JImbothefiveth
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People don't always stop with the first round.if you need more than six rounds and there are fewer than 5 bad guys, you're doing something wrong.
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It still takes more time, and sometimes a rilfe won't go off-target when it recoils, in which case semi-auto would be faster.working the lever is just as fast as a semi auto because you don't disrupt your sight picture any more than recoil does.
I can't think of where those would be a problem and a lever wouldn't.3. a 30-30 has way fewer protuberences than an MP5, or M4 does
Compared to what? A rifle can take advantage of semi-auto operation more, because it has less recoil. Also, a 12 gauge will probably have more stopping power, and go through less walls.If the pump shotgun is an effective weapon despite it's limited capacity and manual operation, then so is the lever rifle.
There was a news story a while ago about a cop who had to shoot someone over 20 times with his .40 before he stopped. Obviously a .30-30 has more stopping power, although it's still a concern.Mall Ninja concerns aside. Your not going to be shooting dozens of rounds anywhere but the range or for plinking. Legally your responsable for every shot you fire even when shooting in self defense. So 6 to 10 rounds will be plenty.
If you shoot 5 rounds and the threat hasn't stopped? The AR or whatever would have more rounds. Although I wouldn't want to use an m1a indoors, it has more energy and maybe more stopping power than 30-30.In what situation, that a civilian might face where they could legally use a rifle, will a lever gun fail? How exactly would an AR, AK, SKS, or M1a help them in that situation?
With more practice, the semi-auto will still be faster.did try some fast short range COFs side by side. For 5 shots, scores were identical and times were less than 1 second faster with the auto. More practice would cancel that,
Against people using bolt-actionsLever guns were used as battle rifles, by the...Turks, I believe?
Yes, in the 19th century.Teddy Roosevelt and his motley crew of Rough Riders used a lot of lever action rifles to good effect in Cuba.
PartiallyIt isn't box magazine fed?
YesIt isn't semi auto?
Depends on the lever gun. If it's much more powerful than the 7.62x39, I wouldn't want to use it indoors.It fires a cartridge that is by order of magnatude many times more powerful than an AR's widdle bitty .22 caliber pill?
?It isn't black?
It doesn't have a pistol grip
I prefer it have neither of those.
They are faster to reload and are semi-auto.if the lever action is bad, then so is the Garand and m14
I'd rather have the .30-30 for self-defense.If rifle range is a must then an SKS or even an Enfield or Springfield ’03 bolt action seem better choices then a 30-30 lever gun.
Could you provide a plausible scenario where 10 rounds of .44mag (94 Trapper) is not enough that 1) is survivable; 2) a 20/30 round mag is what have made it survivable; QUOTE]
If you are attacked by, say, 4 people, 10 rounds might not be enough, considering that it will often take more than one shot to stop someone.
How is it better? For HD I won't be shooting more than 15 yards, and a shotgun will go through less walls.So maybe a lever is the BEST HD and truck gun, huh? I allways thought the shotgun but maybe not.
I know they want to ban it, however, the mini-14 doesn't look like an "assault weapon"Okay. And one more thing, what's going to be better to come into court with after using your HD gun, an "assualt weapon" or grampa's deer gun?
Yes, although you also gain some.Are you giving anything significant up for defensive handguns if you use revolver vs auto?
Cirillo used his fine, while some FBI agents dies because theirs were underpowered,Given that handguns are underpowered, is a revolver a liability in self defense (and if so who is going to tell Mr. Cirillo?)?
Yes, however I think niether is as good as, say, a mini-14.Isn't a 357 lever gun at least as good as a 357 wheelgun?? Lets see 6 rounds in the revolver vs 9+1 in the lever gun. And the 158hp's grainers will be going faster from the lever gun than 125's will go from a 4" revolver.
I wouldn't want to fire a .45-70 indoors.BTW full (modern lever action level) power 45-70 loads with 400 grain bullets will have trajectory very close to 357/158 grain loads from levergun.
It's more of a concern if you have other people living in different rooms of the house.Don't worry about overpenetration
No, calibers like 30-30 don't usually have that much magazine capacity.The lever action's only disadvantage comes from being a little slow to reload. If you choose a rifle chambered for a revolver cartridge, or a 30/30, 35 Rem, 444 ect. with a full magazine. You will 8-10+ rounds at the ready.I hope they don't, however it's not good to count on that.Not too many BG's will stand and fight,It's better not to have to switch to something with less stopping power, that is more difficult to aim.and if you're concerned about running out of ammunition, a pisol belt complete with pistol, extra magaz ines and flashlight makes a fine companion when you grab you're rifle (or in my case shotgun) in the middle of the night.
It still can't shoot as fast as a semi-auto.Figure you just got to have them quick box magazine taktikewl (which is the correct spelling) reloads? May I recommend to you the Winchester Model 88, the Sako Finnwolf, the BLR, and some variants of the Savage Model 99?They probably don't have as much as a shotgun. Seeing as how I've never been in a gunfight, I figure the more I have the better.Afraid that the .30-30 or the pistol calibers just don't have the range and "knockdown" you need for the two or three gunfights you get into on a daily basis?Unless you get attacked by more than one person, or you hurt your arm, or perhaps some other scenarios.Please check out all those same rifles. They are available new and used in all manner of real, true rifle cartridges.
Give it up chairborne rangers and mall-ninjas. For anything a civilian or 99.999% of LE is going to do, a lever gun will handle it.
Most people can't. For most people, a semi-auto will be faster.I -know- I can ratchet off 170 grains into the black at 15-20 yards faster than I can hit the black with my pop's uber tactical AR carbine he's so fond of.
Sometimes people just will not stop. Ever shot a deer that just wouldn't stop, or ran 100 yards? Now imagine if it was shooting at you.If you cant pop the dude in your own house within 7 rounds then you dont need a new rifle
Yes, and semi-autos allow you to do that faster.The only FEATURE of a weapon that stops a fight is the projectile that enters the target nearest to Center Mass.
When do you expect to shoot someone at 100 yards?I enjoy the information that everyone has added. But I know for a fact that a 30/30 lever action rifle like a marlin, has more authority at 100yrds than a .223, 44mag, or a 357 mag.
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