The Tactical 30-30 Lever Action Rifle
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Oh god it's back from the dead!!!
Die zombie thread, die!!!
Die zombie thread, die!!!
What do you think cut these 16 inches or 20 inches. http://world.guns.ru/rifle/rfl25-e.htm 
I am really found of my 94 30/30 one of the best all round rifles ever made but i would not want to go against a AK or AR and a vest full of 30 round mags.
Mike
I am really found of my 94 30/30 one of the best all round rifles ever made but i would not want to go against a AK or AR and a vest full of 30 round mags.Mike
Fast Frank
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New Orleans link?
This looks like interesting reading, but I can't find any "New Orleans link" to follow.
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AStone
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While catching up on reading on this Friday night ... er, Saturday morning
(just before sleep), I had to remind myself about this thread's topic.
"The Tactical 30-30 Lever Action Rifle"
Tactical: Approach taken to achieve
specific objectives or to solve a specific problem.
Maybe we should revisit this question:
what, exactly, are the specific objectives
or problems to be solved in this thread?
Home defense? Check.
Deer/hog hunting? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe.
Fast rnd cycling relative to bolt? Check.
Hunting/HD/SD w/ commonly available ammo? Check.
HD/SD w/o raising jury eyebrows (relative to AK)? Check.
What am I leaving out here?
(just before sleep), I had to remind myself about this thread's topic.
"The Tactical 30-30 Lever Action Rifle"
Tactical: Approach taken to achieve
specific objectives or to solve a specific problem.
Maybe we should revisit this question:
what, exactly, are the specific objectives
or problems to be solved in this thread?
Home defense? Check.
Deer/hog hunting? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe.
Fast rnd cycling relative to bolt? Check.
Hunting/HD/SD w/ commonly available ammo? Check.
HD/SD w/o raising jury eyebrows (relative to AK)? Check.
What am I leaving out here?
Samuraigg
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I think the only problem is lack of quick reloads.
But then again if you need more than 9 or 10 rounds or so for self defense, you've got some serious problems...
But I keep that in mind when considering levers for SHTF.
I still love levers, and plan to make one my next purchase.
AStone
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Sam, relative to what?
I can top my levers off quickly at any time.
Unlike a detachable mag gun,
I don't have to wait for "empty".
I just slide in another X
after touching off X.
And they load fast
(if one knows the trick of
sliding them in past the gate
with your 3rd and 4th fingers ... )
PrimePredator
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Nice 336.
New to the forum. I hope to spend some off time here. Is there any live chat room where folks from the forum converse?
New to the forum. I hope to spend some off time here. Is there any live chat room where folks from the forum converse?
crebralfix
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Suddenly, walls are immune to the short and weak 44 Magnum! I guess they developed an immunity to 44 caliber over time.
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Home defense? Check.
Deer/hog hunting? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe.
Fast rnd cycling relative to bolt? Check.
Hunting/HD/SD w/ commonly available ammo? Check.
HD/SD w/o raising jury eyebrows (relative to AK)? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe ... NOT 'maybe' -- definitely! Get one in 45/70 and you too can shoot elephants!
Deer/hog hunting? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe.
Fast rnd cycling relative to bolt? Check.
Hunting/HD/SD w/ commonly available ammo? Check.
HD/SD w/o raising jury eyebrows (relative to AK)? Check.
Bear/elk/moose hunting. Maybe ... NOT 'maybe' -- definitely! Get one in 45/70 and you too can shoot elephants!
PrimePredator
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The average round going through a normal wall will penetrate about 2 feet then it actually turns left or right and travels down the wall until it becomes lodged or loses momentum. Really doesn't matter what round. Of course there are rounds that won't do this and I don't have the figures on how it was averaged out. I received the information in CRT training. I don't think they'd feed us info to get us killed. As far as home defense give me what I'm comfortable with and what is practical to my situation. That could be anything from a wrist rocket to a .50 AE. to a claymore.
I've recently restored my 336 that I bought 30 years ago. I let my brother use it when I was in the Army and he tore it up. It's been wrapped in grease and cloth for about 20 years. Searching for parts is how I found this forum. Well now that the rifle is up and working again it will be part of my home defense plan. In the home I have a Mossberg 500 12ga pump w/ 20 inch barrel., a Glock in .40 S&W, an AMT .380 BackUp, a Savage Mark II .22 LR and 2 Uberti SSA pistols in .45LC. Plus my duty weapon is a Glock in .45 ACP. I feel confortable and I'm proficient using any one of them. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in the forum with more firepower and More Power To Them. I don't think my marriage would survive more guns at this point. Maybe in the spring.
I've recently restored my 336 that I bought 30 years ago. I let my brother use it when I was in the Army and he tore it up. It's been wrapped in grease and cloth for about 20 years. Searching for parts is how I found this forum. Well now that the rifle is up and working again it will be part of my home defense plan. In the home I have a Mossberg 500 12ga pump w/ 20 inch barrel., a Glock in .40 S&W, an AMT .380 BackUp, a Savage Mark II .22 LR and 2 Uberti SSA pistols in .45LC. Plus my duty weapon is a Glock in .45 ACP. I feel confortable and I'm proficient using any one of them. I'm sure there are plenty of folks in the forum with more firepower and More Power To Them. I don't think my marriage would survive more guns at this point. Maybe in the spring.
target1911
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Here is another with Flat Black Krylon
Fast Frank
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Seems to be catching on!
wuchak
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Seems there are two questions being debated at the same time, if the 30-30 is a good sd cartridge, and if a levergun makes a good tactical gun. With regards to the gun lots of post are equating lever gun with tube magazines which slow reloads. There have been a lot of different leverguns made over the years that took box magazines so reloads were faster and spitzer bullets could be used. Currently you can get the Browning BLR with the detachable mag and it's chambered in a list of modern rifle calibers, unfortunately not 30-30. One nice thing on the BLR is that when you work the lever the trigger comes with it so you don't spear your finger closing it like a Winchester. It also means that your finger never leaves firing position so follow-up shots are faster.
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target1911
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Now I am just wandering what I use to seal the paint and keep the FLAT look.
ThomasT
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Redlion ask in post #173 "What do you guys think would be the max effective range of a lever in .357?"
Depends on what you want ot shoot with it.
Looking at ballistic charts it looks like the lever action has about the same energy at 150 yards as a 6" revolver has at the muzzle. That is based on my chono'ed reloads that hit 1860 fps with a 158 gr bullet.
Most hunters consider 50 to 75 yards as max for deer size game with a 357 handgun. If you add that to the long gun it just became a 200/225 yard deer rifle.
For shooting a human a hit at 250 yards should be effective.
All of this depends on you and your ability to see and hit your target. The energy is there but i would recommend a max of 125 yards for deer. How far away you can shoot at people depends on the situation. I personally would not like to have one of these shot at me if i were 400 yards away.
Depends on what you want ot shoot with it.
Looking at ballistic charts it looks like the lever action has about the same energy at 150 yards as a 6" revolver has at the muzzle. That is based on my chono'ed reloads that hit 1860 fps with a 158 gr bullet.
Most hunters consider 50 to 75 yards as max for deer size game with a 357 handgun. If you add that to the long gun it just became a 200/225 yard deer rifle.
For shooting a human a hit at 250 yards should be effective.
All of this depends on you and your ability to see and hit your target. The energy is there but i would recommend a max of 125 yards for deer. How far away you can shoot at people depends on the situation. I personally would not like to have one of these shot at me if i were 400 yards away.
Samuraigg
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True, but as far as I can see, the BLR has a magazine capacity of either 3 or 4. So you do gain speed of reload but without much capacity.
Good for hunting, but for a "tactical" rifle?
PrimePredator
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As much as I like the lever action gun I wouldn't choose it solely as a tactical weapon. The low capacity mag would leave you out gunned and unless you have a worked action and trigger you are in slow motion compared to semi auto guns firing pistol and rifle ammo. The carbine has a nice length barrel but it's still a bit long for close quarters. As a tactical gun I would not prefer the 336 style.
ArfinGreebly
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Tactical Context
You have probably also heard it said that strategy is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do, and tactics is knowing what to do when there is something to do. That's perhaps a little glib, but still useful.
Things that don't move, or that don't often move, are strategic. Trees, houses, fire hydrants, boulders, mountains, rivers, buildings, roads -- your basic fixed emplacements. They are some of the elements of planning.
Have a house. Have a car. Have a rifle and ammunition. Have food and water. Have training. Have warm clothing. Have the stuff needed to make fire. HAVING these things is strategic. USING these things to solve the problems presented in the strategic contexts is tactics.
As the quote above says, "to solve a specific problem" -- as an element of strategic context.
So, given that you're solving problems in context, we can add a few things to the list:
Now, I was going to mention one-handed shooting, but the full-length .30-30 just doesn't lend itself to that. Shorten it a bit and you get a better balance for that. (The 1894C is lighter and better balanced if you have to shoot one-handed.)
I understand that I'm not telling most of you anything new, but I wanted to 'splain my reasoning.
Later, guys.
Well, let's, for starters, remember that tactics are a facet (or an extension) of strategy, by which I mean that strategy provides the context, the outline, the setting, and tactics is the solution set to the problems presented by the strategic context.
You have probably also heard it said that strategy is knowing what to do when there is nothing to do, and tactics is knowing what to do when there is something to do. That's perhaps a little glib, but still useful.
Things that don't move, or that don't often move, are strategic. Trees, houses, fire hydrants, boulders, mountains, rivers, buildings, roads -- your basic fixed emplacements. They are some of the elements of planning.
Have a house. Have a car. Have a rifle and ammunition. Have food and water. Have training. Have warm clothing. Have the stuff needed to make fire. HAVING these things is strategic. USING these things to solve the problems presented in the strategic contexts is tactics.
As the quote above says, "to solve a specific problem" -- as an element of strategic context.
So, given that you're solving problems in context, we can add a few things to the list:
- light carry while hiking/running (context: hilly country)
- reliable shooting in extreme cold (context: winter/North)
- run-and-shoot reloads (context: fighting in rough cover)
Now, I was going to mention one-handed shooting, but the full-length .30-30 just doesn't lend itself to that. Shorten it a bit and you get a better balance for that. (The 1894C is lighter and better balanced if you have to shoot one-handed.)
I understand that I'm not telling most of you anything new, but I wanted to 'splain my reasoning.
Later, guys.
Warlokke
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Wow...read this whole thread in one sitting (rubs eyes and drains cup of joe).
To aid in not letting this thread die my only comment is that I like the ability of pump shotguns and lever actions to reload during the fight without dropping a mag. Since I can't think of many SD/HD situations where I am going to blast away with more than 1-2 rounds at a time, I like being able to feed more rounds in the side (or bottom with my shotgun), and keeping it topped off that way vice changing mags. It also eliminates a potential problem...most failures with autoloading pistols and rifles seem to be due to mag damage or cheap mags. No mag, no problem.
Oh, BTW, I grew up in rural TN and a lever action 30-30 in the hands of hillbilly used to hunting for meat beats a Thompson in the hands of a federal revenuer anyday....
...just ask a lot of folks up in them TN hills that lived thru the Depression.
To aid in not letting this thread die my only comment is that I like the ability of pump shotguns and lever actions to reload during the fight without dropping a mag. Since I can't think of many SD/HD situations where I am going to blast away with more than 1-2 rounds at a time, I like being able to feed more rounds in the side (or bottom with my shotgun), and keeping it topped off that way vice changing mags. It also eliminates a potential problem...most failures with autoloading pistols and rifles seem to be due to mag damage or cheap mags. No mag, no problem.
Oh, BTW, I grew up in rural TN and a lever action 30-30 in the hands of hillbilly used to hunting for meat beats a Thompson in the hands of a federal revenuer anyday....
...just ask a lot of folks up in them TN hills that lived thru the Depression. - Status
