The Sad Story of American Hunting Rifles

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From the latter 1800s until the end of WW I, the American hunter – both East and West, and all over Alaska – had hunting rifles. That is – rifles and cartridges that were – by design - eminently suitable for the American hunter. They were lever-actions in such calibers as 30 WCF (30/30), .32 Special., .35 Remington, .44/40 etc.

At the end of the Spanish-American War a few “captured” (read: $0.00) Mexican Mausers made their way home with returning soldiers but the “real” hunting rifles were still the lever-actions - the various Winchesters and the Savage 99. But these rifles cost what they were worth.

At the end of WW I, the Doughboys drug home trainloads of “captured” (read: $0.00) Mausers etc., many kept their Springfields (read $0.00 or CHEAP), and the DCM unloaded thousands more for CHEAP onto the American Public.

American hunters flocked to those bolt-actions because they were a CHEAP alternative to the real hunting rifles – rifles designed for hunting game. NOT because they were suitable for hunting here. In fact, they weren’t so suitable – which gave rise to the cottage industry of Bubba’ing the klunker war guns to try to get them to work decently in the hunting fields.

In the Roaring 20s the gunmakers actually focused more on firepower and that is when we started to see the semi-auto (or “auto”) come on the scene. Lever-actions were still on the production lines but the “new kid on the block” was the semi-auto, and the bolt guns were a pitifully small market among civilians. No money in competing with all that war surplus.

Things stagnated in the depressed years of the 30s and then someone got the idea to throw WW II and the gunmakers responded by gearing up to churn out those Springfields and Garands and M1s etc. – and the lever-action hunting guns went to the back of the bus since everyone was too busy elsewhere to worry about deer hunting, or hunting much of any American game.

At the end of WW II – GI Joe again carted home souvenir military rifles (again for $0., or CHEAP), and the DCM again dumped their excess war guns onto the Public – again for CHEAP. The gunmakers were fully tooled to produce bolt-actions and semi-autos now – especially in calibers the Military liked - and lost no time (or money) in kicking out a raft of such guns and marketing them as hunting rifles.

By this time, too, scopes were losing their former bad reputation as “too fragile” and were starting to be produced within the budget of the newly prosperous 1950’s hunting families. And with that new prosperity came the ability to travel AND all the hype about needing an ex-Military caliber (how financially convenient for the gunmakers) for the “wide open West” and Alaska (where the true hunting rifles - the lever-actions - had rightfully reigned Supreme for 90 years or so.). So by 1960 the American hunter was pretty well convinced he/she needed a scoped bolt-action in a caliber designed to pierce enemy armor at 400yds. so he/she to slay 150-lb. deer at 150yds.

Then Viet Nam came along and since then we pretty much need the ugliest, blackest, semi-auto military “rifle” , man-damager caliber – adaptable to more pinstripes, in-dash accourtements, and hubcaps than the whole line of General Motors cars - we can find if we are to have any hope at all of bagging prairie dogs, woodchucks, coyotes, deer, elk, bears, zombies, or paper targets.

However - there are still – surprisingly – some Neanderthal lunatics around who actually attempt to harvest game with old Roman Candles like the lever-action 30/30s – some of them even without scopes with heat-seeking reticules - because they simply don’t know any better and never got passed Y-1939-Compliant. But they probably can’t hold out much longer.

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Hee hee - thanks for the history lesson. In my book, leverguns = very good (bought one yesterday). Turnbolts also = very good. Six of one....
 
love the diatribe. don't think its accurate, though.

some rifle shooters really like precision and like to be able to hit tiny, distant targets reliably - which removes the lever actions.

i do like levers, owning a receiver-sighted marlin 336 and a soon-to-be receiver sighted savage 99 (currently scoped w/ a lyman alaskan, which i'll pull), and as accurate as those guns are, they are a far cry from a bolt - especially when exceeding 6 or 800 yards.
 
especially when exceeding 6 or 800 yards

I think he said "hunting" rifles.

That would generally mean something different from plugging something at close to 1000 yards.
 
Very, very Dangerous Weapons

LOL ! The "guy from Ohio" has hunted in about half the U.S.

Except for that he has very little experience.

Why does some from Purd - yeeeeeeeeeewww think he knows anything ?

LOL !

;)
 
I got a lever yesterday too. I intend to use it sometime this season on deer :eek:

With iron sights no less :neener:
 
Hmmm, I still hunt with either a 1881 Marlin, a 1865 Spencer, a Rossi pump 22, a Colt SAA 44.:)
I don't know if I'd count myself in with the neanderthal crowd or a Roman candle though.:uhoh:
As I've said before I don't harvest either, thats for farmers:rolleyes:
I hunt, shoot and kill game for meat.;)
 
Uh, is there a point in this or was this just a cathartic rant to which there is no intelligent reply?
 
Got a Winchester 94 in 30-30 that has killed a lot of game. Got another 94 in .375 Win that has done some killing and is a hoot to shoot. Now a days most all my hunting is done with a .303 Enfield or a shotgun.
 
"Uh, is there a point in this or was this just a cathartic rant to which there is no intelligent reply?"


Uh... if the words in the thread title are too big for you I surely apologize. Isn't there anyone there at the house that can help you with them ?

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What about all the old Sharps and Remington rolling blocks buffalo hunters (& deer, elk, ect) used? Weren`t they considered a perfered "hunting rifle" when the levers came to be popular.
The Lever was developed during the Civil war as a military weapon, not a hunting arm, along with the old 44-40. The fact it was later used as one is moot. Ask the Confederate army.
The point I`m trying to make is all hunting arms were weapons of war at some period. The bolts and semi-autos are simply the latest additions.......technology marches on.;)
 
the DCM again dumped their excess war guns onto the Public

One rifle per person, per lifetime, after documenting formal marksmanship activity, is hardly "dumping".

I thought "real" rifles were single-shots, like the Sharps, or Ballard.

Those new-fangled mechanical contraptions being mass-produced by Winchester and Kennedy have no place in the hands of legitimate sportsmen. They just make us responsible gun owners look bad.

Edited to add: That's my point, Ol' Joe. Frankly, I wonder how a true sportsman can justify the use of those new-fangled percussion caps.
 
I suspect an awful lot of postwar American hunters used those eminently unsuitable 58 caliber Springfields. For pretty much the same reasons a later generation of postwar hunters used 30 caliber Springfields.
 
Hooray for the Sharps and the Ballards and the Hi- and Low-walls and the Ruger #1 and Browning 78 - I love 'em.

Didn't take long for the politically correct sourpusses to show up, did it, Y'All ? :rolleyes:


LOLOLOLOL ! :D:D:D:D
 
This whole opinionated pontification is based solely on the completely false predication that bolt action rifles are somehow less suitable for hunting than leverguns. Completely ignoring the fact that just like the bolt action the lever action was originally designed marketed towards military usage. NOT hunting as you incorrectly claim

You've been watching way too many John Wayne movies if you actually believe that most settlers on the frontier used a levergun. At those times they were really far too expensive for your average sharecropper who wanted to kill some free meat from time to time. For those people a single shot shotgun reigned supreme.

Nice try though, might convince some newbie who doesn't know any better or some old timers who just like to be told what they wanna hear.
 
Original hunting rifles= single shot.

Nothing wrong with a lever action for shorter range work, but levers are really the assault rifles of the West, not the dedicated hunters. The .44/40 is an anemic round that will do the job on deer at close range or with great aim, but is less effective than the much maligned 7.62x39mm with expanding bullets. I'd defend myself with a .44/40, but would hate to hunt with it if I had almost any other option.

So you like levers. Great. I have my Winchester Trapper, and it's a neat little piece, but if I really needed for my family to eat, and had to hunt for the meat, it would be close to the last of my longarms I'd choose, because it's just less capable as a general purpose hunter.

My 7600 is better, overall.
My 1903 is better, overall.
My 1999-actioned .35 Whelen is better, overall.
My Mossberg 500 is better, overall.
Even my AR-15 carbine with the right ammunition is better for everything except close shots on hogs.

In fact, the only centerfire longarms in the house that are not better suited in general for hunting are my match HB STG-58 (I rate it as tied, because it's better for distance, but unwieldy for quick work) and my wife's 5.45x39mm AK.

John
 
Krochus my fine fellow - it's a fact the single shot (and dbl) shotgun was common on the frontier - as were the single-shot black powder rifles of all make and manner. And it's true most of the venerable Peacemakers spent their lives asleep in the shopkeeper's drawers. But the lever was there in large numbers even though it was not a big factor in the War of the Rebellion.

My, my you lads seem wound tight today:what:. Didn't realize a tale that isn't Mil-Spec would ruffle the petticoats of the lever-action-challenged crowd so badly. Sure wish I could say I was sorry. :(


:D
 
My folks split up in 1940 when I was six, so my first ideas about guns came from my mother. I had revolver-type cap pistols, and my first "real gun" was a Christmas gift from her: A Daisy Red Ryder! A lever-gun! Just like in the cowboy movies! That was Christmas, 1941. Pretty good idea from a psychology professor, right? But for a .22, I had to make do with my grandfather's bolt action.

Then my father's side of the family got into the act. Uncle Joe was a gunsmith, and his ranch house smelled like Hoppe's #9 and Bull Durham. He'd become an armorer to the National Guard while still in high school, which would have been around 1923-ish. Bolt actions. Springfields and 1917 Enfields. His attitude was simple: "When I was your age, anything that jumped up inside of 300 yards belonged to me." Sure enough, he still could. He's the one who started me on reloading, and who gave me my first centerfire: A like-NIB 1917 Enfield. Star-gauge barrel.

So, tight groups and Ma Bell capability, ever since.

Now, lever guns are neat. Trouble is, I'm four-eyed and lever guns just don't look right with a scope on top. I'm about halfway-rigid in my notions about aesthetics, whether women, cars or guns. I have a 94 thutty-thutty that I load for, and it's fun to shoot, but I'm nowhere near as reliable with it as I am with my scoped bolt actions.

DRT is much better than, "Aw, rats!" (To keep Grammaw quiet.)

From a cause-and-effect standpoint, though, I imagine the reason so many guys went to the ex-military rifles and cartridges was because they could hit targets reliably at longer distances than with the .30-30 to .45-70 types. They had learned from experience, remember. I think "reliably" is the key word. After all, there were some good economic times, before and after WW I. Folks could pretty much afford any basic hunting rifle. The 1920s in particular were much like our 1990s. And there were almost no gunzines or gunwriters doing a bunch of hype; those are really post-1950s insofar as numbers.

During the Depression, ex-military rifles WERE cheap. Springfields for $3, versus a Model 70 at around $54. I don't recall what a 94 sold for. And, some hunters used nearly-free GI ammo: Some cut off the front end, to make an expanding bullet, which occasionally had the lead blow out for a next-shot Oops! Others reversed the bullet to put the lead in front. Still, that's but a few years out of many.

Drifting: Granted, a civilian hunter doesn't have to worry about his buttons and belt buckle keeping him from getting closer to the ground--but a lever gun isn't worth a hoot from the prone position. :D:D:D

Art
 
"...but a lever gun isn't worth a hoot from the prone position."


LOLOLOL ! :D:D:D

Oh Really ?

I'll borrow your 94 thutty-thutty and lay down on the ground with one round in the chamber. You stand 250yds. in front of me and yell "Fire" whenever you're ready.

Deal ?

I didn't think so.


LOLOLOL ! :D:D:D
 
Sporting arms have always mirrored military arms. Anyone who thinks otherwise doesn't know their history. Go back to flintlocks, leverguns like the Henry, bolt actions like the Mauser/Springfield, and now the semi-autos. Perhaps we have reached a point where our sporting arms no longer need to mirror the military guns. The M16 has been around since the 60's and it's finally caught on in the sporting crowd. I'd say we resisted it for about 40 years.

I consider myself a traditionalist and hate to see the old stuff go away but it seems inevitable. Most younger shooters have little respect for the older guns IMO.

Having carried an M16 for uncle sam I can attest it is a fun gun and I can see the appeal of the AR's. I just like my stuff to have a little more character.
 
Now, now, Shawnee, ya gotta consider a second shot. :) I've made a world of one-shot kills, but I was always quickly ready for a second shot if need be. I've always been a strong believer in insurance. :D
 
Things stagnated in the depressed years of the 30s
From a sporting industry and development standpoint maybe. However I recall the 30's had more game harvested than anytime since.
So much that deer and other game almost went extinct in many areas.
That is at a time when there was more deer habitat than today, prior to the WW2 and post WW2 track homes and suburbs that would pop up all over the nation.

Technicaly it was primarily poachers trying to feed thier family with illegaly harvested deer.
It took deer a number of years to recover in many areas.

(Something also important for all those people that think they would keep themselves or family alive if we had an apocalyptic or natural disaster type event, or even just very hard times. I know I have heard such things a number of times.
It wouldn't happen for long, because hundreds of thousands if not millions of others would be doing the same thing, and the herds would deplete very quickly.
It happened in the 30's with a much higher deer population, a much greater deer and wild habitat, and a much lower human population. You better believe it would happen even more rapidly in modern times.)


So the 1930's were a very big time for hunters, or more correctly, poachers. They learned to do a lot of killing on a very low budget with various improvised rounds and techniques.
Most of it was done with the most affordable firearms of the time period (because they were broke.)
 
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