This could be tomorrow

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This just in: three massive bombs have detonated concurrently within a U.S. city, taking out the electrical power grid, and some communications systems. Early reports estimate civilian casulties to be high, possibly in the hundreds if not thousands, since one of the bombs exploded in a busy commercial and shopping district.

A sense of terrible fear and dread has gripped the country with the realization that the worst concerns have come true. The national security level has now been raised to red. Law enforcement of all branches scramble to keep the order. TVs all over the country are tuned into the news, with 24 hour reports of the situation. All regular programming is suspended. People are terrified there will be more bombs elsewhere. People don't know whether to stay or flee.

Grocery stores, Walmarts, Home Depots report mass invasions of people coming in and cleaning out the shelves of everything from canned food to water to shovels and emergency gas generators.

Banks close. Schools close. Federal buildings close. People still go to work in the morning, but there is a somber air everyday. An eerie quietness permeates the country as citizens brace for yet more bombs or whatever else may occur.

Gun stores, sporting goods stores that sell firearms sell out all their inventory. There is a shortage of firearms, and ammunition. People begin to see a slow but steady rise in prices of ammunition and firearms. Soccer moms and little old church ladies who normally wouldn't be caught dead with a gun in their possession are now suddenly packing a .357 Magnum or a 9mm semi-automatic.

Whole communities of Arab-Americans are harassed and ostracized, with occassional acts of violence occurring against them. Mosques close, for fear of the American public. Churches from Catholic to Protestant to Jehovah's Witness see a sharp rise in attendance.

Another threat comes up - people who were dispossessed or disenfranchised anre delighted with the situation, and roam the urban and suburban landscape looking to loot or steal or rob. Citizens stay at home and lock themselves in.

Here's the situation for you the high road members out there. You have to go get more gasoline and other supplies, and thus have to brave the streets in one of the more dangerous areas. You drive your SUV through the streets and see bands of men on foot, you hear their laughter and their shouts echo into your car.

Your wife stays at home with a shotgun or a handgun to protect your children. What do you carry on your mission?

This could be tomorrow. Are you prepared for it?
 
Yikes, All we would need here in LA, is any opening for our large criminal population to go on a rampage ie the Rodney King riots. As for being ready, yes & no. I do have lots of ammo however. Very possible situation indeed, the FEDS would have to step in (if they could) and impose some type of marshall law. Who knows, maybe that is we are heading...


Larry
 
OK, I have kind of a small brain but let me try to process this...

Hundreds, or possibly thousands of people have been killed in 1 US city as a result of the first real threat to come to North American soil in almost 3 years. This small disturbance creates a level of panic and riot that potentially threatens you and yours. Banks close. Schools close. Federal buildings close blah blah blah.... Silly!


Terrorists haven’t (struck) in North America in a long time. And, really, do they need to. Alarmists like you fuel their fire quite well thank you. I’m sure they love our (American) response thus far. Run and scurry like hell....!!! Get duck tape and plastic.... Code maroon, code magenta.... It’s embarrassing.

Ya, I’m ready. I’m ready to overcome, adapt, and adjust. I’m not ready to pacify myself in the knowledge that I have 10 cans of beans and 50 gallons of water in my basement. Oh, and some duct tape.

Diesle

(EDITED to remove language that would have offended Grandma Gwinn)
 
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Sounds like a slow weekday in downtown Seattle. Couldn't you have thrown in a biological attack and a couple of nukes coming in from North Korea? And what about an invasion from Alpha Centauri? Or an extremely large asteroid the size of the moon landing in downtown Little America?
Why "what if" yourself to death? If you have ever been in real combat you know that you just have to take it one hour at a time. You count your blessings...dry sox, waterproof boots, a warm jacket. You measure your life in seconds. You expect the worst, hope for the best and hang an extra clip on your rifle sling close at hand. And, you had better have some kind of CB radio in your 4WD vehicle. If you try to scope it all out in advance, you will find that nothing is going to work out as planned. This is one time you have to "play it by ear."
 
Hundreds, or possibly thousands of people have been killed in 1 US city as a result of the first real threat to come to North American soil in almost 3 years. This small disturbance creates a level of panic and riot that potentially threatens you and yours. Banks close. Schools close. Federal buildings close blah blah blah.... Silly!


It may be silly, but FEMA doesn't seem to think so. The American way is to be prepared.

Besides, if this is your mindset, why carry or own a gun at all in your everday life?
 
Besides, if this is your mindset, why carry or own a gun at all in your everday life?

If this is more than rhetorical, youl have to help me understand your question better.

I cant correlate how my mindset... ("Ya, I’m ready. I’m ready to overcome, adapt, and adjust. I’m not ready to pacify myself in the knowledge that I have 10 cans of beans and 50 gallons of water in my basement.")... should identify me as a person who is not likely to own guns...


Diesle
 
*sigh*

I actually clicked the link to this thread thinking it would be something interesting.
Truth be told, I stopped clicking on threads titled 'SHTF' a few months ago.

I think that a lot of the people who sit around and dream up elaborate scenarios about TEOTWAWKI should go find a gaming group and play Twilight 2000 or Shadowrun.:rolleyes:
 
Here's the situation for you the high road members out there. You have to go get more gasoline and other supplies, and thus have to brave the streets in one of the more dangerous areas. You drive your SUV through the streets and see bands of men on foot, you hear their laughter and their shouts echo into your car.

This is why you should have a couple of weeks worth of whatever you need at home. If something big did happen you would be much better off sitting at home keeping an eye on your family rather than competing with the roving bands of thugs or the frantic soccer mommies getting in fistfights at Home Depot over plastic sheeting and duct tape.

After a couple of weeks you should have a better idea if things are getting back to normal or if it is TEOTWAWKI. :D

Greg
 
Lets see, on the only way into our canyon I could go to mouth and drop a 4'diameter tree or two across road with my chain saw. Some of the neighbors would join me in making it most unpleasant for anyone to cut thru tree or climb over, you can't go around. We would have to meet needs of the hundred or so people in the canyon, most are'conservative' others would probably be hysterical. If I was to man road block or patrol my fairly self sufficient small ranch I'd use FNfal by day if I wasn't moving around much. And m-14 with ANPVS-2 at night. If I had to 'patrol' I'd use Colt 'sporter' preban with ANPVS attached at night or my ColtAR-15 preban with M-4 upper for day hikes. Always carrying Stainless custom 1911 with Sparks Six pack. I keep my Barret 82a1 in safe in shop on rise in orchard for invading vehicles. Only invading vehicles around here are gonna be lowrider chevies and Hondas with wide wheels and loud exhausts.:D
 
lessee:

off the beaten path already: check

gravity fed water supply: check

gravity operated sewer system: check

primary and secondary heating sources functional: check

enough food to last a while: check

almost everybody in the area owns and knows how to use firearms: check

hmm, guess if the electricity is still up locally I'll wander over to my sister and brother in law's place and watch the Fox News Channel coverage of y'all having fun!:D
 
Yeah, I can just picture it now ... the whole country is in fear and total disorder, so the coyotes start takiing advantage and all come out in rowdy roving gangs to raid the sheep herds, chicken house, rabbit pens, etc.

Where's my 243 ...?

:D
 
:rolleyes:
Seems to me this has happened already. On Sept 11, 2001. Three "weapons" were crashed in to buildings. Thousands died. However, society didn't fall into mass caos. Maybe we bought more weapons and ammo (prudent thing to do anyway), maybe we became more aware and better prepared (a "wake up call"). But I didn't see the fall of western civilization. We handled it for the most part. Lets give ourselves a little more credit, avoid the hysteria, and be prepared.
 
The chances of something happening like this are extemely remote. But since we are speculating, here is another worry to add to the list.

Anyone have a prison nearby? How about a large county jail? In the event of a disaster just how long do your figure they can be held in their confines before escaping or being let loose? No transportation equals no food shipments and medication. Prisons, such as the one I work at are not self sufficient except for the water supply. Full scale riots would be in effect and outside LE agencies would be unavailable. The National Guard would also be otherwise committed. Because of this and other factors, many Correctional Officers would not show up for work.

You can bet during a serious terrorist attack prisons will be a primary target.

What better way to creat chaos than to set loose thousands of convicts throughout the nation? Who doesn't have a prison nearby? In my area alone we have two facilities with approx 1100 in each, plus a large county jail and annex.

Good Shooting
RED
 
Don't have an SUV, and if they're laughing, things must not be as bad as you think. They're usually not.... :rolleyes:
 
Lest we forget 9/11. We are already IN tomorrow fellows in case no one noticed. Look at what was described in the original post. Some, if not most, of that happened shortly afterward.

GT
 
Well, this may never happen, and I will be all too glad for that.

But let's answer these questions shall we?

Is the motivation to destroy Americans on American soil in the most destructive way possible there? YEP.

Is the manpower to carry out this type of destruction available? YEP.

Is the means - both financial and logistical - there? YEP.

Have something of this destructive scale occurred in the past? YEP.

So, to all those who say this could never happen or is some SHTF fantasy crap, well I'd like to hear logical arguments that you think it can't happen.

I just want to raise awareness that the US has enemies - they are vicious, they are real.
 
Sounds like a slow weekday in downtown Seattle.

Hey, how's about we all meet at the Lenin statue and sing "Kumbaya"?:neener:
 
the question is not whether it's impossible

Hi Min,

I'll admit to having a generally low opinion of these sorts of scenarios. If I'd thought they were completely impossible we wouldn't have moved to a rural area...well I grew up in rural areas so we probably would have moved eventually, maybe - I've known people in the burbs who kept saying they were going to move right up to the point they went into a nursing home.

I would however submit that there are several factors in play here which make any realistic scenario building highly unlikely:

1. Insufficient reliable data available on which to base scenarios. By this I mean there is too much we don't know. I did some of my army time driving a desk as an intel analyst. From that experience I can state categorically that we do not have more than about 50 percent of the reliable info available. Those of us on the outside never do.

2. In conjunction with the above, neither we, nor the feds can know the full extent of the b.g.'s actual capabilities within CONUS at this point. Much has been disrupted, and in many areas they no longer have anything resembling a coherent organization. None the less, there is no way that all of the sleeper cells (deep cover, or whatever you want to call them) have been rooted out since that's the nature of sleepers. Nor do we know if any of those yet undiscovered cells have the logistic support in place to carry out their orders...or the comms capacity to receive the orders...or...well you get the idea.

3. Because of 1 and 2 above (combined with wild cards like the NK three stage nuke capable missile which can hit North America...of course that's also the size of the target -a continent- they have to aim at to hit anything at that range...), and various biohazards which will become more likely as warmer weather gets here (germs don't do well in snow); and so forth, any attempt to predict what may or may not happen in a given urban area will be a crap shoot.

I would therefore respectfully suggest that if you cannot get out of dodge before the stuff hits the great whirling blades in copious quantities, well, unless you prepare for everything, a false sense of preparedness may be one of your worst enemies.

just my 2 cents' worth
 
Speaking of enemies, there were millions of them demonstrating for no war and preservation of the status quo for a brutal dictator. There are many American born citizens whose politics demands that they intervene in anything that will prevent bio and chemical attacks on the U.S. After all, in their strange convoluted thinking, attacks against the U.S. prove that the government is corrupt and the citizens are all sheep. Their "power to the people" thinking means "power to radical people through acts of disobedience and terrorism." Although they are allowed by the bill of rights, they are to be numbered among protectors of the enemy and primary deflectors of international justice.
 
good point on domestic idiots & co.

Good point Pistolsmith! though given their utter disregard for all things western, I'm surprised none of the heavy duty overseas type b.g. have taken advantage of any of the useful idiot rallies (either here or in europe) to pop one or more surprises.
 
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