The Primer Shortage is OVER!

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Powder Valley confirms the slow boat from Russia with Wolf primers has arrived. They will start shipping out backorders in about two weeks. They say they have over 20 million primers coming so the backorder list should be pretty well covered. About Time!

That should mean that Grafs, Wideners, etc. all should be able to start shipping by the end of the month.

("...And there was much rejoicing....yay...")
 
That is good news. I don't have any primers on backorder. I can only hope when they fill all the orders there are so many primers leftover the prices will drop. That's when I will replace what I used over the Summer so far.
 
From Powder Valley website:

Wolf had a 25% price increase on their primers. All primers will be shipped at the new price.

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You think the cost of manufacture went up that much? Or taking advantage of the situation?
 
takeing advantage. ye old 'greed system'.

Um, that would be ye old capitalist market economy now, wouldn't it? :)

I've maintained for a long time that this shortage would have ended a lot sooner had prices risen early instead of waiting so long. It would have reduced hoarding, caused people to take advantage of alternatives (which, sadly, would include less shooting), and brought supply and demand into balance a lot sooner.

Then, as the hysteria subsided, prices would have come down, supply up, and by now, we'd be back to normal.

It's unlikely very many would agree with this, but IMO but businesses trying to keep prices low have exacerbated the shortages. When supply does appear at those prices, it gets bought out immediately, which creates a self-fulfilling prophecy.

There's a great article by George Will on this phenomenon here: http://www.newsweek.com/id/158752/page/1

Here's the relevant quote from the article:

Roberts, an economist at George Mason University and Stanford's Hoover Institution, sets his story in the Bay Area, where some Stanford students are indignant because a Big Box store doubled its prices after an earthquake. A student leader plans to protest Stanford's acceptance of a large gift from Big Box. The student's economics professor, Ruth, rather than attempting to dissuade him, begins leading him and his classmates to an understanding of prices, markets and the marvel of social cooperation.
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But back to Big Box doubling prices after the earthquake. The indignant student, who had first gone to Home Depot for a flashlight, says it "didn't try to rip us off." It was, however, out of flashlights. Ruth suggests that the reason Big Box had flashlights was that its prices were high. If prices were left at regular levels, the people who would have got the flashlights would have been those who got to the store first. With the higher prices, "someone who had candles at home decided to do without the flashlight and left it there for you on the shelf." Neither Home Depot nor the student who was angry at Big Box had benefited from Home Depot's price restraint.


I believe this is exactly the situation that has faced the shooting community since November.

Had prices on primers in our local gun shops risen early--to $30 or even $40 a brick, say--we would have been able to find them. People would have been less inclined to buy out stocks of primers when they found them if they cost 50 or even 100 percent more. That would have left more on the shelves, would have reduced the impression of there being shortages, would have reduced hysterical demand, and we'd have resolved this issue in February.

Sadly, the attempts to keep prices low subverted the very market forces which would have solved the problem a lot sooner.
 
Good news for sure. I kind of figured Wolf would be the first to show up in quantity. Now we just have to wait on the others to catch up. I am below 1K on LR, but since I don't shoot as lot of those, I should be good until CCI or Winchester or Federal primers show back up.
 
PMC primers have been available in large quantities for some time during the shortage.

I seriously doubt the primer shortage is over or even close to being over. CCI and Federal primers are 6 months out. Winchester primers are 4-6 months out. Until I can place an order for the millions primers I need per month with a 2 week lead time, it ain't over. Before the rush I was buying a million primers with no lead time.
 
Still a long way from being over I have to agree.

Graf is still out of stock on just about everything. No domestic primers on shelves in many months around here.
 
From Powder Valley website:

Wolf had a 25% price increase on their primers. All primers will be shipped at the new price.

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You think the cost of manufacture went up that much? Or taking advantage of the situation?
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Yeah they are taking advantage. Price went from $21 for 1K to $25.50.:banghead:

They could have done like other suppliers and canceled orders and charged more. All they did was add their new cost to the price.
 
I know a guy that's been consistently importing Wolf and PMC primers at $60/5K. There price didn't go up at all.
 
Mongoose, Im glad to see someone who has a good grasp of economics, I have to admit it is very refreshing to see that on this forum. It is that same reason that gas prices often shoot up before hurricane season.

Also primers are stillo hard to come by over my way as well.
 
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Freakshow,

Help out the fellow man here with this importer. If he can get them regularly i'll take up to 100k a month in SP and SR.

Thanks,
James Anderson

Also CCI has been sending out small numbers of primers to the average buyer (me) but some of the older distributors do seem to "magicly" get them faster than everyone else.

Winchester is saying they will be back to normal by the end of the year.
 
Russians and the Price of Peace

Well, I kind of figured that the Russians would start to grasp capitalism sooner or :scrutiny: later. They're not stupid, they've just come out of a long era of the State running everything. Call this the "reverse of the 'Peace Dividend.'"

So, Wolf comes through with a price :eek: bump. I guess I'd rather send the extra money to the Russians than have to buy primers on the black market if the current administration :fire: tightens the leash.
 
JGAreddog, sorry if this seems harsh, but I have to protect my company's interests here and not help the competition source components. I found a source on my own, you'll have to do the same.
 
Please let Cabela's Fort Worth know the primer shortage is over. They have not had primers since WAY before the election.

Thanks in advance :),
LeonCarr
 
Gotta laugh at some of the posts. One fellow talks of buying only few thousand primers....on another board, yet now boasts of knowing an importer/supplier that has plenty? GOTTA CALL BS on this!

Now if you want BS, if you are reloading 1 Million Rounds a Month
Until I can place an order for the millions primers I need per month with a 2 week lead time, it ain't over
Sorry I am not going to believe that you are loading 1 millions rounds a month on a 1 Dillon 550, that means you would have about 2500 hours of work. (400 avg per hr). Last I checked.....there are only 720 hrs in a month.....LOL talk about BS! I would not believe that BS if you had couple of Dillon Super 1050's.........
Funny how this stuff gets so out of hand!:barf::barf::barf::barf::barf:
 
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I think the guy who posted that is a dealer.

But I don't see the shortage as over until I can readily get them at retail, and that is not happening yet.
 
I think the guy who posted that is a dealer.
Still does not matter! He is talking BS! He has no capacity to reload that much so his assertions are groundless. Someone loading 1 Million Rounds a month would not be doing it with a Dillon 550.......So you see the post worthless!

I personally know one of the largest reloading suppliers in MN! And, the places that are large distributors of stuff have primers going out the door as fast as they arrive.

Just like waiting for VV or Lapua product it comes on containers shipped from Europe.

Stuff comes in waves, and there is no steady stream of product. Demand exceeds supply period.
 
Still does not matter! He is talking BS! He has no capacity to reload that much so his assertions are groundless. Someone loading 1 Million Rounds a month would not be doing it with a Dillon 550.......So you see the post worthless!

I personally know one of the largest reloading suppliers in MN! And, the places that are large distributors of stuff have primers going out the door as fast as they arrive.

Just like waiting for VV or Lapua product it comes on containers shipped from Europe.

Stuff comes in waves, and there is no steady stream of product. Demand exceeds supply period.

Umm, where freakshow works they have commercial loading equipment and load in massive quantities. They also have a license to manufacture class 3 I believe. They are way more than a guy in a garage with a 550.
 
Wow, his company must be huge, I wonder how many employees he has on his staff. FreakShow, how many people do you have? I knew you were moving right along by what I read on other websites and from the people you've traded with.
 
Umm, where freakshow works they have commercial loading equipment and load in massive quantities. They also have a license to manufacture class 3 I believe. They are way more than a guy in a garage with a 550.

Yeah right! Sure! He is small time operation! Get real!
 
As of this afternoon the local gunshop had LR, SM & LP.........no SP...........but all of them were priced at $40 / 1000.
 
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