This is why the sheep fear guns!!

[whm1974]

The SKS sells for as little as $100 in the streets and is highly accurate, Faust said. And the high-caliber ammunition it uses is meant for maximum bodily damage.

I think the fact that you can buy an SKS for less then $200, and the ammo is still cheap for centerfire rifle rounds scares those types more then anything else.

Last I heard 7.62x39 FMJ only has a 17% fatelty rate. So just where did this myth of the "powerful" AK47 came from?

Steel core 7.62x39 is banned by Federal Law, there's is no way that the criminals have possessed those.

There is still a lot of that stuff floating around. Right before the '89/'90 import bans people brought as much AK ammo as they could afford at the time. They also stockpiled ammo after the AWB passed as well.

This reminds me of when I was in 6th grade (1967,68) our teacher had a serviceman come talk to our classroom (can't remember his uniform but I'm thinking Marine recruiter). He told us of a coward in basic training that tried to get out of going to Vietnam by shooting himself in the foot. The NEW M-16 round enterred his foot and shatterred his leg bones all the way up to his hip and now he is crippled for life!

He may be crippled for life by missing half his foot.... But I doupt even a HE .50 BMG round would do the above.

-Bill

 

[crazed_ss]

I guess there is no such thing as journalistic integrity anymore.. do people go to school to learn to write like this or what?

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

They are going after sensationalism. It's won't get ratings to say "he was caught with a boring ol $100 SKS" instead of "he was caught with the most powerful armor piercing weapon of death capable of bringing down airplanes!" The sad thing is the public doesn't know any better so they believe them.
I wonder if a mainstream gun show on a major network would fly. Not something like you'd fine on OLN but a show to educate beginners to take the mystery out of guns and educate them on the different types, stressing safety, strengths, weaknesses, etc. of different models and calibers. It would take the wind out of the sails of the "news" if people were educated and called BS on these attempts at shocking the sheeple.
As for all the "news" reporters that like to use these type of claims, I have but two words: Prove it.

 

[U.S.SFC_RET]

The U.S. Army has been shattering bones and teeth, body parts and whatever else for over 230 years now and damn proud of it.

 

[Erebus]

The NEW M-16 round enterred his foot and shatterred his leg bones all the way up to his hip and now he is crippled for life!

BS, unless you managed to shoot yourself in the bottom of the heel with your leg straight so that the bullet was traveling up through your leg. Even then it's going to take a miracle for it to get every bone without changing direction enough to miss.

 

[mljdeckard]

Is there ANY significant ammount of violence AT ALL perpetrated with an SKS? In New Orleans or otherwise? I mean, it's not sexy or easy enough for gang bangers. I mean, can you picture trying to show a violent halfwit how to use one? "Stripper clip? You mean the banana thingy with a nekkid girl on the side of it, right?" You actually have to TRY to hit something with an SKS.

And yes, it's nice to see that yet again, someone is finally concerned about all those drive-by bayonetings going on in the gulf region.

 

[Double Naught Spy]

When LEO's spout this BS, the sheep listen. No mention of how the SKS is considered a second tier rifle, and that even the sunsetted AWB allowed them to be sold legally. No mention of how it's still illegal for criminals to get them.

To say nothing of how this "officer" boosts the effectiveness of the 7.62x39mm round to the point of absurdity. Let's be honest, if we didn't know better, it would be easy to interpret this article as the SKS being more dangerous than anything else on the street

So what you are saying is that anyone ignorant of a given topic that believes the words of an authority figure who speaks as an expert on the topic (correctly or not) makes the ignorant people sheep? If you scan this forum and others, you will find so-called non-sheep that believe equally ignorant things just because some authority figure told them it was true, because they overheard it from a stranger in a gun shop, or because they read it in an article in a gun rag.

It is sort of funny. You are upset that the officer did not inform the readership of the newspaper that the SKS is a second tier rifle. You may consider it a second tier rifle, but it is still a rifle, still very lethal if used properly, and you will find that many of your fellow THR people consider SKS rifles some of the best value genre of guns you can find...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthread.php?t=209219&highlight=sks+quality

and if you search on your own, you will find that there are a lot of folks who hunt with SKS rifles.

FYI, you seem to believe that the second tier SKS now is allowed to be sold because of the sunsetted AWB. That must make you a sheep. The SKS was not considered an assault weapon by the now sunset federal law. They were legal to sell during the ban as a plain old surplus rifle, like Garands were.

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Somebody asked about crime and SKS. Remember Chai Soua Vang who killed 6 other hunters with one in WI in 2005?

 

[Apple a Day]

One of my former students had a guy who claimed to be a Vietnam vet tell him you could use M-16 magazines in an AK-47 because the Russians had designed them that way. The kid refused to believe me when I corrected him because the other guy was in Vietnam and I was just his physics teacher who shoots a lot.

 

[ilbob]

One of my former students had a guy who claimed to be a Vietnam vet tell him you could use M-16 magazines in an AK-47 because the Russians had designed them that way. The kid refused to believe me when I corrected him because the other guy was in Vietnam and I was just his physics teacher who shoots a lot.

That is an old myth that just refuses to die.

 

[unspellable]

engine blocks et al

Not all that hard to penetrate the outer wall of an engine block and let the coolant out. Of course types like the LEO above will tell that in a way that makes it sound like the bullet went all the way through the engine to deal death, destruction, and taxes on the other side.

A look at the statistics will show that long arms in general play a very small role in crime compared to handguns. As some one pointed out, any REALLY effective law taking handguns out of the hands of criminals would drive them to the much more powerful long arms.

 

[carterbeauford]

I'm not familiar with the SKS. Maybe someone who is would be willing to write an editorial to the paper explaining the truth. It's worth a try and would get the publicity to the place where the damage was done....if they print it. Certainly worth the effort.

I'll do it, give me a day or two. I sent a similar message to the producers of "Dallas Swat" who referred to the same rifle as an assault rifle. Poor SKS isn't getting any love

I think the definition/classification of people as sheep could be generally applied to this issue.

 

[Cacique500]

Wow - what a ridiculous article. I love the quote about the round blowing through bones but zig zagging through the body. Think our SWAT officer might be confusing a .22LR with a 7.62x39 (hey, it's an honest mistake )

To the guys bashing the accuracy of an SKS, you might want to reconsider. A lot of people I know hunt with them, successfully I might add. I have several of them and I regularly hit clays on the berm at 200 yards. As far as accuracy, I'd go AR, SKS, then AK. (I have all three and that's what I've seen)

Cost of the 7.62x39 ammo used to be cheap - last year you could buy 1000 rounds for around $80. With the ammo shortage, I've seen double that price at several vendors. Glad I stocked up on it when I did.

There's also a difference between steel core and AP ammo. You can still legally purchase steel core ammo from dealers (7.62x54R). IIRC, AP ammo is also legal in private party sales, but 'dealers' can no longer sell AP to private parties.

If I want to whack something hard at 200 yards I'll use my 7.62x54R - 40 year old steel core ammo will punch a hole through a metal target easily. This ammo has more ft-lb energy at 500 yards than a .45 fired point blank.

 

[foghornl]

Maybe the engine block of that Mattel "zoom" engine for attaching to kids bicycles (popular in the 1960's IIRC)

 

[Tomcat1066]

So what you are saying is that anyone ignorant of a given topic that believes the words of an authority figure who speaks as an expert on the topic (correctly or not) makes the ignorant people sheep? If you scan this forum and others, you will find so-called non-sheep that believe equally ignorant things just because some authority figure told them it was true, because they overheard it from a stranger in a gun shop, or because they read it in an article in a gun rag.

No I don't think all people who listen to supposed authority figures are sheep, but I DO mean that sheep listen to people who are supposed to be authority figures. There is a difference, and I apologize for not being clear on that.

It is sort of funny. You are upset that the officer did not inform the readership of the newspaper that the SKS is a second tier rifle. You may consider it a second tier rifle, but it is still a rifle, still very lethal if used properly, and you will find that many of your fellow THR people consider SKS rifles some of the best value genre of guns you can find...
http://www.thehighroad.org/showthrea...ht=sks+quality

and if you search on your own, you will find that there are a lot of folks who hunt with SKS rifles.

And none of them will claim the SKS is a top-of-the-line rifle. I own two of them, and they're fun rifles. But this article claims they are ultimate weapons of doom. Everyone here understands that ALL firearms can be lethal. However, this officer makes the SKS look like it fires Hellfire missles or something. Guess that isn't a problem for you, since you seem to have missed the entire point of the original post

FYI, you seem to believe that the second tier SKS now is allowed to be sold because of the sunsetted AWB. That must make you a sheep. The SKS was not considered an assault weapon by the now sunset federal law. They were legal to sell during the ban as a plain old surplus rifle, like Garands were.

Uhhhh no. Please re-read this: and that even the sunsetted AWB allowed them to be sold legally, meaning they were LEGAL during the AWB. But hey, I guess you're just to busy acting high and mighty to bother reading

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Somebody asked about crime and SKS. Remember Chai Soua Vang who killed 6 other hunters with one in WI in 2005?

Actually, it was a Siaga. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chai_Vang

However, the SKS has been used by gangbangers. Check this out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dgwfVJIoBNM&search=Military training

While it refers to the SKS as a "deadly SKS assault rifle", it does show it being used effectively. The story itself is about gang members in the military, and using military training, but that's sort of irrelevant to this thread.

Tom

 

[offthepaper]

Quote:
"Faust said the steel core bullets used in an SKS strike the body then follow bone, so a bullet can "enter your shoulder and come out of your toe."
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Well, I guess that explains the JFK shooting.

 

[evan price]

I once LITERALLY shot completely though an engine block with a gun I held in my own two hands, it was a 12-ga long barrel with BRI Sabot slugs, and the engine in question was an 82 Ford Escort 1.6 liter. Car was propped up on logs and we were blasting away with everything we had, I did a coup'de grace with the shotgun and it went through the cylinder jacket, below the piston skirt, came out the side of the block (rear of engine bay) just above the oil plan flange. Slug was still stuck in the block but TECHNICALLY it DID go "completely through" in that it punched holes through both sides.

 

[MachIVshooter]

One of my former students had a guy who claimed to be a Vietnam vet tell him you could use M-16 magazines in an AK-47 because the Russians had designed them that way. The kid refused to believe me when I corrected him because the other guy was in Vietnam and I was just his physics teacher who shoots a lot.

The fact that the AK was designed over a decade before the AR/M-16 had no effect on this? (let alone th physical problems with trying to chamber a 5.56x45 in a 7.62x39 weapon).

Most folks are gullible wqhen it comes to firearms, but you can't argue with simple math. (though the anti's do a fantastic job of obfuscating it)

 

[748]

High caliber + 7.62 = hahahah
With drug dealers out with these [SKS], what can they [da public] do?"
People should Get there own SKS's, duha....

 

[ArmandTanzarian]

"Black Talon" ammo, Jane Pauley described how it could hit you in the hip, zip up to your shoulder, zip across to the other shoulder, and then zip down and out, whirling like a buzz saw the whole time as it carved out a grapefruit-diameter wound channel . . . and she had a graphic her "news" team had created to illustrate all this!

Wow, I did not realize Jane Pauley was a master terminal wound ballistics experts...learn something new every day. But we all know she's right about those Black Talons!

Now for a cop to say that a bullet goes in the shoulder and out the toe, and that an SKS fires an anti-materiel round - now that is just too much!

 

[DoubleTapDrew]

Is this why gangstas sit slouched so low in their cars? To have room to swing that long SKS out the window?