Texas carry law question

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Jorg Nysgerrig said:
I meant Texas.
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Ah yes, this tripe again. Texas, the land of oppressive laws preventing you from exercising your firearms rights... The common claim of the ignorant and and intentionally uninformed.
 
Ah yes, this tripe again. Texas, the land of oppressive laws preventing you from exercising your firearms rights... The common claim of the ignorant and and intentionally uninformed.
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Come on, you've been on the board long enough to know that by any objective standard I'm not ignorant and, quite to the contrary, I'm extremely well informed on a wide variety of topics. When you factor that in with my devilishly handsome good looks and quick wit, it's clear to see why I'm in such high demand at dinner parties.

While carry laws of Texas are certainly mediocre at best (expensive permits/renewals, open carry drama, nutty signage laws, etc), one should be probably take this post as a knee-jerk reaction to having to endure a hundreds of "I'm glad I live in Texas" and "I know you asked about [any state of than Texas], but in Texas we..." responses to threads that aren't even tangentially related to the Lone Star state or its fine citizens, not to mention a myriad of posts targeted at CA, NY, IL, and other states residents asking why they would live in such a place and chastising those who would even consider visiting.
 
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As an aside, to date I do not know of any arrest or prosecution of anybody for violating a 30.06 sign.
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Correct. It's pretty hard to get arrested or prosecuted for criminal trespass unless you're really intent on being a major jerk or unless you've really overstepped the bounds of reasonable behavior. I've talked to a couple of LEOs about this and the usual first step when they arrive on the scene of a criminal trespass complaint is to ask the offender to leave. If the offender complies, that's the end of it.
Maybe he/she feels that gun owners and permit holder are honest law abiding citizens and posting a Non-Compliant sign is a simple way to get his message across without involving Law Enforcement?
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Actually, on a couple of occasions when I've mentioned to a business owner that a "No Guns" sign is non-compliant, they have replied that they're well aware of that fact and that they have done it because they know that a CHL holder will ignore the non-compliant signage while anti-gunners who don't know the law are placated by the presence of the sign.
Maybe he/she uses a non-compliant sign to keep the Activists from OCT out of his business while secretly allowing those that carry concealed their right to do so and at the same time, keeping Law Enforcement out of the picture?
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In that case, ignoring the sign when carrying concealed would be in accordance with his wishes, wouldn't it?
Maybe his/her insurance Co. requires a sign, but he/she does not agree and a non-compliant sign is the least offensive to his/her patrons?
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Same here. Are you arguing for or against ignoring non-compliant signage? It looks to me like you've presented arguments from both sides...
 
moxie said:
I'm glad I live in Texas, more than ever.
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Same here man. I love Texas. Jorg, you can grumple about how nutty things may seem here in Texas. But, let me tell ya...

Having formerly lived in a state (Maryland) with draconian gun laws and virtually no way for a citizen to obtain a carry permit I'll take a good old Texas any day. Goofy or not.
 
In what other state can you carry your CHL handgun into the state capitol building? Not only that, but by showing your CHL you don't have to stand in line to pass the ding-dong machine. "Welcome! Come right in!"
 
^ Art, Santa Fe, New Mexico and Olympia, Washington allow carry in their Capitol Buildings. I've carried in both. You don't have to show a CCW in either.

There are probably some other states.
 
Red Wind said:
I'vecarried in both. You don't have to show a CCW in either.
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What Art means, is that if you show your CHL at the Texas capital, you get to skip the normal security screening line that all the non-chl folks need to stand in. It's bonus points.
 
JohnKSa said:
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/Docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm#46.035

Sec. 46.035. UNLAWFUL CARRYING OF HANDGUN BY LICENSE HOLDER.
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(b) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, on or about the license holder's person:
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(4) on the premises of a hospital licensed under Chapter 241, Health and Safety Code, or on the premises of a nursing home licensed under Chapter 242, Health and Safety Code, unless the license holder has written authorization of the hospital or nursing home administration, as appropriate;

(5) in an amusement park; or

(6) on the premises of a church, synagogue, or other established place of religious worship.

(c) A license holder commits an offense if the license holder intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly carries a handgun under the authority of Subchapter H, Chapter 411, Government Code, regardless of whether the handgun is concealed, at any meeting of a governmental entity.
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(i) Subsections (b)(4), (b)(5), (b)(6), and (c) do not apply if the actor was not given effective notice under Section 30.06.
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I've known of this thing about churches for a while now, but what about churches with schools in them?

Monday through Friday will be anything from a day care to a full blown high school education inside. Is the whole church facility under the guise of a school when school is in session?

I truly wonder this as I do some work in churches on weekdays. In some of these large churches the school is only in one or two wings of the building.
 
What Art means, is that if you show your CHL at the Texas capital, you get to skip the normal security screening line that all the non-chl folks need to stand in. It's bonus points.
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I understand, Click. But at Santa Fe and Olympia ,you need show nothing, there are no guards checking , no screening, you walk right in with your gun and sit right down. See the difference?

No checks for anyone.

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Washington State Capitol Grounds
 
Man, this thread sure is wandering. I sure don't know how we got to Texas vs. the blue states here.

I do still wonder about the distinction of a church with no 30.06 signage and a church with a school in it with no 30.06 signage.
 
chicharrones,

I interpret that the facility is a school when in session.

field tester,

Sorry, I haven't seen any posts on the California situation. I was responding strictly to incorrect info re Texas.
 
chicharrones said:
Man, this thread sure is wandering. I sure don't know how we got to Texas vs. the blue states here.

I do still wonder about the distinction of a church with no 30.06 signage and a church with a school in it with no 30.06 signage.
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Off the cuff, I'd follow the Texas Penal Code, Chapter 46:

Sec. 46.03. PLACES WEAPONS PROHIBITED. (a) A person commits an offense if the person intentionally, knowingly, or recklessly possesses or goes with a firearm, illegal knife, club, or prohibited weapon listed in Section 46.05(a):
(1) on the physical premises of a school or educational institution, any grounds or building on which an activity sponsored by a school or educational institution is being conducted, or a passenger transportation vehicle of a school or educational institution, whether the school or educational institution is public or private, unless pursuant to written regulations or written authorization of the institution;
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You can download and read on page 46, Texas Concealed Handgun Laws,

http://www.txdps.state.tx.us/InternetForms/Forms/CHL-16.pdf

Or read it here,
http://www.statutes.legis.state.tx.us/docs/PE/htm/PE.46.htm

Hope that helps you out.
 
Field Tester said:
And yet so many say it about California and many more jump on the bandwagon. Vary rarely do you see reactions to people defending CA like you do in this thread.
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Not much to defend about CA; not their politics, economy, or lack of freedoms.

May as well include NY, NJ...heck, most of the northeast.

Eta: NY was home for 22 years and TX for 24 years now. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there to live. There may be better places but TX suits me fine.
 
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moxie said:
chicharrones,

I interpret that the facility is a school when in session.
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Apachedriver said:
Off the cuff, I'd follow the Texas Penal Code, Chapter 46:



You can download and read on page 46, Texas Concealed Handgun Laws,
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Thanks, y'all.

Some of the churches I walk into have certain areas virtually chained off for the school areas during school days. Since I always bypass those areas for what I have to work on, it sure would be convenient to consider the remainder of the building not a school.
 
Apachedriver said:
Not much to defend about CA; not their politics, economy, or lack of freedoms.

May as well include NY, NJ...heck, most of the northeast.

Eta: NY was home for 22 years and TX for 24 years now. You couldn't pay me enough to go back there to live. There may be better places but TX suits me fine.
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Thank you for proving my earlier point.
 
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