gc70
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Since the link in the Washington Post article does not work, here is a working link to the 2004 Justice Department Inspector General's NICS Report referred to in the article.
With name like that you like me should be out the door with gun on you in 10 minutes or less. I do not mean to be crude or to insult you but in USA the rights "of common men" stop when they leave their doorstep and or their property. It helps a little if one drives antique car does not use a mobil phones and pays in cash for whatever he can. Regardless where on this earth they live the wealthy and well-connected have 'freedom force shield' that accompanies them wherever they go.The existing background check law has a tremendous chilling effect on the exercise of Second Amendment rights. Most of the people denied the right to buy a gun are false positives. That is, they are falsely denied. It is a travesty of justice that tens of thousands of people are denied their rights by this system every year.
MyFoxTampa reports:
In 2010, only .017 percent of people who were denied the right to buy a firearm were convicted of illegally attempting to do so. This should be proclaimed everywhere as the tremendous infringement on Constitutional rights that "background checks" are.
Dean Weingarten
http://gunwatch.blogspot.com/2013/07/fl999-percent-of-people-who-fail-gun.html
Unless it's the FBI NICS telling him that, it's just a WAG by whoever said it. NICS will not tell ANYONE the reason for a delay or denial over the phone. They will only tell DENIED buyers the reason after they submit the request in writing.we are not amused:......He believes and has been told that the problem is that his is a very common name....
Current residence address has no bearing on a NICS check as the FBI doesn't get told the street address or city..........only the state.It doesn't help that he moves around quite a bit, and often changes addresses.
That dealer is/was an idiot. Not only is he suborning perjury, but as he knows the husband is the actual buyer he is facilitating a straw purchase......both would be Federal crimes. The dealer would face loss of his FFL at a minimum.His wife started buying the guns after a local gun dealer ( who has known him since childhood) asked, "why don't you just have your wife buy them?"
It is ABSOLUTELY a straw purchase. It makes no difference if the husband is "legal to possess guns".........ANYTIME someone attempts to acquire a firearm from a licensed dealer and they are not the actual buyer/transferee they are in violation of Federal law. If the dealer is aware that it is a straw sale he is in violation as well. When the wife signs her name to that 4473 she certifies under penalty of law that all answers were true, correct and complete.It would be very hard for somebody to claim "straw purchase" since he is legal to possess guns, and even harder to prove.
Sorry, but committing a crime and serving your sentence do not let one start life anew. Don't like dem rules? Too bad, don't do the crime if you can't do the time and deal with the lifelong consequences.Thus my assertion, that anyone who is a citizen should own (or at least have access to) a gun. As beatledog7 pointed out, why are we releasing dangerous people back into society?
As explained earlier, only the FBI NICS can tell him "why", and did so during the appeal process.we are not amused dogtown tom:
If you are so damn smart, why don't you explain why he can get denied, and on challenge get the clearance?
once again, open a Voluntary Appeal File and apply for a UPIN#....it ain't rocket science.And then you can explain how to fix the problem so it doesn't happen again, not to my friend, but to the FBI. Lots of luck with that one!
I deal with FBI NICS six days a week and strongly disagree.Obviously the NICS checking system has a few bugs.
And I have little use for liars and felons. As a licensed gun dealer it behooves me to be "anal retentitive". Unlike your friends dealer, I follow Federal law. While you seem to think I'm anal retentive, I tend to believe it's following the law. 99% of other dealers feel the same way.As for the rest of your argumentive posting....
I will admit that have little use for overly anally retentive people.
dogtown tom:
If you are so damn smart, why don't you explain why he can get denied, and on challenge get the clearance? More than once! And then you can explain how to fix the problem so it doesn't happen again, not to my friend, but to the FBI. Lots of luck with that one!
We can deprive individuals their Civil Rights as punishment for a crime, but we can not deprive them of their Civil Rights after they have served their sentence. We don't deprive them of their freedom of Speech, Religion, Association, Due Process, the Fifth, or any other Civil Right guaranteed to them under the Bill of Rights. Except the Second.
what if you are a "criminal" for downloading music arguing with your wife etc . what it takes to be a "criminal" is being expanded all the time to encompass everybody like Ayn Rand predicted. they will throw the law abiding gun owner right back in your faceDoes this friend supply his social security number when filling out a 4473? That would be the easiest way to limit confusion if one has a common name.
We deny criminals all types of rights after they are released, not just gun ownership. Bans on felons voting and sex offender registries are two examples that come to mind.
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I find it disturbing that a dealer would risk loss of his license (at a minimum) over the sale of a firearm. Again the dealer is an idiot.
once again, open a Voluntary Appeal File and apply for a UPIN#....it ain't rocket science.
Does this friend supply his social security number when filling out a 4473? That would be the easiest way to limit confusion if one has a common name.
Obviously the NICS checking system has a few bugs.
I will admit that have little use for overly anally retentive people.
Does this friend supply his social security number when filling out a 4473? That would be the easiest way to limit confusion if one has a common name.
We deny criminals all types of rights after they are released, not just gun ownership. Bans on felons voting and sex offender registries are two examples that come to mind.
A bit off topic here, sorry, but would this be grounds to incorporate the ninth amendment? Just because our right to vote isn't enumerated doesn't mean it doesn't exist.Actually, we do not have a Civil Right to vote. Also, the professional licenses that are denied felons are not guaranteed by the Constitution, as they are issued by the State. And as I pointed out, one does not give up the other enumerated Rights, such as the Fifth, the Fourth, or any of the First.
I don't know if you are obtuse or just attempting to be cute. In either event you continue to believe that there is a problem with NICS........I don't. In your latest post you state your friend "knows one of the people with the same name is convicted drug dealer".........WELL DUH. Thats a perfect example of NICS working EXACTLY AS IT SHOULD.we are not amused .....Obviously, there are problems with the NICS system, perhaps dogtown tom can correct it for them.