Beretta is the oldest firearms manufacturing company still in operation. Tradition? I think that qualifies as tradition. That beign said. I don't have a Beretta 92. Its big, heavy, has a slide mounted safety, which operates in the wrong direction. I don't like the grip angle. But it is a fine weapon, which is accurate and easy to shoot. I wouldn't feel slighted if I had to carry one, but if in the armed forces I would demand or purchase my own M11 (Sig P228) instead. I still want a Model 85 Cheetah though. Nice little .380.
The Ultimate Beretta Hate Thread
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SGTIsaj23
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Several things about Berettas;
1. If you can't handle the larger grip, get a smaller gun. Easy enough.
2. If you're buying a 9mm, for anything other than range shooting, you're stupid.
3. I don't know if any of you have actually taken apart a beretta but it has 4 more moving parts than the glock.
4. If you bend the barrel on the beretta you are being very irresponsible with the gun and shouldn't really be allowed to have one to begin with and I would suggest seeing someone about those anger issues.
5. I see no problems with a light recoil because that allows you to recover your sight picture quicker.
6. Glock says you don't have to clean or oil the gun but every gunsmith I have spoken to says you should anyway because have to and shouldn't are two different words with very different meanings.
7. The 92/96 of whatever variation weren't designed for CCW. That's why beretta came out with the Cougars.
8. That little black thing what pops up when you pull the trigger is actually a safety feature. It blocks the firing pin and further prevents accidental discharge. If you don't like safer weapons see point 4.
I don't have problems with other weapons but I like my 96 FS as my service weapon. It is safe and rugged. I don't plan on shooting people while wading through a lake so I'm set.
P.S. Most times sarcasm and hate-speak is just a way of hiding the fact that you really do like Berettas.
1. If you can't handle the larger grip, get a smaller gun. Easy enough.
2. If you're buying a 9mm, for anything other than range shooting, you're stupid.
3. I don't know if any of you have actually taken apart a beretta but it has 4 more moving parts than the glock.
4. If you bend the barrel on the beretta you are being very irresponsible with the gun and shouldn't really be allowed to have one to begin with and I would suggest seeing someone about those anger issues.
5. I see no problems with a light recoil because that allows you to recover your sight picture quicker.
6. Glock says you don't have to clean or oil the gun but every gunsmith I have spoken to says you should anyway because have to and shouldn't are two different words with very different meanings.
7. The 92/96 of whatever variation weren't designed for CCW. That's why beretta came out with the Cougars.
8. That little black thing what pops up when you pull the trigger is actually a safety feature. It blocks the firing pin and further prevents accidental discharge. If you don't like safer weapons see point 4.
I don't have problems with other weapons but I like my 96 FS as my service weapon. It is safe and rugged. I don't plan on shooting people while wading through a lake so I'm set.
P.S. Most times sarcasm and hate-speak is just a way of hiding the fact that you really do like Berettas.
MikeIsaj
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1. It's not a Colt.
2. It's not a wheel gun.
What else matters?
2. It's not a wheel gun.
What else matters?
Glocker
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where's the polymer ??????
a gun with out polymer is not a gun. gaston glock has set the new standard in which all guns must now follow. if they would throw all beretta in the melting pot and start over and make some slides and barrels and buy some polymer re-do there design they might come out with a good product......maybe.............. don't know...........hard to tell, but at this rate they are not doing a good job. GOD BLESS GASTON GLOCK, MAY HE LIVE FOREVER AND MAKE GOOD PRODUCTS ! hey don't hate me.. i'm here to spead the glock love.
a gun with out polymer is not a gun. gaston glock has set the new standard in which all guns must now follow. if they would throw all beretta in the melting pot and start over and make some slides and barrels and buy some polymer re-do there design they might come out with a good product......maybe.............. don't know...........hard to tell, but at this rate they are not doing a good job. GOD BLESS GASTON GLOCK, MAY HE LIVE FOREVER AND MAKE GOOD PRODUCTS ! hey don't hate me.. i'm here to spead the glock love.
Duke of Lawnchair
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When I look at the sun I see spots.
Sam
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Takes more than being around a long time to have a tradition.
I was specifically referring to tradition as in a history of gunfighting, and the attitudes and mindset that seem to go along with it. That wasn't really a Beretta thing but an Italian thing and generically a European thing.
Can you name me an Italian gunfighter? No name really jumps to mind except Billy il capretto? Selvaggio Bill Hickock?
Bet you could ask an Italian and he could at least name an old west gunslinger.
Sam
I was specifically referring to tradition as in a history of gunfighting, and the attitudes and mindset that seem to go along with it. That wasn't really a Beretta thing but an Italian thing and generically a European thing.
Can you name me an Italian gunfighter? No name really jumps to mind except Billy il capretto? Selvaggio Bill Hickock?
Bet you could ask an Italian and he could at least name an old west gunslinger.
Sam
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Ivy Mike
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...and the number one reason to hate Berretta is...
1. Mel Gibson used one in the Lethal Weapon movies.
dirty, gun grabbing religious whacko
or...
1. Its not a CZ75
1. Mel Gibson used one in the Lethal Weapon movies.
dirty, gun grabbing religious whacko
or...
1. Its not a CZ75
GTI-here is an excerpt of an article about Mel Gibson after making the movie, The Patriot:
"It’s more than likely that in our post-Columbine world, children firing guns in a major motion picture will prove controversial in certain circles. But it’s shallow thinking in that it equates our fight for independence with the brutality of a few truly evil kids. As GLAAD did with “Braveheart,†the anti-gun outfits who would denounce “The Patriot†would be ignoring the question of historical accuracy in favor of pressing their contemporary issue agenda.
For his part, Gibson, again, isn’t backing down, stating that he and his children have gone to shooting ranges together, and that he sees nothing wrong with their using weapons for self-defense. "
Here is a link to the full article, if you care to read it.
http://www.mrc.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2000/col20000622.asp
Doesn't sound like much of a gun grabber to me, unless you have some info I am not aware of, and would like to read if you do.
"It’s more than likely that in our post-Columbine world, children firing guns in a major motion picture will prove controversial in certain circles. But it’s shallow thinking in that it equates our fight for independence with the brutality of a few truly evil kids. As GLAAD did with “Braveheart,†the anti-gun outfits who would denounce “The Patriot†would be ignoring the question of historical accuracy in favor of pressing their contemporary issue agenda.
For his part, Gibson, again, isn’t backing down, stating that he and his children have gone to shooting ranges together, and that he sees nothing wrong with their using weapons for self-defense. "
Here is a link to the full article, if you care to read it.
http://www.mrc.org/BozellColumns/entertainmentcolumn/2000/col20000622.asp
Doesn't sound like much of a gun grabber to me, unless you have some info I am not aware of, and would like to read if you do.
Sam
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Funny how a thread can drift isn't it?
No one has ever told me that Gibson was an anti and I would be hard pressed to believe it. If he is an anti, I want to know and pretty quick.
People who believe in things are generally realistic and deal with life in positive ways. I suspect that will cover Mr. Gibson pretty well.
Sam
No one has ever told me that Gibson was an anti and I would be hard pressed to believe it. If he is an anti, I want to know and pretty quick.
People who believe in things are generally realistic and deal with life in positive ways. I suspect that will cover Mr. Gibson pretty well.
Sam
Sorry about the thread drift Sam, but it seems like we have so few friends in hollyweird that I like to stand up for them if they give me a reason to. Kurt Russell is another gunner I gladly spend my money on. I believe in everyones rights, but it does not mean I'm going to support their wallets, so to speak.
So far as Berretta's, well, I do have a pretty good one in that Vertec-and I'll keep shooting it along side my Colts until it won't shoot anymore. I'm not one to trade firearms. More fun to wear them out!
So far as Berretta's, well, I do have a pretty good one in that Vertec-and I'll keep shooting it along side my Colts until it won't shoot anymore. I'm not one to trade firearms. More fun to wear them out!
Sam
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I wern't complaining Delmar. Just remarking.
If the world gets so anal that thread drift will kill us, I'm going to a different world.
Sam
If the world gets so anal that thread drift will kill us, I'm going to a different world.
Sam
Hawk
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Guilty as charged.
SpaceCowboy
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Have a certain amount? Yes, and that certain amount is any amount; from thin coating to slathered. The amount is not as important as its general presence. And remember :
(Thx SGT)
Clearly I must live somewhere other than the "real world" (whatever and wherever that is
) because my oil/lube doesn't immediatly dissolve when placed in contact with water. This may be because it is oil. If your lube dissolves on contact with water, you are using some strange lube; I would try something different. If you refuse to trust your family's life to a firearm that requires oil then why would you do the same by entrusting your family's safety to a vehicle that requires a "certain amount" of lubrication. Your family's(and your) safety probably depends more upon the family car than your ccw.
Berettas are sooooooooooo sweet that I want to crap my pants. I can't believe it sometimes, but I feel it inside my heart. These guns are totally awesome and that's a fact. Berettas are fast, smooth, cool, strong, powerful, and sweet. I can't wait to start yoga next year. I love Berettas with all of my body (including my ___ ___).
"Clearly I must live somewhere other than the "real world" (whatever and wherever that is ) because my oil/lube doesn't immediatly dissolve when placed in contact with water. This may be because it is oil. If your lube dissolves on contact with water, you are using some strange lube; I would try something different."
Clearly you have never spent long periods of time in the outdoors.
I don't have to worry about trying a different lube because mine pistol will work just fine without a trace of lube.
I keep it fairly well maintained but I do know from experience that if I ever find myself in a situation where things are not as nice as your indoor range my pistol will work.
But I guess I could carry a Beretta and also carry a bottle of oil on me at all times.
That could also work but to me it seems eaiser just to carry something that does not require lube.
Clearly you have never spent long periods of time in the outdoors.
I don't have to worry about trying a different lube because mine pistol will work just fine without a trace of lube.
I keep it fairly well maintained but I do know from experience that if I ever find myself in a situation where things are not as nice as your indoor range my pistol will work.
But I guess I could carry a Beretta and also carry a bottle of oil on me at all times.
That could also work but to me it seems eaiser just to carry something that does not require lube.
Marshall
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I kinda liked the Cougar over the 92/96.
What's up with the PX4 Storm?
What's up with the PX4 Storm?
SpaceCowboy
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Clearly. How could you tell. I am a shut in. I have agoraphobia.
Actually, my indoor range is quite filthy and not nearly as neat and clean as the great outdoors.
Or you could just lube it once in a while and leave the bottle at home. Just a suggestion.
Sam, c'mon are you serious about not knowing any Italian Gunfighters? You have never seen The Good the Bad and the Ugly or anyother Spaghetti Western with Clint Eastwood? Geez.
Also, acid rain will wash all of the lubrication material from your Beretta. Glocks don't need lube? Sure. Glocks now defy physics and are "Friction Free". Why do they put the coppery spooge stuff all over them when they leave the factory? I'll just continue SOP and clean/lube mine on a regular basis.
The reasons to hate Berettas? They dethroned the 1911 as our U.S. Military standard issue side arm. Any gun that took that role is going to be hated.
Also, acid rain will wash all of the lubrication material from your Beretta. Glocks don't need lube? Sure. Glocks now defy physics and are "Friction Free". Why do they put the coppery spooge stuff all over them when they leave the factory? I'll just continue SOP and clean/lube mine on a regular basis.
The reasons to hate Berettas? They dethroned the 1911 as our U.S. Military standard issue side arm. Any gun that took that role is going to be hated.
natedog
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I would not want a carry gun that will not work without lube any more than I would want a carry gun that would only be reliable with CCI Gold Dot ammo.
Gold Dot ammo is good stuff but I would rather have a gun that would work with other ammo if I can't find Gold Dot just as I like a gun that will work without lube if lube is not avaliable at the time.
I really can't see why this is so hard to understand.
If a weapon that you tend to use for the defense of your life REQUIRES something that you don't always have in your pocket at all times then it is not for me.
Gold Dot ammo is good stuff but I would rather have a gun that would work with other ammo if I can't find Gold Dot just as I like a gun that will work without lube if lube is not avaliable at the time.
I really can't see why this is so hard to understand.
If a weapon that you tend to use for the defense of your life REQUIRES something that you don't always have in your pocket at all times then it is not for me.
Bobby Lee, just saw your "guns work without a trace of lube" thing. What? Do you really remove all of the lubrication material from your gun, shoot it and profess that you are acheiving something "good"? I'm pretty sure that all of my pistols would shoot for awhile without a "trace", (determined by thorough examination under an electron scanning microscope...), and I could probably frame a house by using them to drive 16 penny nails. Don't think I'll do either.
The Dutchman
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Guns have to follow the basic rules of physics. A gun is a funtioning machine just like a car engine......engineers can do things to reduce friction within the gun but all guns require some level of lubrication. To say that a gun can fire 1000 rounds without any lubrication is like saying you can run your car for 10 miles without any oil and everything will be ok. Both the gun and the car are capable of accomplishing this but: one the car's engine will be damaged because of the buildup of heat and friction, and two the gun could have longterm slide and frame fatigue. The heat and friction will reduce your guns life over time and you'll end up with a $700 paperweight that looks cool. Plus guns are very powerful things you wouldn't want to do anything that could cause them to eventually blow up in your face. Even the most advanced pistols, with heavy plastic finishes to reduce corrosion and teflon finishes on all the springs to improve functioning, all of them still need some level of lubrication in order to function properly and reliably. Some of the most reliable weapons every produced were used by the US in WW2 including the M1911A1 and the BAR. Ask any WW2 vet if they every shot their weapons without lubrication and they will think you are crazy.
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