The Sad Story of American Hunting Rifles
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benEzra
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I respect lever actions. I'd like to own one someday, maybe in .357. They are light, handy, and mechanically interesting, and since I learned to shoot using a Daisy lever-action BB gun, there are some positive associations there.
But as someone whose safe contains only semiautos and a couple of antique milsurp bolt actions at the moment, one of which is 103 years old this year, I have to differ with your condescending characterization of semiauto and bolt-action owners (particularly the former). I don't bash lever-action aficionados, and I would appreciate it if you would please return the favor. Thanks.
cracked butt
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There's a reason why I'm building an EBR hunting rifle- not only is it more powerful, more accurate, and more versatile than the leverguns, but it also irritates those who want to tell me what a hunting rifle should look like.
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Joe Demko
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What cartridge does your rifle use? Lever guns are available in .308 or better-class cartridges.
Regolith
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So is the AR15/AR10 platform. What's yer point?
Joe Demko
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My point is I want to know what cartridge he is using. I thought that was obvious.
Regolith
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[strike]The way you said it implied that you thought that EBR's weren't available in higher-powered rounds like lever guns are. If that wasn't your intention, I'm sorry, but that's how your post reads.[/strike]
Edit: Sorry, went back and re-read the previous posts. I didn't see the part where cracked implied that lever guns weren't available in more powerful cartridges...
Edit: Sorry, went back and re-read the previous posts. I didn't see the part where cracked implied that lever guns weren't available in more powerful cartridges...
Joe Demko
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I'm well aware of the variety of EBR's out there, having owned more than a few. I'm also aware of what lever guns can do, having owned a few of those also.
I want to know what cartridge his rifle is using so that I can see exactly which subset of lever guns it will beat in power.
Nothing more, nothing less.
I want to know what cartridge his rifle is using so that I can see exactly which subset of lever guns it will beat in power.
Nothing more, nothing less.
scythefwd
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Joe,
My question to you is this, is there a levergun that can outpower any erb? I am pretty sure that the most powerful rounds right now are on bolt guns, but I don't think they qualify as ebr's (Im thinking the barrett .50 here)
My question to you is this, is there a levergun that can outpower any erb? I am pretty sure that the most powerful rounds right now are on bolt guns, but I don't think they qualify as ebr's (Im thinking the barrett .50 here)
Joe Demko
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Depends on how far you want to extend the classification for EBR's. If you want to include stuff like the Barrett .50 BMG rifles, then I don't know of a levergun in that class. The Browning BLR is, as we speak, available in choices like 7mm magnum, .300 Winchester Magnum, .300 WSM, 270 WSM, and .325 WSM. This in addition to plain vanilla choices such as .30-06 and .308. Winchester Model 1895's (and their repros) are available in cartridges in the .30-06 class. Savage 99's are pretty common in .308 and the very similarly performing .300 Savage. The Winchester Model 88 and the Sako Finnwolf, if you care to look around for one, used the .308.
So, if he's using an AR-10 or similar, or one of the SVD-type guns, or something else all together, I'm curious just what kind of EBR he's built that is more powerful than everything on that list.
So, if he's using an AR-10 or similar, or one of the SVD-type guns, or something else all together, I'm curious just what kind of EBR he's built that is more powerful than everything on that list.
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As far as "EBR" guns chambered in powerful stuff, you've got AR10 type rifles already chambered in .338 Federal and .308 win, as well as .500 Phantom. You've got Saiga AK rifles chambered in .30-06 and .270 win (though these are not being imported). You've got an AR15 type in .25 WSSM, a fine long-range cartridge, as well as .50 Beowulf, .458 soccom and the like. How powerful is "powerful"? But no, on the whole, you're not gonna get semi-autos up that that same class of power as those BLRs - you're right about that.
Joe Demko
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We need cracked butt to tell us what he meant since he's the guy who made the claim.
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I can't think of any situation where a 30-30 is a better choice for hunting than a 30-06.
I suspect that vast majority of hunters used muzzle loaders, break action shot guns and 22 rimfire up until WW1.
I suspect that vast majority of hunters used muzzle loaders, break action shot guns and 22 rimfire up until WW1.
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let the politicians have ther way and this is all mute
Actually when in grizzly country I've been known to use a sks, a L1A1 or (currently) a M1A. Do I spray alot of rounds out hoping to hit something? No, but having encountered griz while out deer hunting I prefer the ability to throw alot of lead fast IF I need to. So far I've seen the bears before they've seen me and nothing's happened. However just a few miles from here there have several times when bird hunters have been surprised by a charge at very close range and only a 12 ga. at point blank range saved them. I used to hunt with a muzzle loader around here with no qualms but the dang tree-huggers have forced grizz and wolf reinterduction down all the local folks throats.
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Don't forget the leverguns made in 7.62x54r.
Shawnee
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"EBR" ???
Every Boy's Rifle ???
Every Boy's Rifle ???
browningguy
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And there has been no improvement in cars since 1909 either.
Seriously, why would someone think the hunting with a lever action was somehow more noble than hunting with a bolt action. I don't happen to own any levers although in the distant past I did have a Marlin in .35 Remington. I shoot bolts, semi autos and single shots, as varied as an 1870'ish 1/2 action Martini Henry, a 1885 Browning in 45-70, numerous bolts and semi's including a HK SLB-2000. They are all good to me, just pick the one I feel like hunting with at the time.
Seriously, why would someone think the hunting with a lever action was somehow more noble than hunting with a bolt action. I don't happen to own any levers although in the distant past I did have a Marlin in .35 Remington. I shoot bolts, semi autos and single shots, as varied as an 1870'ish 1/2 action Martini Henry, a 1885 Browning in 45-70, numerous bolts and semi's including a HK SLB-2000. They are all good to me, just pick the one I feel like hunting with at the time.
Drgong
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Evil Black Rifle. Aka Fatherland Security Rifle (oops, meant homeland security rifle), aka Assault Weapon
I know a lot of SKS are turned into a poor mans deer rifle. and Remington sells AR-15s as "Modular Repeating Rifles " for hunting.
cracked butt
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I haven't made up my mind yet, but have narrowe down to 6.5 grendel, 6.8spc, or 458 socom. I'm leaning heavily towards the 458 though as I've wanted one of those for a few years.
Sure you could get a lever gun like a savage 99 or winchester 95 in as powerful or more powerful cartridges, but but neither of those rifles is the lightweight carbine 'brush gun' that people usually equate leverguns to be (and they are both as ugly as sin).
BTW, I already have bolt guns in 30-06 and .308, I don't see any point in putting that cartridge in a lever action.
I would tend to agree, except for platform. If you want a short, fast gun still hunting or such, lever actions are faster than most other types. Of course, you could still get something like a slide action 7600.
Just a matter of preference. I own a 7600 and a Winchester Trapper.
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