Don't worry Sig fans, here's a just released photo of the Sig 320 returned from the factory with modifications after the drop safe voluntary recall, it should be just fine.
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Don't worry Sig fans, here's a just released photo of the Sig 320 returned from the factory with modifications after the drop safe voluntary recall, it should be just fine.
Now, if I understand well...
- SIG submitted the 320 to mandated drop tests, designed by the genii in charge of government thingies like that
- The 320 passed the tests
- It so happens that if dropped in a way not covered in the tests, the 320 with a certain type of trigger fires.
- The public at large and SIG have been made aware of that
- SIG is replacing the triggers for free, immediately
So, what's the hullabaloo about? Some get their knickers in a knot because of the language used by SIG in the aftermath? In a lawsuit-friendly environment as the US are, you don't go around apologizing. You hire a darn good lawyer, and he writes a statement in terms that won't be pounced upon by bottom feeders.
Sorry, but all the whining looks a bit snowflaky, seen from here.
Now, if I understand well...
- SIG submitted the 320 to mandated drop tests, designed by the genii in charge of government thingies like that
- The 320 passed the tests
- It so happens that if dropped in a way not covered in the tests, the 320 with a certain type of trigger fires.
- The public at large and SIG have been made aware of that
- SIG is replacing the triggers for free, immediately
So, what's the hullabaloo about? Some get their knickers in a knot because of the language used by SIG in the aftermath? In a lawsuit-friendly environment as the US are, you don't go around apologizing. You hire a darn good lawyer, and he writes a statement in terms that won't be pounced upon by bottom feeders.
Sorry, but all the whining looks a bit snowflaky, seen from here.
As the ongoing hysteria of the "issue" with the P320 is debated over the internet, lets not forget that one significant thing needs to happen to get the gun to discharge: you, the operator of that mechanism, have to fumble it, badly, and make it happen.
It's being ignored in all the debate: what we have here is a major safety issue that is gun owner induced. For all those who choose to put aside their P320's because they no longer trust it, I support your decision. In fact, it's not going far enough. Lock up ALL your guns, because if you are worried about dropping a P320, then the real issue and what is being admitted is that you will drop guns at all.
So, put down the gun safe key, back away from the cabinet, and leave the room. That way nobody will get hurt.
It's been debated for a long time the 1911 will fire if dropped on the hammer. And it seems to be a recurring problem that Glock owners will shoot themselves in the leg by the misfortunate insertion of their trigger finger inside the guard, especially when holstering. Given the larger issues at hand, I'm not worried about SIG's. I worry about gun owners, who have demonstrated an enormous capability to goof up any safety device and shoot themselves or others around them.
Negligent discharges are the bane of gun ownership, what should we expect if we mishandle a gun? It can and will go off, is what you should be thinking, and it should be handled with that in mind. Not "it's safe and can't go off." That is a lie - demonstrated over and over, regardless of gun type or hype - they are NOT safe and can go off.
Carry guns are constantly discussed on forums and their reliability is often the topic, if we are so focused on making sure they will shoot when we use them, then be assured, if you mishandle it and it can go off, it's entirely due to your efforts to have one that will. If you want a gun that can't possibly discharge, ever, no matter how you abuse it, then don't expect it to fire reliably when you need it to. There is a range of options in between those two extremes - think about how far you need to go one way or the other.
But no matter what, if you make an error in the first place, then own it. Dropping the gun at all is the real fault. It's operator negligence, just the same as driving off the road and hitting a tree.
If they had just said, "We never drop tested it that way, not industry standard, but now that we know about it we will fix it immediately"
What I have found funny about this topic is that you can find several videos of people dropping Sig P320s showing you that they will fire when dropped. You have to ask yourself. HOW DUMB ARE SOME OF THESE PEOPLE MAKING THESE VIDEOS? What were they thinking? You just see a video of a P320 being dropped and it goes off. So you go buy a new P320 or get your out of the safe and video yourself doping it. Then you post it on YouTube.
Actually, they DID say that. The fix was already in the works, and the M17 has the redesigned parts included under the contract as a modification at no charge.
They never DID drop test it exactly that way because the drop test protocols required by .Gov and the industry didn't include it - so, I have to ask, when it passes those, is it "drop safe" IAW a written standard?
Yes it is.
The drop safe testing is defective. SIG passed it. They even went a step further, found a very rare combination of events that so far are documented in 4 - four - of 500,000 guns, incorporated it for free under the government contract, and were in the process of making new parts and shutting down production to make a recall when this all blew up in the media.
I smell Glock. When you deal with a competitor who takes contract buyers to strip joints to seal the deal I have no illusions of them playing fair when it comes down to striking first on the media front after just losing a multimillion dollar contract. They got wind of it, took a page from the DNC playbook and adopted the philosophy "Never let a crisis go to waste."
Even if they didn't - too many are doing the usual, reading the scripted Breaking News! and taking the lead item hook, line, and sinker. Same kind of pollyanna world view as accepting that Bill Clinton and Loretta Lynch only talked about grandchildren on the airport tarmac.
Who benefits from breaking this to the public prematurely? SIG was moving to do an open admission, but NOOOOoooo, it's to someone else's profit to take it out of their hands and bludgeon their sales. The #1 comment I've been reading in threads - this one too - is to put the gun away because "I can't trust it." Well, that includes the P938, now. What other SIG owners will blame the gun but not themselves?
If YOU drop the gun, YOU are the problem. Redundant safeties are a nice to have item, how many of you carry a gun with NO safeties? In the pocket pistol class, the SIG P320 was head and shoulders above the average pocket sized gun with safeties - yet nobody is counting them up and worrying over them being a problem,
The hysterics are even ignoring that Ruger did exactly the same - less than a dozen reports of ND's and they decided that the design - which by all accounts passed industry drop safe testing - had to come back for a recall. Notwithstanding that the owners reports included they fumbled them -
My question is who is next? Because we have started a witch hunt over what gun is next in the drop safe campaign to smear gun makers. I can tell you that will be pushed and funded as far as possible now that we have given them a good reason to do it - so the anti gun banners are now lining up to see YOUR favorite gun exhibits a failure in one of the 46 million ways you can throw or hammer on it.
Overreaction to this has now opened a Pandora's box of new ammo for them, and as usual, we have only ourselves to blame.
Don't worry Sig fans, here's a just released photo of the Sig 320 returned from the factory with modifications after the drop safe voluntary recall, it should be just fine.