The black powder cartridge weapons in "Hostiles".

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Right, there were not any large scale actions, but that does not mean the conflicts were over. I would count any discharge of weapons by combat Army personnel at Indian targets on CONUS soil as being an encounter. I hate Wikipedia, but here is the listing of the 1918 fight involving the Army and the Yaquis in AZ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bear_Valley

Was it big? No. Did it occur 26 years after Wounded Knee? Yes.

Check out
https://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/huachuca/HI2-05.htm
Below is part of it
Reported from Douglas, Arizona, 'January 10, 1915, that a detachment of American Cavalry sent into Bear, Valley,' 25 miles west of Nogales to observe trails, clashed with a band of Yaqui Indians, captured ten, one of whom died in a hospital at Nogales of wound, according to a telegram from the commander at Nogales.(10)

This terse report from the commander of the Southern Department at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, to the War Department in Washington is the only official record of what some believe is the last fight between the U.S. Army and Indians.

Yaqui Indian Camp at Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico, in November 1915.

The Yaqui Indians of northern Sonora, Mexico, had for many years been fighting the Mexican government, insisting on their independence. They would commonly cross the border and migrate to Tucson where they would find work in the citrus groves. With their wages they would buy arms with which to fight their revolution and smuggle them back into Mexico. The military governor of Sonora, General Plutarco Elias Calles, had informally asked the U.S. government to help put a stop to that. gun-running.

The Indians route into the U.S. skirted the mining towns ot Ruby, Arivaca and Oro Blanco, not far from the U.S. Army's Camp Stephen D. Little at Nogales. The Indian presence had on several occasions alarmed miners and ranchers in the area who unexpectedly happened upon the Yaquis or found a cow or two butchered on the range. Accordingly, the Nogales subdistrict commander, Colonel J.C. Friers, 35th Infantry, ordered increased patrolling in this area.
 
while you were at it you may as well have reported on the second wounded knee. all major ingagements were over at the turn of the century between the Indians and the u.s. government.
 
if there had been federal leo,s at the turn of the century they would have been the ones to take care of the small out breaks, not the army
 
Right, there were not any large scale actions, but that does not mean the conflicts were over. I would count any discharge of weapons by combat Army personnel at Indian targets on CONUS soil as being an encounter. I hate Wikipedia, but here is the listing of the 1918 fight involving the Army and the Yaquis in AZ.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Bear_Valley

Was it big? No. Did it occur 26 years after Wounded Knee? Yes.
This is the very first time I even heard about this. Thank you for taking the time to share this .
 
The Spencer Rifle Co. folded in 1869. Remaining inventory went to France!
Even by 1876 the guns were wearing out with no source of parts and had been pulled from service in favor of the Springfield. Tough on Custer's outfit. .
By 1892 I doubt there were any on Army issue. I speculated that a junior officer bought a surplus carbine to supplement his revolver and sabre, but really it is just a neat movie prop.
 
Good, we're back on topic with the OP.

Made it in to see the film yesterday and thought it was very good.

Spencer seemed a stretch to me as well.
Must have been a family gun from Pa having served with it during the Civil War?
The Spencer in the film had a very 'washed out' look and the blueing on the rear sight was very much darker than the barrel.
Interestingly enough, neither the Spencer,the '86, or the Sharps' carbines were fired during the film.

I do get curious at times with the way films are done with regards to propmasters/gun wranglers/costumers and their budgets.
Looked as though pains were taken (to stay period correct) with costumes showing wear and them being made from authentic looking materials.
Same with the Mills belts, knives, boots etc.

So how hard would it have been to come up with two, or even ONE, trapdoor carbine?
Those poor actors spent the whole trip from New Mexico to Montana wearing Mills belts stuffed with 45-70s
and not a gun of that caliber in sight.

I'd have been dropping those cartridges like breadcrumbs to get rid of the weight and find my back.

JT
 
Interestingly enough, neither the Spencer,the '86, or the Sharps' carbines were fired during the film.

So how hard would it have been to come up with two, or even ONE, trapdoor carbine?
Those poor actors spent the whole trip from New Mexico to Montana wearing Mills belts stuffed with 45-70s
and not a gun of that caliber in sight.

Funny.
So, just another western movie prop department. Guns not actually anachronistic, but unlikely, and with the Josh Randall Syndrome.
 
My Dad remembered the day when a cavalry patrol stopped at the homestead in 1921 to water their horses at the windmill. The troopers were wearing khakis and carrying bolt action rifles in their scabbards.

They were looking for a bunch of "scallywags" that had jumped the Pine Ridge Reservation on a horse stealing raid. A hired hand who worked for my grandparents had seen an Indian about 5 miles away the day before.
 
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View attachment 777037 Just saw the movie today and really enjoyed it.
Just for the heck of it, here’s my Uberti 7th Cav model with all the correct stampings and cartouche. Those are my blacklowder cartridges.
Hey, nice looking revolver! The one I owned back in 2012 shot right on point of aim, and was very pleasant to shoot. I started wanting one of these way back when the MSRP was $379 ( around 1990 ).
 
Check out
https://net.lib.byu.edu/estu/wwi/comment/huachuca/HI2-05.htm
Below is part of it
Reported from Douglas, Arizona, 'January 10, 1915, that a detachment of American Cavalry sent into Bear, Valley,' 25 miles west of Nogales to observe trails, clashed with a band of Yaqui Indians, captured ten, one of whom died in a hospital at Nogales of wound, according to a telegram from the commander at Nogales.(10)

This terse report from the commander of the Southern Department at Fort Sam Houston, Texas, to the War Department in Washington is the only official record of what some believe is the last fight between the U.S. Army and Indians.

Yaqui Indian Camp at Agua Prieta, Sonora, Mexico, in November 1915.

The Yaqui Indians of northern Sonora, Mexico, had for many years been fighting the Mexican government, insisting on their independence. They would commonly cross the border and migrate to Tucson where they would find work in the citrus groves. With their wages they would buy arms with which to fight their revolution and smuggle them back into Mexico. The military governor of Sonora, General Plutarco Elias Calles, had informally asked the U.S. government to help put a stop to that. gun-running.

The Indians route into the U.S. skirted the mining towns ot Ruby, Arivaca and Oro Blanco, not far from the U.S. Army's Camp Stephen D. Little at Nogales. The Indian presence had on several occasions alarmed miners and ranchers in the area who unexpectedly happened upon the Yaquis or found a cow or two butchered on the range. Accordingly, the Nogales subdistrict commander, Colonel J.C. Friers, 35th Infantry, ordered increased patrolling in this area.


Two movies that loosely have elements of the Yaqui fights are 100 Rifles and The Wild Bunch which are set in the same general time frame of this last action. Both of these movies came out in 1969.
 
Good morning,
I wanted to catch this movie Sunday past at the local movie theater in Walsenburg. Missed it of course due to projects around the property. Spouse felt so bad for me that tickets were bought at the big theater up in Pueblo for Wednesday. Should be fun. I'll either have the whole theater to myself or a pack of old curmudgeons like myself to enjoy the film with *chuckles* '
regards all!
 
Good morning,
I wanted to catch this movie Sunday past at the local movie theater in Walsenburg. Missed it of course due to projects around the property. Spouse felt so bad for me that tickets were bought at the big theater up in Pueblo for Wednesday. Should be fun. I'll either have the whole theater to myself or a pack of old curmudgeons like myself to enjoy the film with *chuckles* '
regards all!
...and now you have to buy her dinner out,!
 
I remember seeing a Spencer repeater and thinking, they were withdrawn from service before Little Big Horn.

Also, the stock of the rifles slung over the shoulder of some soldiers were rather squarish and made me think of the Ruger 10/22 or Mini-14 stock.

One of the first soldiers I noticed was the black corporal. I thought it was 9th or 10th Cav, the cavalry regiments composed of buffalo soldiers. Then I see a "2" on the kepi of the sergeant and was thinking, the 2nd was a white unit and there were no racially integrated units back then. Oh well, enjoy the story.

BTW, the husband in the cabin should never have left the cabin to engage. He should have slammed and secured the doors and windows and fought them from behind cover. Advancing into the open was suicidal. Most Civil War veterans would not have left the safety of cover but I guess at the time frame in which it happened he was too young to have been a soldier in that war.
 
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Painless Wolf - I caught the flick at The Fox on Sunday. Small world! The Fox used to be $5 before it was renovated and now it's $7 with the balcony being closed. I like the balcony.
 
BTW, the husband in the cabin should never have left the cabin to engage. He should have slammed and secured the doors and windows and fought them from behind cover. Advancing into the open was suicidal. Most Civil War veterans would not have left the safety of cover but I guess at the time frame in which it happened he was too young to have been a soldier in that war.
Yep, that was the part that struck me as very odd. First I wondered why he ran in the house and didn't close the doors or windows. Then I wondered why they weren't scrambling around getting ready for an attack. Then I wondered why they all scattered from the house. Made no sense. When I would watch movies with the old man I would sometimes ask "why did they do that?". His reply would be, "it was in the script". ;)
 
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