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the ultimate AK accessory, ever!!

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rangerruck

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I wasn't sure where to put this, so I'll start here. I was at the gunshow today in Houston, and at my friend Leo's table, and he introduced me to a dude there. His name is Nelson, and he is the pres of Texas Weapon Systems. www.texasweaponsystems.com , 512.791.7783. He is a shooter, and likes ak's, he is also a metal dude, machine worker, an engineer, and inventor, and he had his whole family there as well, don't see that very much!!! Anyway, he has invented a top rail, that 'floats' from the rear tang of an ak, over the top of your ak, up to the leaf site of your ak. It is a standard milspec 1913 rail, that uses all stainless steel pins, screws, springs, etc., the rail is hard anodized aluminum. The genius of it is the dogleg bend over the top, to the normal rear site of your ak; this allows the rail to sit right over the top of the ak cover. You can use a huge varmint scope if you like, up to about a 44 or 46 mm objective, and keep it very low mounted, without the front bell touching the gas tube of the weapon. you can put multiple stuff on the rail as well, it is very long. in a pinch, since it is as low as the normal rear leaf site of the ak, if you took all the stuff off of it, you can look right down the top of the rail, and still easily see your front site, to shoot in a pinch if you had to.
When you unhook the rear latch, it still is connected to the leaf spring holes, so it opens up like your car hood! when you latch it back down, you do not lose or change your zero. You can also put on your own sights on it, if you like.
He has been beta testing it for a while, and this is it , the final product. He has also had it beta tested by a bunch of ak shooters, side by side, with the dpms top rail, and the Krebs Kustom rail; it not only does a better job than those, but it is cheaper.
It will also fit a variety of ak's, including Saigas, and even side folders with a drop tang, like Polish tantals. it comes with two diff s.s. screws for the rear tang, in case you have wood or synthetic. he is also currently working on two new products along with this; a rear peepsite, that attaches to the rear of the rail, and a two piece front site; looks just like a regular ak sight, but the top piece with the ears fits into a sliding dovetail rail, that allow it to slide left and right, for zeroing. The genius here is, normally when you move your front sight on a ak, the post moves but the ears don't, so that your front post, can look ' out of center' inside the post ears, and be quite distracting, even causing you to look slower through the sight ears, because the left and right uneveness is throwing you off. No more with this little baby. I saw both of his prototypes of the rear peep and the front sight today; very well built and thought out.
Anyway, I know when I get all the materials I want to convert my Saigas, and put green dots on them, this rail is going on them as well.
Go check out his website, and also, there is an ongoing discussion of this product over on www.ar15.com , with some of the testers as well, just go to the ak47 section, and check out the 'optics and accessories' thread.
I myself looked through / over the rail, he had attached to an STG 2000, and I did a fast shoulder , with the rail and front site only, with the rear peep site prototype, and with a quick detach acog; All I can say is, wow!!!! fast and impressive.
Also he told me, and if you like, we can do a group buy. They are normally 129. a piece, but if we get 20 or more together, he will go 99 a piece, he told me he has to make a run of 500 or more at a time, to get his labor costs down, which is why they are normally 129 each. but even so, they are still cheaper than the other supposedly best two rails out there.
Okay, so if interested, jump in line here, and email me back, and once we get at least 20, we can do this thing.
 
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That style rail ("Tantal rails" or whatever you want to call them) are a very good solution to the problem of AKs and optics. The only drawback I see with them is that if your AK has a serious stoppage clearing it can require removing the top cover (and, from experience, a lot of pain and effort -- in a real gunfight I'd be going for my pistol unless I was hunkered down behind something solid and had covering fire) -- not a big deal if you're using your AK as a pig gun or similar, but a potential liability for a defensive gun. That said, if this guy's set up has a latch rather than screwing in place (like the DPH version) it's a major step in a better direction -- I believe the Krebs rail has a latch also, though haven't seen it due to price and scarcity.
 
it is a latch, a floating rear stainless steel crosspin, that is pushed upwards by a stainless steel spring. like your ak cover, where you push in on the rear thumb press, to release the top cover, this thumbpress, you push down and in on it, and the whole rail flips up, just like the hood of your car! remember the front of this rail, is attached to where you normally would have your ak rear leaf sight. It was so freaking cool, and of course , your stuff stays attached to the rail, which is now facing a little past straight up vertical, and totally out of your way, to remove your ak cover, like you normally would.
 
Interesting but it looks like a pain to take the gun down for cleaning and how well would it hold zero afthe being dismanteled?

I'll stick with my Ultimak mount and holosight. That is good enought for as accurate as my AK is.
 
again, the rear of it flips up and out of the way, like your car hood, the mountblock never moves off of the rear tang, so when you snap it back down, it is in the exact same place, you never lose or move your zero.

he also has an email sight, and phone number; I will answer as many questions as I can, but I am sure he can do a lot better, I will just tell you as much detail as I saw and handled.
 
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This sounds like another imagining of the Polish Beryl rail.

MTMilitiaman said:
Does it work if the rear tang has been removed to facilitate installation of an ACE folding stock?
You're out of luck, I'm afraid.
 
I have to admit, the dog leg thing seems like the best solution, IMO. The thing would allow for aperture sights, as well as an optic, without being quite so weird to work with as some of the side mounted rails.

It'd be nifty, if I still had an AK.

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nalioth said:
"Tactical" is a mindset, not an equipment list.
That's awesome.
 
if your folding stock has a solid block of material, that does not move, where the rear tang would normally be, then the quick release block mount on this , would screw right down onto your block-then I don't see why not; but email the dude, with a pic of it, just to make sure.
 
It's about time someone came up with a design that didn't cost a fortune. Guess we'll just have to wait for a 'guinea pig' to test it and see if it holds up to the loosey-goosey AK shake.

 
dude above; go over to www.ar15.com and check out the ak 47 group, then go down to the optics and accessories thread. there you will find many of the people's results and beta testers, and what they encountered, and what was fixed, or needed a remedy. As far as I am concerned, it is complete, and done. all he needs now, is his final setup for the new 2 piece front site, and the windage assembly for the rear peep. But the rail is totally done, and 100% perfect; no wobble, allways returns to zero.
 
It looks like if you put a tube-style dot on a low ring you would not need a cheek piece.

Do they make irons sights for this setup? Like a rear aperture that uses the AK front sight post?

The only advantage that I see the Krebs having over this, on paper, is an integral rear aperture.

AFAIK the tang, yeah, it almost certainly requires the tang to be intact. However, I spoke to the good people at ACE and they advised that you CAN use their receiver blocks with the tang intact, you just need to dremel/WECSOG out a channel for the tang to fit into. You can then mount a "pignose" (their part for mounting AR-15 stock) to the receiver block, just mounting it fractionally lower to clear the tang. No side-folders, though. The mechanism is too large (it would push the stock down too far for good ergos).

Mike
 
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Here's an off-the-cuff idea, too.

Everyone is all about making a rail fit over the dustcover, with minimal clearance, in order to get the optics low. However, this forces you to stay above the top of the dustcover, and it changes your malfucntion clearance drill (yes, AKs have them) to pop off rear of rail, swing rail up, pop off dust cover, address issue.

Why not have the rail replace the dustcover?

you can still mount it solidly fore and aft on the rear sight block and the rear trunnion, but now you can get lower and are not constrained by the shape of the dustcover. You also remove a step from the clearance process, and probably shave a little weight from the complete rifle. The whole thing seems like a simpler solution, though prossibly slightly more expensive, as it would require additional metalwork to fashion the dustcover, and may require a custom recoil spring guide/takedown button.

On the plus side, though, it would liberate you from having to use the rear tang (you could access the other bolt hole on the top of the rear trunnion), and if done right I THINK it would be drop-in capable...no permanent adjustments to the weapon.

I think.

Mike
 
I agree a replacement dust cover would probably be best. I would worry about the cost though. Who's going to buy a $400 rail for a $600 rifle?
 
The same people that will put a $500 Aimpoint Micro T-1 on a $300 SAR-1.

FWIW, if you're doing a red dot, this is all unnecessary. Aimoint Micro + Ultimak rail FTW. If you're on a budget, the LaRue Irondot has a lot to recommend itself.

However, for a magnified optic, this type pf setup is probably a good idea.

Mike
 
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