
Now this crossed in the posts, this reads like Gabby Johnson in Blazing Saddles, who can argue with that.
The last event, as shown on TV, had Ted shoot one of the deer on his ranch with a bolt rifle. The finale was a shootout between the two finalists. They used semi-auto paintball guns. The most aggressive person won, by the way.
If Ted is reformed, the next show should have an EBR to shoot one of the wild boars on his ranch and the last four finalists breaking up into two person fire squads and the team that "kills" the most terorist targets is the winner. Like the last one-on-one shootout, fire and maneuver will be important.
Weapons choices would reveal a lot. If the finalists are issued
1) One person ges a fully auto rifle and
2) The partner gets two lessor "evil" weapons (insert choice here, mine is a long black shotgun and Glock 18), then.......
If he can get that on TV, Ted is reformed.
Now this crossed in the posts, this reads like Gabby Johnson in Blazing Saddles, who can argue with that.
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molonlabe
Member
Ted needs help..
With spelling
with the English language
With sentence structure
With expressing concepts
With the company he keeps
people should not post when stoned.
With spelling
with the English language
With sentence structure
With expressing concepts
With the company he keeps
people should not post when stoned.
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I hope you guys understand - I never said don't forgive Zumbo. I just don't believe in hugging up with him, as many have seemed to advise. Zumbo needs to put some actions forth now to prove his heart is changed. Ted Nugent's attitude is a surprise although I think he is letting emotions cloud his judgment. The damage those public figures can do with their bully pulpits is huge.
FMJMIKE
Member
If you are going to be childish and start calling people names then be prepared to suffer the consequences. I do not even own an AR-15 but I highly resent their owners being called "Terrorists". And I don't believe a person who said that would utterly change their opinion so quickly unless there were dollar signs involved somewhere. Zumbo can take a flying leap in my humble opinion. As to Mr. Nugent...... Again.....Name calling. He will suffer the consequences also. I don't believe our right to have guns will sink or swim based on these two guys. Call and write your Senators and Congressmen. NOW!!!
Molon Labe
Member
What is this, a sewing circle?
"Did you hear what Nugent said?" "Did you hear what Zumbo said?"
Who cares. The time you're wasting discussing this stupid issue would be much better spent doing something else.
"Did you hear what Nugent said?" "Did you hear what Zumbo said?"
Who cares. The time you're wasting discussing this stupid issue would be much better spent doing something else.
feedthehogs
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The big difference is Zumbo knew better.
I'd much rather have a reformed gun hating liberal on my side than an agent provocature.
To those that seem to be in some sort of love fest with Zumbo and "The Nuge"(how 12 year old), we were not the ones who have labeled 2nd amendment supporters of all types of firearms terrorists, hippies, lunatics and other colorfull names.
This is in no way "dividing" the side of 2nd amendment supporters.
It is bringing us closer together and weeding out those who are willing to compromise the 2nd amendment.
It is showing the Brady people that we take no prisoners and show no mercy to those that would sell us out. Including those who are supposed to be joined with us.
Nugents next.
bogie
Member
Some of this sounds SO damn brilliant. Which of you works for Brady? Because your object seems to be to further widen the schism (that's a word that means "gap") which exists in the gun culture. Not to close it.
Zumbo has gone to confession. Now he's gotta do pennance. How's he do 48,000 stations of the cross if you don't let him in the church?
(hey, if you're catholic, you understand... Heck, I had a friend a coupla years back who musta REALLY screwed up... He showed up one day, and said that his priest suggested that he do some missionary work. At Mother Theresa's in India. And off he went...)
Zumbo has gone to confession. Now he's gotta do pennance. How's he do 48,000 stations of the cross if you don't let him in the church?
(hey, if you're catholic, you understand... Heck, I had a friend a coupla years back who musta REALLY screwed up... He showed up one day, and said that his priest suggested that he do some missionary work. At Mother Theresa's in India. And off he went...)
TexasRifleman
Moderator Emeritus
Maybe you need to read the original blog again.
He most certainly did call for a government ban.
He flat out said they should be banned from hunting use. That means they have no "sporting purpose" which has always been the issue. Once the "great hunter Zumbo" says they have no sporting purpose that's the end.
Sorry, the damage is done, and Nugent needs to be careful as well.
Just because you are famous and can get more attention does not automatically promote you in rank to speak for all gun owners.
GunnyBob
Member
Zumbo has asked to be forgiven for his opinion. His opinion was that "assault weapons" had no place in hunting. I've yet to see a genuiine, say fella's, I was wrong, it does.
Fine. I forgive him for stating his opinion. But if he continues to believe what he said then he's certainly no friend of mine, and I and many others will act accordingly.
Anyone can do an about-face when the heat is on.
Fine. I forgive him for stating his opinion. But if he continues to believe what he said then he's certainly no friend of mine, and I and many others will act accordingly.
Anyone can do an about-face when the heat is on.
bogie
Member
Gunny, how do you define when the heat is off?
We need to heal. We need to turn this into something positive. And we CAN do that. We just need to quit taking shots at our own. Because he _is_ part of our culture.
And so are a LOT of other hunters. They're not malevolent. They're not stupid. They're just IGNORANT. Ignorant can be fixed. If you want to fix it.
We need to heal. We need to turn this into something positive. And we CAN do that. We just need to quit taking shots at our own. Because he _is_ part of our culture.
And so are a LOT of other hunters. They're not malevolent. They're not stupid. They're just IGNORANT. Ignorant can be fixed. If you want to fix it.
Zumbo is just another gun snob. He screwed the pooch when he went into print with his personal prejudices. I suspect that he has suffered a decline in mental capacity.
Nevertheless, Nugent showed quite a bit of courage stepping forth to help a friend. He is a man of principle and the bottom line is -The Nuge is gonna do what the Nuge is gonna do."
Nevertheless, Nugent showed quite a bit of courage stepping forth to help a friend. He is a man of principle and the bottom line is -The Nuge is gonna do what the Nuge is gonna do."
modifiedbrowning
Member
Posted by Bogie,
I for one, Sir, fully appreciate your attempt to unite the RKBA community.
Posted by Bogie,
Posted by Bogie,
Posted by Bogie,
I for one, Sir, fully appreciate your attempt to unite the RKBA community.
bogie
Member
Well, I get a trifle irritated at times.
We're playing right into the hands of the people who want 'em all gone. And I'm not talking about what Zumbo did two weeks ago. What you guys are doing and saying TODAY is what matters.
We're playing right into the hands of the people who want 'em all gone. And I'm not talking about what Zumbo did two weeks ago. What you guys are doing and saying TODAY is what matters.
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