This looks like it would go well with my ppq

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I want one! :)

Maybe I can retire my 3913 for a well deserved rest.
 
Looks like Walther is making a new gun using the P7s gas delayed blowback system!

The CCP’s Soft Coil™ gas-delayed blowback system uses gas pressure from the ignited cartridge by directing it through a small port in the barrel in front of the chamber to slow down and delay the rearward motion of the slide. This is accomplished by means of a piston contained inside of a cylinder located under the barrel that opposes the rearward motion of the slide until the gas pressure has declined after the bullet has left the barrel.* This allows the slide to end its rearward motion, opening the breech, and ejecting the empty cartridge case.
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Finally an answer to all those P7 haters who say "if the gas delayed blowback system was so great, why hasn't anyone else used it?" :D

I'll definitely be looking out for one of these. I only wish they'd used the paddle mag release from the P99 instead of the button from the PPQ M2...
 
Now I know I want one. The others were too large for ccw, but this is perfect, and same trigger.
 
Lets hope they make it in .40S&W eventually.

Let's also see if it gets as hot as fast as the HK P7 does, and if it'll cause issues with the polymer grip/frame.

If the overall size & price is competitive with the Shield and/or XDS I suspect they will sell well.

One of the strongest points is that its supposed to be very easy to rack the slide -- something my wife always struggles with.

Like the Shield, external safety haters are going to hate, but I like having one for a purse or pocket gun. YMMV.
 
I hope the trigger is ppq-ish. It does look like a p22 minus the slide mounted safety/decocker and hammer. I want to shoot one so bad. Please walther price this around $400 or under (I doubt it though)
 
It's supposed to be priced in that area, jj the msrp was $500 if I remember correctly. Finding one is going to be the problem, I am going over to slickguns.com, and see if I can set an alert when someone posts it.
I just looked and I don't think they are out yet, not a single outlet had one.
 
Looks very interesting.

However I wonder why it is relatively thick for a single stack pistol. Specs show it to be nearly as thick as the PPQ.

Also I am curious if it is going to me made at the ULM plant where the PPQ, P99, and PPS are made to an very high quality standard or at the Umarex plant where the .22s and air pistols are made. I may very well buy one if it is made at the ULM plant.
 
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Looks very interesting.

However I wonder why it is relatively thick for a single stack pistol. Specs show it to be nearly as thick as the PPQ.

Also I am curious if it is going to me made at the ULM plant where the PPQ, P99, and PPS are made to an very high quality standard or at the Umarex plant where the .22s and air pistols are made. I may very well buy one if it is made at the ULM plant.
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I really hope it's made in the ULM plant. If umarex manufactures this I wont buy it because of the mentioned level of quality. I really believe it will be made in the ULM plant though, but I could be wrong
 
With more gas being trapped in the pistol wouldn't this make the gun significantly more dirty than standard semi auto handguns? Sorry, but in this design of handguns I am truly illiterate. Please share info on this system (benefits & down sides)
 
See that part where the advert says "Innovative SoftCoil Gas Technology"?

Insert "we copied HK's gas-delayed opening system from the P7M8". Nothing innovative about it, and it is remarkably dirty. You'll want a can of carb cleaner to get the carbon off the gas piston every time you clean it.

Advantages include a light mainspring (because it's not really a 'recoil' spring), a fixed barrel, and simplified locking mechanism.
 
For those concerned about the width please remember that, like most manufacturers, the listed width is the most useless measurement of the widest point of the pistol not the actual width of the slide itself. Not to mention, the slide is tapered quite a bit so even if that is the width of the slide it will profile much smaller than that in real world carry.
 
Insert "we copied HK's gas-delayed opening system from the P7M8". Nothing innovative about it, and it is remarkably dirty.
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Actually HK copied Styer... But let's be realistic.. There hasn't been anything original in center fire pistols in a looooooong time.
 
Actually HK copied Styer...
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Which Styer model?

Styer are not particularly common or popular in the US, in fact about the only Styer guns I can recall seeing are the ones CDNN puts in their catalog. Quite uncommon at gun shows here as far as I can tell.
 
Very disappointed to see this is not made in the ULM plant, but it's not a deal breaker. The frames are made there but the slides are not. I will be waiting on this to prove itself before I jump on the bandwagon for sure. The engineers at walther have been doing a really good job the last couple years so I don't see them screwing up now, but time will tell
 
My tiny but awesome Magnum Research Micro Desert Eagle .380 uses a gas delayed blowback system. Incredible little tank of a pistol that's actually based on a Czech design called the Kevin. Best pocket carry gun ever IMHO.
 
Not sure thinking I'll stick to getting R51.

How does the gas system act with +P, +P+ and other hot loads?
 
I believe the Steyr GB used some kind of gas operating system back in the early '70s. As to the new Walther, looks rather promising.
 
Actually HK copied Styer...
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Well, that's not entirely true. It's like saying the Russian AK47 is a copy of the German StG44. It's really not. The Russians do appear to have copied the concept, but the AK uses a completely different operating system from the Sturmgewehr. They're both gas operated, long-stroke piston assault rifles, and that's about as far as the similarity goes. The internals are totally different, the German assault rifle uses a tipping bolt, the Russian one a rotating bolt, etc.

Likewise, the Steyr GB and the HK P7 are gas retarded blowblack, but the design is completely different. The HK has a kind of piston that travels in a cylinder below the barrel. The Steyr uses the barrel itself as the piston and the gas cylinder is an annular bushing or sleeve that goes around the barrel, inside the slide. (The Steyr actually uses the Barnitzke system, and is something of a copy of the Mauser Volkspistole made at the end of WWII [the Barnitzke system was also used in the Volkssturmgewehr 1-5].)
 
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My carry gun is a P7 and I love the way it shoots but it gets a little heavy sometimes.

I was thinking about retiring it for a Remington R51 because they share the same low bore axis but initial reports have been very mixed.

This just might be the ticket.

OP, thanks for posting!
 
Stressed,

The gas system on the P7 handles high pressure rounds just fine.

HK built a very complicated gun when they designed the P7 and there were some weaknesses that showed up, but they weren't directly related to the gas system.
 
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