Ephraim Kibbey
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Very Nice PainlessWolf!!!
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PainlessWolf
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Elhombre!,
An excellent idea. *bows* Should I ever get into Action Shooting sports where they grade ( so I hear ) for appearance points, the leather thong will be in my saddlebag and on the muzzle of my LeMat. Thank you again for the idea refinement.
regards,
Painless Wolf
An excellent idea. *bows* Should I ever get into Action Shooting sports where they grade ( so I hear ) for appearance points, the leather thong will be in my saddlebag and on the muzzle of my LeMat. Thank you again for the idea refinement.
regards,
Painless Wolf
PainlessWolf
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Ephraim,
Thank you, Sir. I have saved the link for the Wooden Case website and plan to have that fellow build me a case like yours with red or oxblood felt.
regards,
Painless
Thank you, Sir. I have saved the link for the Wooden Case website and plan to have that fellow build me a case like yours with red or oxblood felt.
regards,
Painless
snidervolley
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doc tanner?
PainlessWolf
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Before I was lucky enough to find the LeMat, I knew what I wanted so I had the holster made. It is a strong side cross draw. Then I spent almost a year forming the holster with a very nice Denix replica of the LeMat. So the LeMat fit it perfectly from day one. A few more pictures to illustrate.
regards,
Painless Wolf
regards,
Painless Wolf
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snidervolley
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I want to do thst to my holster , some body else suggested alchohol soak and steretch??
PainlessWolf
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Snider,
Sir, I just left the Denix replica in the holster all of the time and kept the leather treated with a conditioner. The holster will never be one of those formed jobbies where the leather is shrunken around a mold of the gun but it holsters and unholsters fairly well. ;o)
regards,
Painless Wolf
Sir, I just left the Denix replica in the holster all of the time and kept the leather treated with a conditioner. The holster will never be one of those formed jobbies where the leather is shrunken around a mold of the gun but it holsters and unholsters fairly well. ;o)
regards,
Painless Wolf
snidervolley
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painlesswolf thats all im after as well thanks
PainlessWolf
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Snider,
Please call me Painless. ;o) My Mom called me Painless Wolf or my whole name Painless Black Wolf if whatever I had done was sufficiently bad to warrant it. ( It usually was ;o)
Thanks again for the invitation here. I've been practicing cocking the LeMat with one hand. It has a fearsome spring!
regards,
Painless
Please call me Painless. ;o) My Mom called me Painless Wolf or my whole name Painless Black Wolf if whatever I had done was sufficiently bad to warrant it. ( It usually was ;o)
Thanks again for the invitation here. I've been practicing cocking the LeMat with one hand. It has a fearsome spring!
regards,
Painless
snidervolley
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Lol painless
elhombreconnonombre
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Has anyone ever seen someone in CAS use a pair of Le Mats in competition?
snidervolley
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truly impressive fire power ! somebody has to have done it?
elhombreconnonombre
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If nothing more than for the style points 
PainlessWolf
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Happy Holidays and Merry Christmas, Gentlemen!
May your Tree or Shrub of choice be covered in accessory goodness. Enjoy your Grapeshot Revolvers over the holiday season.
regards and salutes with Nog'
Painless
May your Tree or Shrub of choice be covered in accessory goodness. Enjoy your Grapeshot Revolvers over the holiday season.
regards and salutes with Nog'
Painless
TurnTheMapRed
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A fine weapon
The LeMat loading lever has always and will always be removed by yours truly the moment one is placed into service. Through the use of a thick rubber disk (think hockey puck or engine mount rubber) and a bolt with a thick two inch washer on each side (rivets into one washer in a perfect 9 cylinder formation so that they press in the shot to the cylinder bores when loading) and one hex nut on the end with two ratchet wrenches you can load the LeMat fast and reliably. If you use the loading lever, you are either crazy or like breaking parts that are difficult to replace. I can load powder, slide the cylinder down the bolt, place 9 lead balls on each chamber, place the top washer with rivets over each ball...screw down the hex nut and tighten with the ratchet wrenches until the lead forms the rings and the balls disappear...shortening grease on the balls, replace on the 20 gauge barrel and screw back the 44 barrel...cap each one - done in about 2 minutes. I have not been able to load a LeMat's 9 chambers any faster than about 2 minutes...if you can, please tell me how!!
The shotgun works very well if you put shortening grease over a thin cloth and wrap the 20 gauge over powder cards until they are very tight in the bore (use two cards, be sure they fit TIGHT)....use a shotgun load for three 44 cal. balls - take a 20 gauge sabot and heat it to set a twist of 15 degrees...put the three 44 cal. lead balls in it, then the over powder card. The "twist" in the sabot gives a slight rifling effect and will enable three devastating holes to actually hit near your point of aim at 10 yards. It is the only way I know of to make the entire weapon work quickly, accurately, and with sufficient power to actually be of meaningful use...
There is something remarkable about this piece when a burglar is confronted with it - hence the nickname "pant soiler".
The LeMat loading lever has always and will always be removed by yours truly the moment one is placed into service. Through the use of a thick rubber disk (think hockey puck or engine mount rubber) and a bolt with a thick two inch washer on each side (rivets into one washer in a perfect 9 cylinder formation so that they press in the shot to the cylinder bores when loading) and one hex nut on the end with two ratchet wrenches you can load the LeMat fast and reliably. If you use the loading lever, you are either crazy or like breaking parts that are difficult to replace. I can load powder, slide the cylinder down the bolt, place 9 lead balls on each chamber, place the top washer with rivets over each ball...screw down the hex nut and tighten with the ratchet wrenches until the lead forms the rings and the balls disappear...shortening grease on the balls, replace on the 20 gauge barrel and screw back the 44 barrel...cap each one - done in about 2 minutes. I have not been able to load a LeMat's 9 chambers any faster than about 2 minutes...if you can, please tell me how!!
The shotgun works very well if you put shortening grease over a thin cloth and wrap the 20 gauge over powder cards until they are very tight in the bore (use two cards, be sure they fit TIGHT)....use a shotgun load for three 44 cal. balls - take a 20 gauge sabot and heat it to set a twist of 15 degrees...put the three 44 cal. lead balls in it, then the over powder card. The "twist" in the sabot gives a slight rifling effect and will enable three devastating holes to actually hit near your point of aim at 10 yards. It is the only way I know of to make the entire weapon work quickly, accurately, and with sufficient power to actually be of meaningful use...
There is something remarkable about this piece when a burglar is confronted with it - hence the nickname "pant soiler".
PainlessWolf
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Good Morning,
I looked into pelletized BP when I was researching all things LeMat because I wanted to be able to count on this revolver as a home defense weapon if I had to. The more I learn about the gun and the components used, I think I would be safer ( for both revolver and myself ) to keep using one of my regular firearms if the need arose. I've never gotten a clear consensus on how long I could leave the chambers loaded ( not capped ) and be able to count on it firing even here in a dry climate like CO. It is an amazing weapon and is the current envy of my little local shooting circle.
regards,
Painless
I looked into pelletized BP when I was researching all things LeMat because I wanted to be able to count on this revolver as a home defense weapon if I had to. The more I learn about the gun and the components used, I think I would be safer ( for both revolver and myself ) to keep using one of my regular firearms if the need arose. I've never gotten a clear consensus on how long I could leave the chambers loaded ( not capped ) and be able to count on it firing even here in a dry climate like CO. It is an amazing weapon and is the current envy of my little local shooting circle.
regards,
Painless
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TurnTheMapRed
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a defense weapon
If you do a search on Robert E. Lee's son, you can find out how long a black powder percussion pistol can be loaded and still be relied upon to fire (many years).
If you live in a heavily restricted state, sometimes the law is more tolerant of a replica or pre-1899 black powder pistol in a home defense situation. By the time you have the trigger locks off of your modern weapon or have it out of the safe, you might be dead. Loaded with 777 you can expect to approximate modern velocities and with a pure lead projectile the expansion is rapid and devastating upon impact. It is genuine stopping power. You should wax or grease the sides of the nipples against moisture and seal the bullets in with a mixture of beeswax and shortening (70/30 respectively). It will be ready when you need it for at least 14 years. 9 shots of a 44 and a three 44 shot cluster, all pure lead, approx. 1100 fps, with a heavy pistol to steady your hand. It is a viable home defense option for some of us who can't sleep with a modern pistol holstered to our person. I will continue to test one once a year, thus far not a single misfire (CCI #10 with some black powder in the nipple of the shotgun works EVERY time!).
If you do a search on Robert E. Lee's son, you can find out how long a black powder percussion pistol can be loaded and still be relied upon to fire (many years).
If you live in a heavily restricted state, sometimes the law is more tolerant of a replica or pre-1899 black powder pistol in a home defense situation. By the time you have the trigger locks off of your modern weapon or have it out of the safe, you might be dead. Loaded with 777 you can expect to approximate modern velocities and with a pure lead projectile the expansion is rapid and devastating upon impact. It is genuine stopping power. You should wax or grease the sides of the nipples against moisture and seal the bullets in with a mixture of beeswax and shortening (70/30 respectively). It will be ready when you need it for at least 14 years. 9 shots of a 44 and a three 44 shot cluster, all pure lead, approx. 1100 fps, with a heavy pistol to steady your hand. It is a viable home defense option for some of us who can't sleep with a modern pistol holstered to our person. I will continue to test one once a year, thus far not a single misfire (CCI #10 with some black powder in the nipple of the shotgun works EVERY time!).
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snidervolley
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the gun is a perfect home defense weapon and perfectly reliable home defense weapon , my humble opine is that it wouldn't take saddle abuse for months on end and still be in great shape .sitting next to your bed itlll ast for long time .
PainlessWolf
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Gentlemen,
Thank you for the information and tips. I'll adjust my thinking accordingly.
regards,
Painless
Thank you for the information and tips. I'll adjust my thinking accordingly.
regards,
Painless
PainlessWolf
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Good Afternoon all,
Not a lot going on but to ping the Club current, I do have a little news. I sent an email to Hampels to have a gun case for the LeMat built. Similar to Mr. Kibbeys save for red felt and a glass insert to view the revolver and accessories with the lid closed.
How is everyone? Awakening from a cold winter and looking forward to Spring and warm days at the range I hope.
Not a lot going on but to ping the Club current, I do have a little news. I sent an email to Hampels to have a gun case for the LeMat built. Similar to Mr. Kibbeys save for red felt and a glass insert to view the revolver and accessories with the lid closed.
How is everyone? Awakening from a cold winter and looking forward to Spring and warm days at the range I hope.
snidervolley
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thanks for the wakeup,
i am looking forward to taking out the le mats in the warmer weather for sure
i am looking forward to taking out the le mats in the warmer weather for sure
PainlessWolf
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Evening all,
I've got the Hampels case underway and am searching around for stuff to put in it. I've got a nice nipple wrench and snail cap loader already. A couple of days ago I located this beauty and won it at auction. Spout is 24 grain which should work well with a lead ball and wonderwad. Back to the search, still need a bullet mold and a old fashioned percussion cap tin.
Evening all,
I've got the Hampels case underway and am searching around for stuff to put in it. I've got a nice nipple wrench and snail cap loader already. A couple of days ago I located this beauty and won it at auction. Spout is 24 grain which should work well with a lead ball and wonderwad. Back to the search, still need a bullet mold and a old fashioned percussion cap tin.
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I got a nice .451 bullet mold today from a cased 1860 Army, won at another auction. The mold completed my accessory hunt so here is my Lemat's Grapeshot Revolver at home in it's new digs.
Pictures and regards,
Painless
Pictures and regards,
Painless
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Hello The Forum!
Greetings fellow LeMat enthusiasts!
I've been fascinated by these works of Victorian innovation for years and had to take the plunge. I recently acquired an unfired early Navy Arms so-called Army model. Overall it's in really great condition and is mechanically good. As a bonus it came with one of the replica molds (probably not much practical use, but cool....) as well as a rather light duty presentation case with pseudo French fitted interior. This will take quite a bit of work to make useful, but it's a starting point.
I've read through the LeMat club postings and have noted a number of comments on a couple of points that I would like advise on.
First is the mainspring. As most have posted, mainsprings on most of these are quite strong for what I take to be a good reason, mainly to be able to fire the shotgun barrel. I have found on mine that it literally takes a two-handed technique to cock in order to get the last locking "click". I would like to be able to do this one-handed, and would like to know if there is a smith that can be recommended for doing this. If it's a tricky point, my first priority is shooting reliability and would prefer two-handed use to a questionable shot barrel reliability.
Second is the loading lever. As most experience it, I too find the arrangement quite "wanting" for practical use. If it were just the inconvenient placemant of lever, etc. I could live with it, but at least on mine the ram plunger doesn't ride tightly in the groove cut for it, so when lining up for seating the ball, it can wobble out of a straight line. Are there any out there that have worked on this and modified either the plunger or barrel groove to have it ride straight?
I've also noticed a little discussion of fitting a shoulder stock. Has anyone been able to do this? I thing it would be a fantastic accessory and make for a very handy add-on.
Thanks so much for the opportunity to address the group and I look forward to future posts.
Greetings fellow LeMat enthusiasts!
I've been fascinated by these works of Victorian innovation for years and had to take the plunge. I recently acquired an unfired early Navy Arms so-called Army model. Overall it's in really great condition and is mechanically good. As a bonus it came with one of the replica molds (probably not much practical use, but cool....) as well as a rather light duty presentation case with pseudo French fitted interior. This will take quite a bit of work to make useful, but it's a starting point.
I've read through the LeMat club postings and have noted a number of comments on a couple of points that I would like advise on.
First is the mainspring. As most have posted, mainsprings on most of these are quite strong for what I take to be a good reason, mainly to be able to fire the shotgun barrel. I have found on mine that it literally takes a two-handed technique to cock in order to get the last locking "click". I would like to be able to do this one-handed, and would like to know if there is a smith that can be recommended for doing this. If it's a tricky point, my first priority is shooting reliability and would prefer two-handed use to a questionable shot barrel reliability.
Second is the loading lever. As most experience it, I too find the arrangement quite "wanting" for practical use. If it were just the inconvenient placemant of lever, etc. I could live with it, but at least on mine the ram plunger doesn't ride tightly in the groove cut for it, so when lining up for seating the ball, it can wobble out of a straight line. Are there any out there that have worked on this and modified either the plunger or barrel groove to have it ride straight?
I've also noticed a little discussion of fitting a shoulder stock. Has anyone been able to do this? I thing it would be a fantastic accessory and make for a very handy add-on.
Thanks so much for the opportunity to address the group and I look forward to future posts.
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