Dave McCracken
Moderator In Memoriam
Ladies and Gentlemen, my $0.02...
In the long gone days on my youth, I got to play with a Winchester 73 in 44-40, a saddle ring carbine of venerable age and little bluing. For fast work inside 50 yards, it was terrific. I knew how to work it from the shoulder before puberty kicked in.
Later there was a Marlin 44 mag, same deal. Even the glitch-cursed 45-70 Marlin I had briefly was fast handling (when it worked at all), though recoil was stout.
In the mid 80s I bought a 94 in 30-30, sold it when the elder Bush banned "Assault weapons" to get a SKS, which I tweaked to a 3-4" shooter at 100 yards(Trigger job, glass bedding, teflon taped gas tube,peep sight) with a 30 round magazine. Sold it after getting another 94 when I decides ChiCom stuff had no place in Casa McC. I did try some fast short range COFs side by side. For 5 shots, scores were identical and times were less than 1 second faster with the auto. More practice would cancel that, IMO.
Now my HBAR (Hill Billy Assault Rifle) is a fast handling, reasonably accurate tool for handling anything out to 200 yards, works for deer, and causes less Angst for non-shooters than an EBR. With trigger job, sling studs and peep sight, it still came in under $225. Not so great for repelling hordes of enemies, but I do not have hordes of enemies. In cases of civil disorder, it'll neutralize the first 6 or so in very short order, and I doubt suppressive fire here in the 'burbs will be needed very much.
FWIW, one local shooting club holds 30-30 matches, with 40 shots fired offhand at steel targets 200 yards away. Some possibles get fired.
Rules state any rifle chambered in 30-30 and using non optical sights is kosher.
As for the pistol caliber carbines, great fun lots of utility and a good way to start off newbies.
In the long gone days on my youth, I got to play with a Winchester 73 in 44-40, a saddle ring carbine of venerable age and little bluing. For fast work inside 50 yards, it was terrific. I knew how to work it from the shoulder before puberty kicked in.
Later there was a Marlin 44 mag, same deal. Even the glitch-cursed 45-70 Marlin I had briefly was fast handling (when it worked at all), though recoil was stout.
In the mid 80s I bought a 94 in 30-30, sold it when the elder Bush banned "Assault weapons" to get a SKS, which I tweaked to a 3-4" shooter at 100 yards(Trigger job, glass bedding, teflon taped gas tube,peep sight) with a 30 round magazine. Sold it after getting another 94 when I decides ChiCom stuff had no place in Casa McC. I did try some fast short range COFs side by side. For 5 shots, scores were identical and times were less than 1 second faster with the auto. More practice would cancel that, IMO.
Now my HBAR (Hill Billy Assault Rifle) is a fast handling, reasonably accurate tool for handling anything out to 200 yards, works for deer, and causes less Angst for non-shooters than an EBR. With trigger job, sling studs and peep sight, it still came in under $225. Not so great for repelling hordes of enemies, but I do not have hordes of enemies. In cases of civil disorder, it'll neutralize the first 6 or so in very short order, and I doubt suppressive fire here in the 'burbs will be needed very much.
FWIW, one local shooting club holds 30-30 matches, with 40 shots fired offhand at steel targets 200 yards away. Some possibles get fired.
Rules state any rifle chambered in 30-30 and using non optical sights is kosher.
As for the pistol caliber carbines, great fun lots of utility and a good way to start off newbies.