Overpenetration is a concern of ammunition as much as it is of the caliber but I will admit that I am kind of uneducated about what you would want to use in a 30-30 for that kind of environment. But I do know that there are rounds made for the .308 for more urban type settings so the 30-30 should be doable. Forty-four mag should be workable too and there shouldn't be any issues with a .357.
Maybe someone could share some info with us about ammo for the 30-30.
Also, for some purposes I will agree that a semi-auto would be advantageous but what are the odds that you are going to have to fight off a human wave attack alone?
And if you did, would an AK really do any better than a Winchester?
On paper, an AK, FAL, AR or even an SKS or Garand has a lot of potential advantages. They do have a higher rate of fire and you can reload them faster.
But I don't think that would make a difference if you were attacked by 12 bad guys after a hurricane or something. They would still eventually get you if they were determined enough.
I remember reading something about a group of people in some country that was having a political upheaval. They were all holed up together in a house that was surrounded by a wall around the property. Buildings and people around them were attacked and destroyed but they were left alone because they were armed.
What incredible weapons enabled this group of people to survive such a thing?
One hand grenade and a 1911.
Seems the fact that you can let some air out of a bad guy is often enough to make them let you alone.
If a handgun and one relatively anemic explosive devise can do that, what can a rifle that will put hot lead in something at over 200 yards and can fire about one aimed round a second (give or take) do for you?
My answer is "enough".
And you could probably multiply that to 2 rifles because you can still get them for about half the cost of an AK or about a quarter the cost of an AR or FAL.
BTW - I really love this thread !
Maybe someone could share some info with us about ammo for the 30-30.
Also, for some purposes I will agree that a semi-auto would be advantageous but what are the odds that you are going to have to fight off a human wave attack alone?
And if you did, would an AK really do any better than a Winchester?
On paper, an AK, FAL, AR or even an SKS or Garand has a lot of potential advantages. They do have a higher rate of fire and you can reload them faster.
But I don't think that would make a difference if you were attacked by 12 bad guys after a hurricane or something. They would still eventually get you if they were determined enough.
I remember reading something about a group of people in some country that was having a political upheaval. They were all holed up together in a house that was surrounded by a wall around the property. Buildings and people around them were attacked and destroyed but they were left alone because they were armed.
What incredible weapons enabled this group of people to survive such a thing?
One hand grenade and a 1911.
Seems the fact that you can let some air out of a bad guy is often enough to make them let you alone.
If a handgun and one relatively anemic explosive devise can do that, what can a rifle that will put hot lead in something at over 200 yards and can fire about one aimed round a second (give or take) do for you?
My answer is "enough".
And you could probably multiply that to 2 rifles because you can still get them for about half the cost of an AK or about a quarter the cost of an AR or FAL.
BTW - I really love this thread !
