The myth on not saving when hand loading 9mm ammo.

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Reloading 9mm doesn’t cost me anything at all.

Like many of you I enjoy reloading so much that my time, projectiles, powder, cases, and primers are expendables I wouldn’t be using otherwise. But have to also say, after I load one round or one hundred rounds I have less of each expendable than I began with. Hmmm, isn’t that a cost?
Yes. But until you replace them they are a fixed cost asset - inventory. Using inventory (unless you have separate storage and transport costs?) is at the cost of the inventory, not replacement value.

So what’s the value of the expenditure? To you. Never mind anybody else, what is the value to you?

That’s all that matters. If it’s a negative value investment, dump it and do something else. If it adds value, then the cost is negligible. If the value is high enough (peace of mind, meat on the table, life saving skills drills, etc) then the value far outweighs the cost. It’s up to the individual to decide.
 
I enjoy reloading.

My 9x19 reloads are better than the cheap stuff available on the internet and are less expensive than the "designer" ammunition manufacturers are pushing.

Since I reload, it is easier to keep loaded ammunition on hand. I can source bullets, powder and primers from wherever as opposed to hunting for loaded ammunition from a limited variety of sources.

But, I understand, many do not feel reloading is a worth while endeavor. If so, when coming to find ammunition to shoot, you pays your money and hopes for success.

If you reload, you have lots more options to explore.
Good point. When Remington switched to the bonded Golden Saber they sold the unbonded 1st Gen to wholesale distributors at liquidation prices. I bought 3,000 for $60 delivered. Still have a few. When Federal discontinued the Guard Dog EFMJ line they did the same. I bought 3,000 for $100 delivered. Montana Gold, Xtreme, Bull-X, Sierra… over the years as “New-and-Improved!” product replaces tried and true products, the old is sold at less than production prices; and people like me scoop them up.

My brass is free, my primers and powder were bought with preY2K dollars, and my time is my own.

How much is the box of hi-vel 124gr BJHP on the store shelf? If it’s more than the price of a bag of jerky and a soda pop, you’re paying too much.
 
To each his own but I spend my time at the bench reloading .38, .357, .45, 10mm and more than 1 rifle caliber. 124gr 9mm these days at 12 bucks a box shipped, it's just not worth reloading it for me. I do shoot quite a bit of it as well since I spend a lot of time at the range. Shooting is my hobby so more range time is key. ymmv and do whatever makes you happy...
 
I just don't think of buying loaded ammo. I mean I look at it. Same with jacketed bullets, I would rather pick up the ones I have cast and use them first. It has been more learning than I first thought. But I am happy with the last rounds I shot. I will tell you that I cannot Imagine doing a magazine dump on my labor.
 
Yes. But until you replace them they are a fixed cost asset - inventory. Using inventory (unless you have separate storage and transport costs?) is at the cost of the inventory, not replacement value.

So what’s the value of the expenditure? To you. Never mind anybody else, what is the value to you?

That’s all that matters. If it’s a negative value investment, dump it and do something else. If it adds value, then the cost is negligible. If the value is high enough (peace of mind, meat on the table, life saving skills drills, etc) then the value far outweighs the cost. It’s up to the individual to decide.
All of the five “inventory” items must be replaced eventually including time. For sure.

The original discussion was the proposition that reloading saved money compared to buying ammo.

That’s an objective exercise—add up the costs and compare. Want a more accurate answer? Be more precise about the actual costs.

Time is money as the saying goes. Law firms, consultants, and labor unions among many others live and die based on determining the cost of their time.

But the original question wasn’t a purely subjective “is reloading worth it?” For me the answer is “of course, but don’t ask me to quantify it”:)
 
For me, my time is worth more than any savings of reloading.

Depends on what you do with your time otherwise. Many of the things I like to do cost a lot of money, so if I can keep busy on cheaper things, it’s a win/win.

If I would otherwise be sitting on the couch with a remote control, bag of chips and a beer, that time isn’t worth much anyway. I get nothing out of that time except weight gain, I had to pay for (Lose/lose).
 
Only if you buy 9mm brass, which nobody does except sociopaths.

Even if you do you only buy it once, and reload many. Heck does anyone know how many times you can reload 9mm brass ? Isn't it one of the worlds great mysteries ?

I can load 9mm and save money off stock 9mm even with the high cost of todays componants. You are right I do not factor in my time. I have time, I consider it a hobby. I have more than paid for my equipment but I haven't "saved" a dime since. I shoot the difference. Thats the real reason so you can enjoy shooting more.

-Jeff
 
I too once tried to justify my reloading expenditures. Then someone pointed out that a simple hole punch was: quicker, cleaner, cheaper and more accurate.

Shooting/reloading is a very expensive way to make holes in paper (my hobby) and I'll no longer justify it to anyone. My life, my time... :cool:
 
I'm shocked by the economic illiteracy displayed by some the posters. Time is the ultimate scarce resource because you can never get more of it. If you are loading ammo you aren't hunting, shooting, working, spending time with your family, etc. That has a cost that needs to be factored in, whether you do it as $ in your loading cost or you leave it out and just consider whether you're saving enough to justify your time.

I've loaded my own hunting ammo because I like to do it and sometimes I can load more accurate ammo than I can buy. My perspective is changing though and now if I can buy something with acceptable accuracy I will so I can focus my loading time on loading things I can't buy. For example, I've found that my Savage Axis II in .25-06 shoots 1MOA with Barnes factory ammo. That's food enough for our hunting, so when I make time to load for the .25-06 it will be reduced recoil target loads for my son. My last loading project was Combined Technologies bullets (the coated Nosler Ballistic tips) for my FIL's .338wm because the ammo is no longer available.
 
For those of you who add the cost of your time into the cost of reloading, how much do you add? And how do you arrive at that number? Asking for a friend.
There are a number of ways to come up with a number. One way is how much do you earn when you work (after tax earnings). The reasoning is any time you spend not working is time that you could have worked and earned that much.

Another way is think of something that you have no interest in doing and are neutral about (that is you don't like or dislike it). How much would you charge if someone was interested in paying you to do it? How much would you charge a telemarketing company to answer a survey? How much would you charge your neighbor to mow his lawn using his equipment and gas? Etc.
 
Depends on what you do with your time otherwise. Many of the things I like to do cost a lot of money, so if I can keep busy on cheaper things, it’s a win/win.

If I would otherwise be sitting on the couch with a remote control, bag of chips and a beer, that time isn’t worth much anyway. I get nothing out of that time except weight gain, I had to pay for (Lose/lose).
I’ve seen enough pictures of your set up to say with confidence you’re not saving money loading 9mm. Now as for artillery rounds…
 
Yes. But until you replace them they are a fixed cost asset - inventory. Using inventory (unless you have separate storage and transport costs?) is at the cost of the inventory, not replacement value.
That's only correct for accounting purposes. Replacement cost is correct if you're trying to decide whether to use the resource. At a minimum you should consider what you could sell the asset for if you didn't consume it.
 
It depends on how accurate or realistic you want to be. I’m retired. I pick $25/hr.
Costs don’t have to be monetized. But without question time has value and “spending“ it on one thing instead of another is a cost (opportunity cost). It would be both inaccurate and unrealistic to say your time reloading has no cost.
Answering for a friend.
If a person is retired... what else would you be doing with your leisure time that is worth your stated $25/hr? Watching TV? Playing around on the internet? Are you taking unpaid days off a part time job that pays $25/hr? Are you hiring people at that rate to do work around the house while you reload instead?

Point is, a person cannot blindly put a blind $25/hr value on their leisure time, or any other monetary value for that matter. You don't get paid that to watch TV, surf the internet, play pickleball, or any other activity. It's our free choice to do what we want with our uncompensated time.

As per those who see it as a chore...
If a person enjoys reloading in leu of the above household activities, they shouldn't look down on it as some kind of chore that should be compensated. If one does NOT enjoy reloading at all, and actually sees it as an unenjoyable chore, they should sell their equipment/guns and buy a pickleball racket, cruise ship tickets, new truck/sports car, etc. Sometimes enjoying life is that simple. A person either changes their outlook, or they change their activities/hobbies.
 
I still remember a time not too long ago when you couldn't find 9 mm ammo at all, especially at the prices mentioned above. For me, it was a trip to the basement and about a half hour of my time. I haven't had to pay 10 cents for a SPP yet, Brass is free, and I've laid in a pretty good supply of RMR jacketed for 10 or 11 cents each. I'll keep doing it.
 
I've been reloading the same 9mm brass for years (since ammo was $100 a K bulk) I know how many times it's been reloaded and since I don't shoot competitions and currently only have one 9mm I only reload them every couple of years. When I reload I usually setup the radio and listen to music and run about 100 per hr on a LCT, stopping every 100 to replenish the supplies and stretch, after 2 or 300, I'll take a break and wait until another session to finish up, I think if I tried to run 500 or 1k a day it would stop being relaxing and start becoming a chore. I do the same thing with 40s&w and 45acp where the savings is more but the relaxing time is the same.
I pick up 9mm brass and swap it with a friend for his 40s&w & 45acp brass that he gets when he buys bulk range pickups, since he shoots a couple of competitions and reloads a LOT of 9mm. He reloads them to +p so he doesn't get as many reloads as I would expect before his brass is bad. His reloading setup is fully automatic (and pricey), flips a switch, that doesn't seem relaxing to me, but he enjoys it and enjoys the competitions.
 
I am not a bean counter, I will not play the bean countin' game. If I need ammo I load it.............some components I buy, some I make and just like fuel for my PU, I buy what I need when I need it. Damn this concept of quantifying every aspect of life anyway!!
 
There are a number of ways to come up with a number. One way is how much do you earn when you work (after tax earnings). The reasoning is any time you spend not working is time that you could have worked and earned that much.

Another way is think of something that you have no interest in doing and are neutral about (that is you don't like or dislike it). How much would you charge if someone was interested in paying you to do it? How much would you charge a telemarketing company to answer a survey? How much would you charge your neighbor to mow his lawn using his equipment and gas? Etc.
If one was an hourly wage earner, yes, but I had a salary and that was it. Interest is subjective and relative of course. I do many things because that’s what homeowners do or because of cost. Or so I was raised I guess.

A few years ago at a block party some of my neighbors were discussing the costs of mowing, leaf removal, general exterior maintenance, car repair, etc. I and the few other remaining old timers were shocked at the prices folks paid.

Young guys would say their time was too valuable to do this or that. Old timers like me would say I’ll never pay anyone to do what I’m capable of doing.

The youngins made old timers include the costs of capital investment—equipment like mowers, ladders, wrenches, whatever.

While when they claimed a minimum of $100/hr was reasonable for their time, we old guys said, no, only if you’d actually be working instead of mowing, etc.

All that was simple. But what we wrestled with the most was whether or not one felt self-satisfaction or pride from being a DIYer. Most of the young guys just didn’t care.

Yesterday I replaced the trap under my kitchen sink. Took longer than expected to stop a drip but it’s done. How much would I have paid a plumber? And when would they have been available?

Don’t know, but I said to my wife “that paid for the bullets I just bought.” (I say things like that frequently to preempt any complaints.)
 
I am not a bean counter, I will not play the bean countin' game. If I need ammo I load it.............some components I buy, some I make and just like fuel for my PU, I buy what I need when I need it. Damn this concept of quantifying every aspect of life anyway!!
A PU man! And exactly. Oh but the price of powder. It an outrage. Not
 
I still remember a time not too long ago when you couldn't find 9 mm ammo at all, especially at the prices mentioned above. For me, it was a trip to the basement and about a half hour of my time. I haven't had to pay 10 cents for a SPP yet, Brass is free, and I've laid in a pretty good supply of RMR jacketed for 10 or 11 cents each. I'll keep doing it.
I'm still using S&B that cost less than 2 and a half. TGIF PS it takes me 30 minutes just to get going
 
If a person is retired... what else would you be doing with your leisure time that is worth your stated $25/hr? Watching TV? Playing around on the internet? Are you taking unpaid days off a part time job that pays $25/hr? Are you hiring people at that rate to do work around the house while you reload instead?

Point is, a person cannot blindly put a blind $25/hr value on their leisure time, or any other monetary value for that matter. You don't get paid that to watch TV, surf the internet, play pickleball, or any other activity. It's our free choice to do what we want with our uncompensated time.

As per those who see it as a chore...
If a person enjoys reloading in leu of the above household activities, they shouldn't look down on it as some kind of chore that should be compensated. If one does NOT enjoy reloading at all, and actually sees it as an unenjoyable chore, they should sell their equipment/guns and buy a pickleball racket, cruise ship tickets, new truck/sports car, etc. Sometimes enjoying life is that simple. A person either changes their outlook, or they change their activities/hobbies.
Yes you can pick an arbitrary amount. You just use it constantly and understand it’s a swag. Remember, we’re comparing costs and time isn’t free. It just isn’t.
 
As per those who see it as a chore...
If a person enjoys reloading in leu of the above household activities, they shouldn't look down on it as some kind of chore that should be compensated. If one does NOT enjoy reloading at all, and actually sees it as an unenjoyable chore, they should sell their equipment/guns and buy a pickleball racket, cruise ship tickets, new truck/sports car, etc. Sometimes enjoying life is that simple. A person either changes their outlook, or they change their activities/hobbies


So those of us who dislike loading should sell our guns and not hunt/ shoot/ collect. Wow.

I hate buying fuel. I suppose I should sell all my bikes and cars. I hate helping the kids with homework, guess I should put them up for adoption. Dislike shopping trips and movie nights, guess I should give up sex.

Some of us reload to be able to enjoy the shooting sports/ hunt. 338 lapua/ 7mm rum/460 Smith etc etc are cheaper to reload. Plus having the equipment and supplies gives us the option to reload after the next panics. But while I'm buying ammo as cheap as I can reload I'll do so. saves my powder and primers I bought for a semi reasonable price years ago. Gives me new brass too.
 
Yes you can pick an arbitrary amount. You just use it constantly and understand it’s a swag. Remember, we’re comparing costs and time isn’t free. It just isn’t.
So what's it cost to play a game of pool. Free time is free
 
Calculating your labour rate into the cost of your reloading only makes sense if you actually take time off your paying job to reload. I suspect most reload during their off time; when they want to get away from the wife and kids or when they would not be doing anything productive anyway.

As for shooting more for the same cost, doesn't always work like that either. When I go to the range with my pistol, I take two packs of ammo. Taking two packs of my reloads gives me roughly a 20% saving over buying 2 packs at the gunshop.

So, reloading my ammunition does save me money and gives my hands something productive to do in the evenings instead of wasting my time watching TV.
 
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