The elusive Krag.

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When I was a youngster my best friend’s dad carried a 30-40 Krag deer hunting every year. Not really being into guns all that much, he owned exactly three. In addition to the Krag, he had an old Mossberg 12 gauge bolt-action shotgun and a Stevens single-shot 22 rifle. He was a hunter, not a shooter or gun collector and these are the guns he needed to hunt and that’s all he wanted.

The shotgun (which I found ungainly) and the 22 never interested me much. But I was fascinated by the Krag.

The Krag is a Norwegian design that was used by the U.S. military for a brief period of time around the turn of the 19th and 20th centuries. These are beautiful rifles that feature a rather odd side mounted magazine system that is slower than the top-loading system using stripper clips so most people consider the Krag inferior to the competing Mauser design.

I found the Krag alluring and vowed to own one, someday. It would take 25 years to fulfill that promise to myself.

Oh, I saw Krags for sale, but rifles in original condition brought good money from collectors and even the guns that had been shopped up for hunting were always priced beyond what I wanted to pay. I passed on may cut-down Krags in the $200+ ranged because I wanted to pay no more than $150.

In 1991 I went to a local gun show. At the first table right inside the entrance I almost walked past a Krag on display. The original stock had been shortened as had the barrel (to 24”) and a receiver sight had been installed... just what I wanted.

“How much for the old Krag?” I casually asked.

“Ninety bucks,” came the reply.

Quickly placing one hand on the rifle to prevent anyone else from grabbing it, I resisted the urge to go for my wallet with the other hand. It’s a gun show, you HAVE to negotiate... even when the asking price is less than you are willing to pay. So I offered $80. The dealer groaned that he had paid $80 for it and had lugged it around to several shows without success. He said he reduced the price to $90 to try to move it. He told me he wanted to make at least $5 on it so for $85 it could be mine.

It was mine.

With the Krag in hand I found a set of used RCBS dies for the 30-40 about three rows over from where I had purchased the rifle. The asking price was $15. They came with me and I left a ten-spot with the seller. Always negotiate.

I bought a couple hundred new cases and some 150 grain FMJ bullets that were pulled from military ammo (I only plink with it so I don’t need fancy bullets) and found it great fun to shoot. But it shot high. Way high. The front sight was too short.

I shot the Krag for several years before deciding to put a sporter stock on it. I bought a nice walnut number from some outfit that claimed it was 95% inletted and only required some final fitting.

HAH!!!

I spent two years whittling on that stock to make it fit. There was a lot of wood that needed removal and this was my first stock-fitting experience so I took it slow and easy, working a couple hours each week on the project. I also installed a recoil pad.

Finally it was done and I wasn’t unhappy with the final result. But the front sight had been cobbled together by whomever had cut the barrel and not only was it too short to sight properly, it was ugly to boot. So I took it to a local gunsmith who for the princely sum of $45 (I really thought he would charge more) put a nice Williams hooded ramp sight on it.

As I type this I realize that I haven’t shot it since the sight was mounted. I will have to do something about that.


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That looks awesome, we were cleaning out my Grandfathers gun room & found a lot of krag brass, it really got me interested in the caliber/gun I am thinking I need to keep an eye out for a similar find.
 
I was watching Hogan's Heros the other day and realized that the rifle Sgt. Schultz carries is a Krag. The show is 30+ years old and I am really disgusted with myself for not noticing this back then. Anyone else--- please confirm or deny this for me please.
 
I think that my love affair with a Krag lasted longer than SaxonPig's. My Dad had one that he kept in the basement. He wasn't a hunter and in my entire life, I only knew it to be shot once.

It hung over the door to my Dad's shop and I can remember looking at it from about the age of 5. I was told not to handle it - to leave it right where it was.

So, from about the age of 10 and no one was around, I would drag a chair over and carefully get that rifle down. Even at age 10 (and having never shot anything but a .22), I recognized this to be a piece of quality machinery. I would work the bolt, bring it up to sight it, and pretend that I was shooting bad-guys. I knew how the "door" worked for loading cartridges, but (and this is probably a good thing), I never found any bullets. When done, I'd open the bolt, squeeze the trigger and let the bolt back home, thus returning it to it's original state. Then it was back to it's place over the shop door.

Forty years later, I asked Dad about that rifle and found out I was too late. My brother had asked for it about five-years prior and it was now in a different state. I was dissapointed, but didn't say anything.

Over the years, I've purchased a slew of rifles - a K31, a Mosin Nagant 91/30, two SKS's, a Garand, and the usual hunting rifles. But, I longed for a Krag.

About a month ago, I saw one on Gunbroker and, taking a chance, bid on it. It turned out to be a great purchase. It's accurate, soft on the shoulder, and just fun to shoot. It's not Dad's, but it's a great second choice.

And the bolt action is just as wonderful as I remember Dad's as being.
 
Random thoughts on the Krag…

The Krag is oft criticized for being under powered and slow to load compared to the Mauser design. The Krag’s biggest deficiency is rarely discussed: the ammunition.

The 30-40 cartridge was one of the first small caliber smokeless rounds the US Military and shooting industry played around with. As such, there were certain bugs to work out. The early smokeless powders burned very hot and produced some serious fouling. The metal gilded slug was also new and it tended to foul the bore too. And in particular the slug used in the early .30-40 loading was often undersized and poorly balanced. Needless to say, accuracy and barrel life suffered.

These problems were eventually worked out but not before the Krag was replaced by the M1903 (the New Springfield- thus called to distinguish it from the Trapdoors). So, many sportsmen had better luck with their surplus Krags than the military shooters ever did.

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Many Hollywood “Japanese” soldiers featured in the WWII epics were Filipinos armed with Krags.

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My father-in-law drilled with the Krag while in high school during the mid 1930s. Imagine students today in Washington DC being issued rifles!

When my father-in-law was sent to Pearl Harbor in late 1942, he saw the Krag still in service with the local police. Sure beats Steve McGarrett’s .38 snub.
 
I need to get a good picture of my Krag.

It belonged to my Great-Grandfather. I don't know any of it's history with him, since I never saw it until my Grandfather pulled it out of his fathers workshop after he passed away.

It's an 1896 model that I believe started life as a rifle. At some point it the barrel was cut down to carbine length and the stock was shortened and reshaped with a bit of a schnabel forend. The rear sight was removed from the barrel,the gap in the upper handguard filled, and it had a Lyman receiver sight added.

It is still a great shooting, slick actioned gun. I really like the fact that one day my son will inherit a few working guns that have been in the family for four generations before him.

Slightly OT, what bullets do people like for reloading the old .30 Army round?
 
I inherited a Krag from my grandfather, 20 yrs after he passed, LoL. It had circulated around in Oklamoma within my family and My uncle brought it up and gave it to me for my wedding. It was my great grandfathers first, it was made in 1901. I took it into the smith and it headspaced very well and the bore has a lot of life in it. I know it isnt full length, but I dont know if it was originally a carbine or if it was part of the sporterization done to it by my grandfather (he drilled and tapped the receiver to mount a scope).

Either way, I should take some pics and post them up and listen to what the members here have to say.

It is a great rifle to shoot, smoothest action I own... possibly smoother than any rifle I will ever own. I havnt had it appraised or anything, because I will never sell it. I will be passed to my children with instructions to do the same.
 
Yes MMCSRET, Shultz is carrying a Krag. I too was digusted with myself having not noticed this. I finally realized it maybe a month ago. All I could think about was "I know nuthin'."

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smoothest bolt action going...

Love those Krags! Mine was sporterized during WWII by an armorer at the Watervliet Arsenal (famous for artillery). It has a vintage Redfield receiver sight and was obviously restocked in a style of the period.

I did replace the "turned to mush" butt plate with a recoil pad. It had a leather lace on pad that yucked up with the butt plate and the combo had to be scraped off, thus the light area on the butt stock.

I'm owner #2 since the gun was converted as seen.

It has killed several elk and numerous deer, but none by me :(

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Interestingly when I rummaged a couple hours thru Col. Cooper's gun room (vault) a few months before he passed, I found more 30-40 ammo than any other caliber! There were 2 Krags, very well worn with receiver sights under one counter.
 
Man... an 85 dollar Krag.

I saw a couple at a gunshow a few months ago at two seperate tables going for $1500.

Did find an extremely crappy one that looked like it wouldn't fire without blowing up first for $250 at a later show. Didn't even bother picking it up.
 
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