The 336 Club

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I've only got one 336...It is an RC in .35 Rem from 1957...

As to the question posed to me back in 2014 that I missed:

Salmoneye, are you loading those one at a time in your rifle or do you load them from the magazine? My 336 in 35Rem can't load empties from the magazine without jamming (I have to take the rifle apart to un-jam it no less!).

My 1893 will cycle my round ball loads from the mag, but I have never tried it with my 336...
 
Over the last few months, since reuniting with my long (5 yr) stored 336,
and being nearly unable to part with it, especially at night,
i've started an exercise regime with it.

1. Unload your 336.

2. Double, then triple check that your 336 is unloaded.

3. Begin exercises.

3A. Lift it above your head multiple (maybe 30?) times w/ 1 hand.
3B. Lift it above your head 60X with 2 hands while doing squats.
3C. Check that your index finger is pointed straight outside the trigger guard,
but that your thumb is on the safety, and that you can click it off if necessary.
3D. Practice releasing the hammer down to half-cock while holding your rifle w/ one hand.

4A. Holding it in one hand, point it obliquely around your left/right side,
while rotating your core in the same direction.
4B. Repeat with the other hand.

5. I dunno. Pushups? How about 20?

6. Rapidly cycle your 336. If it doesn't,
then you need to take it down and butter it.

Set 2 & 3: repeat. Improvise.
 
Does a 444 count? Then I'm up to three currently. I'm still looking for a 32 WSP at the right price, and if I can find a good deal on a good 30-30, that will be a 7-30 Waters conversion.
 
Romeo, it does in my book. Keep us posted, and send some pics when you get them.

Speaking of pictures, Matt, that's a stunningly beautiful collection.

Which are the 336's? I'm used to seeing that 'squared' lever on 1894's. Did you replace the stock lever, or was that stock at one time?
 
I've been thinking more about the post I made last night above re 336 exercises.
I want to come back to that later this weekend, and explain the concept and context better.

Just a taste now. Ok, maybe a plate full, just for conversation.

Of course, this could be done with any rifle or shotgun -- even something large, like a mortar or bazooka (do militaries still use bazookas?), especially for fullback sized guys that press 250 -- but for me, it's most useful with my main rifle, and that's my 336(C). Besides, putting all four fingers in the lever adds to control. And of course, this is the 336 club, and topics need to be relevant to it. I think this is, and adds a new dimension to what we usually discuss on gun forums, a new dimension to our relationship with our rifles that I think is useful -- at least for me.

It's not my only exercise regime, just part of a larger one, based mainly on Ross Enamait's body weight and simple tool regime (if you've never checked him out, I recommend it; he's intense; fighter strength training; he advocates body weight squats; really, try doing 50 right now). My quasi-nomadic status for five years has prevented development of a good home gym with bar and dumbells (although I'm prone to have a 5' barbell), so I take the 24-hour Ghetto fitness approach (search that as "video"): use what ya got.

I'm also a student of stick martial arts, mainly Glenn Doyle (Irish walking sticks) and Kelly McCann, but also some bo staff (my walking stick is a 53" white waxwood), mostly improvised from Doyle's training. I often use heavy barbells to do exercises that mimic stick moves in slow motion to strengthen relevant muscles.

And that's where I'm going with the 336 exercises: strengthening muscles needed to handle it properly in a variety of positions, including not normal ones) and reduce fatigue --- I'll try to explain later, but maybe you get it. I'm trained in physiology, and have taught human A&P for medical students, and am interested in not only exercise -- including alternatives -- but also exercise physiology.

In a pinch, say if attacked by a gang of hooligans in the woods, in close quarters, that rifle can become a stick. A punch with the stock or a jab with the barrel would not feel good. (Of course, military and others who train in CQC know this.)

And it gets me up out of my chair in front of a laptop -- where I spend too much of my day (I'm a writer now making and editing videos) -- and moving, stretching, toning muscles while I hold my favorite rifle, getting familiar with it again, ready for the woods and range.

Yeah, something like that ...
 
AStone..They are from top to bottom: 1895, 336 TS, 336 TK, 336 LTS, 1894 P, 1894 CP, 39 A. I like short barrels and straight stocks on my leverguns....
 
Got my first 336 straight grip when I was 12 yo in 1963. Caliber- 35 Remington. Started my reloading career that very rifle in 1971. Now I have 2 of them.
 
AStone said:
Romeo, it does in my book. Keep us posted, and send some pics when you get them.
The 444 and the 375 are the same action as a 336, but they gave them their own names. I had been looking for a 1895 45-70, but I found a great deal on the 444, so I took it. The 45-70 has a lot better ammo variety, and ammo can be a little cheaper, but I load my own, and Hornady Interlock 265s are the only factory ammo I will need.
the 444 is quite nice, i believe everybody should have one.
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Which are the 336's? I'm used to seeing that 'squared' lever on 1894's. Did you replace the stock lever, or was that stock at one time?
The 1893 and then the model 36 had a squared lever like that. For some reason, they made the rounded lever on the 336 in the '50s, then switched back to squared in the early '70s.
 
I have a 336 in .35 Remington that I inherited from my father when he passed. I love the rifle but on very cold days I find my hand getting numb from cold due to the lever/handle having metal on it. If I wrap anything around the handle I am afraid it won't cycle correctly. I have only been hunting with the rifle on warmer days due to this problem as I hate wearing super thick gloves when hunting. On cold days I carry a Savage 110 so my hands don't get cold. Anyone have any ideas as to how I could cover the metal lever handle without hampering the action of the lever?
 
Bucks, what about a pair of lightweight leather or fleece gloves? Or are your hands too large for that? If so, then maybe consider one of the big loop levers. They're easy enough to change out -- so you can have one for cold weather, one for warm. Just a thought ...
 
I do wear gloves when I hunt with the rifle but due to the metal on the stock side of the lever being freezing cold it still gets through my gloves. I did google some more ideas yesterday and saw where a few guys and wrapped the side of the lever that touches the stock without affecting the action of the lever. I think I will try that first. I have some leather that I can wrap with at the house. I love the rifle and that seems to be the only reason I don't take it hunting as much as my Savage 110. I did shoot a doe with it last year and used the 200 grain Hornady Leverevolution bullets and it blew a fist sized hole all the way through the deer. Pretty impressive.
 
Great pics up there. I have three 336s in 30-30 and one .35 Rem. Like most of you, I love the straight stocks best, but don't mind the pistol grip every now and then.
 
Astone,

Look for some of the old US Army physical fitness excercises involving the M-14 or M-1 rifles. Not sure they are in the current "Physical Training" manuals.

They were among the least favorite of morning PT and there were moans and groans when we were told to draw rifles before "PT"

Positions? Not sure what you mean, but......When I was a high schooler and on a rifle team we were encouraged to watch our evening dose of '60s TV from the kneeling position so it became a "natural" (how can such be natural?) position for us. Amazingly if you kneel through a half hour sit com, a ten minute target on the rang is a snap. We were encouraged to have something to simulate the rifle in position and I watched TV much to the entertainment of my sister with an old Parris Kaydet rifle snugged into position and pointed at the TV.

Unfortunately a bad PLF under a Mae West and other interesting knee events have forever robbed me of the benefit of those old exercises and neither knee allows me to take up a kneel these days.

We also did a good three position style stand the same way and were encouraged to hold a bag of sugar or flour with the support hand the same way. This does not work as well but does help in that position.

You might also look at Bayonet fighting from Pre- 1970 with M-14s and earlier rifles AND after with the new "instinctive" system with the M-16A1. HOWEVER, many of those moves may well render your marlin a single shot when the magazine tube get crushed, say Parrying an enemy's blows. The titles of those manuals were "Combatives"

The sideways lever pumping comes mainly from an old Jimmy Stewart Movie I believe Winchester '76 were he and another guy speed shoot by turning the rifle to the left while working the action. The rifles were Winchester '73s and that does work with them AND some believe lessens the chance an ejected round will fall back in the action before it closes. This is an artifact of the original Henry design Winchesters and a Marlin....or even a Browning design Winchester, do not use those systems. Both the newer designs fail to benefit from being laid on their sides.

-kBob
 
A fine and informative post, kBob. Some good points made. Thanks.

To clarify briefly about "positions", I think your use of the term is probably more accurate than mine. But what I was referring to was, for example, is the position that my arms would be in for a standing shot, like you holding your rifle while watching a sitcom. Another one is just holding the rifle at low ready with one hand for as many minutes as I can before fatigue makes me lower it. It's that isometric element that strengthens those muscles.

Good recommendation about the training manuals.
 
16" Its a 336 Marauder.
Ruger, that makes me just want to have mine cut and crowned.
That must handle like a dream, even though I'm betting it changes the balance point a bit -- you know how balanced a 336 is when carried one handed by the receiver.

How does your Marauder shoot compared to a standard length barrel? Accuracy? Velocity? Or have you (or others) ever compared it?

I've read a bit about ballistic effects on .22 rifles, but can't remember if I've ever looked at data for .30-30 (or in your case, .35).
 
It shoots great with the Williams foolproof at 50 yards right on. I have always loved carrying it. It seems balanced to me. It seems to weigh more then you think. I wanted a short 30/30 and bought a Winchester trapper. It was a feather compared to my Marlin.
 
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