Three necessary knives?

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I'm not a knife guy and only own a single Benchmade folder. It was recommended to me years ago and have served me well.

I've read some of the survivalist forums but am not inclined to join just to ask this question. They aren't really my kind of people.

If you could have three or four knives (and I hate saying this) for a SHTF scenario, what would they be? I assume three different kinds for different purposes that would be good to own just in case. I assume I would need at least one non-folder, like a Bowie knife. Specific quality recommendations and a place to order them would be great. I'll buy all three or four at once.

For opening boxes and cutting rope, my Benchmade has served me well, but I'm sure there are things it can't do well.

Thanks.
 
I don't know about these SHTF situations but for everyday chores four knives serve me well for many years 1 a case xx carbon steel three blade stockman 2 a four inch carbon steel stiff blade 3a lockblade folder kershaw makes a good one 4 a 9 inch fillet knife.They cut boxes open mail cut up and skin critters and the kershaw is my defensive /utility knife .There are other knives out there that I have for clearing brush trimming branches around my tree stand and other odd jobs.Machetes and axes are a must for anyone who has ever lived in the woods.
 
1 good defensive type folder...like your bench made, or my SOG Trident Folder, or Spyderco, or Kershaw, etc...

2 Folding multi use knife...this choice could be more varied, from a leatherman/SOG/Gerber multi tool with pliers, a swiss army knife, or even a Case Trapper or Stockman

3 Large Fixed blade knife ex. SOG Trident, Gerber LMF, or the ubiquitous Ka-Bar

4 Small fixed blade knife Buck Paklite Skinner, Mora type knives,
 
in a SHTF scenario......and i was limited to 3-4 knives...ide imagine ide choose


1) kukri
2) USMC kabar(or similar style knife)
3) Folding replaceable blade utility knife
4) multi-function swiss army knife/ multitool
 
It's subjective, even if you throw in a SHTF scenario, because SHTF in Colorado is not the same as SHTF in North Carolina. Truth be told, I think I would be fine in most bad situations with a single knife and an axe or good hatchet.

But, in the spirit of the question, my three knives that I would have if I could only have three would be the following: Spyderco Endura, any of a number of mid-sized fixed blades, and a machete.

Spyderco Endura because I think a folder is awfully useful, and this model happens to be my all time favorite knife. However, I can literally think of probably a dozen folders that I would be equally comfortable with.

A mid-sized fixed blade because of the balance between general usefulness and size. There are plenty of knives in this category: ESEE, Becker, Dozier, whatever. I personally have a Becker Campanion and have grown to love it, but I can't say that I would be better or worse off with a ESEE RC4 or RC5 or some other similarly well made knife.

A machete, because they are tremendously versatile and useful, and probably only second to a good axe for serious bushcraft. I have two machetes now, and the more I have used them and learned the value of a good machete, the bigger a convert I have become for them.
 
1. 4" Fixed blade, preferably a drop point. Great for anything including cleaning game.

2. Folder - Something good quality for general duty.

3. Multi-tool. SAK, Gerber, or my SOG Powerlock.

I just don't use a machete that often.
 
The fact is that the silly "SHTF" business boils down to what would you carry for a primative backcountry hunting/camping trip that was going to last for a while.

Sharpened prybar/chopper/hacker
3-5 inch "camp" knife
You have the folder covered
Quality multitool

"Bowie" knives aren't desirable since they were fighters.

Your price range for total expenditure dictates a lot, but you can't go wrong with a good Becker BK 7 for the hacker/chopper/prybar.
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You can do just fine with a $15 Mora or $30 BK 14 EsKabar or a $80 Blind Horse.
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I would want a 6"+bladed knife , a multi-tool ( I like the Kershaw with the vice grip like pliers ) , a trapper slip joint and a 3 - 3 1/2" blade fixed blade for skinning/food prep.

Round that out with a medium sized axe and you are good to go.
 
What Timbo and hso said. Big knife/hatchet, little knife, multitool, folder.

For specifics, pick one from each category:

ESEE Junglas
Fiddleback machete
Spyderco Schempp Rock
HI WWII 16.5
Cold Steel Rifleman's Hawk
Ontario SP43


Ontario RAT 3
ESEE Izula
SYK Scrapivore
Spyderco Mule
Kabar BK11

Your BM should work, or
Spyderco Delica
Spyderco Manix 2
Cold Steel Medium Voyager Clip Point
CRKT M16 Spear Point
CRKT Folts Minimalist

And of course, many, many more.

John






+multitool
 
Scandinavia

In the spirit of "survival as camping" let me first offer a link to an old camping and woodcraft book, available free as an eBook. (Gutenberg.org, in found in this search.)

The following quote is drawn from the above book:
by: George Washington Sears (Nessmuk)

The hatchet and knives shown in the engraving will be found to fill the bill satisfactorily so far as cutlery may be required. Each is good and useful of its kind, the hatchet especially, being the best model I have ever found for a "double-barreled" pocket-axe. And just here let me digress for a little chat on the indispensable hatchet; for it is the most difficult piece of camp kit to obtain in perfection of which I have any knowledge. Before I was a dozen years old I came to realize that a light hatchet was a sine qua non in woodcraft, and I also found it a most difficult thing to get. I tried shingling hatchets, lathing hatchets, and the small hatchets to be found in country hardware stores, but none of them were satisfactory. I had quite a number made by blacksmiths who professed skill in making edge tools, and these were the worst of all, being like nothing on the earth or under it—murderous-looking, clumsy, and all too heavy, with no balance or proportion. I had hunted twelve years before I caught up with the pocket-axe I was looking for. It was made in Rochester, by a surgical instrument maker named Bushnell. It cost time and money to get it. I worked one rainy Saturday fashioning the pattern in wood. Spoiled a day going to Rochester, waited a day for the blade, paid $3.00 for it, and lost a day coming home. Boat fare $1.00, and expenses $2.00, besides three days lost time, with another rainy Sunday for making leather sheath and hickory handle.
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A word as to knife, or knives. These are of prime necessity, and should be of the best, both as to shape and temper. The "bowies" and "hunting knives" usually kept on sale, are thick, clumsy affairs, with a sort of ridge along the middle of the blade, murderous-looking, but of little use; rather fitted to adorn a dime novel or the belt of "Billy the Kid," than the outfit of the hunter. The one shown in the cut is thin in the blade, and handy for skinning, cutting meat, or eating with. The strong double-bladed pocket knife is the best model I have yet found, and, in connection with the sheath knife, is all sufficient for camp use. It is not necessary to take table cutlery into the woods. A good fork may be improvised from a beech or birch stick; and the half of a fresh-water mussel shell, with a split stick by way of handle, makes an excellent spoon.

There are some folks up in northern Scandinavia that seem to do a good job of outdoor survival, and they've been at it for generations.

With that in mind, permit me to offer a selection of Scandinavian knives covering the spectrum you mentioned.

(Keep in mind that there are some manufacturers that cover all your bases in a single manufacturing facility, e.g. Buck Knives, but I'm not doing the Buck fanboi thing tonight.)

I'm going to wander over to Ragnar's Forge as the primary source for this exercise. (I can't guarantee that these will all be in stock on any given day, but there are also other sources.)

We're going to see if we can find
  • a larger fixed blade knife
  • a smaller fixed blade knife
  • a decent folding knife
  • and possibly a fourth item.


Larger fixed blades
(The first three are Leuku knives, a larger Scandinavian knife having a blade anywhere from 6 to 8 inches, somewhat heavier and suited to chopping, skinning, and general camp chores.)
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(I have this set in stainless)
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(The one below is a Mora knife, and is the Mora "answer to the Leuku" knife.)
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Smaller fixed blades
(First, a bushcraft/survival knife)
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(Another survival knife design -- actually a very good general use knife, it loves the kitchen. I have several of these.)
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(And then a somewhat Americanized hunting knife. I have an older version of this one.)
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(And then a couple more hunting knives)
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Folders -- Interestingly, I actually have all of these folders:
(First, a full-sized locking folder with traditional Scandi grind, about the size of a Buck 110)
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(Then a flat ground more updated drop point folder)
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(And two slightly smaller folders; the first is a lightweight general use knife, the second is heavier and suited to field dressing.)
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** don't let the photo size fool you; these two knives are the same size.
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Now, in the "possibly a forth item" section, we can go with a multitool (I carry a Leatherman Wave) or, depending on the actual circumstances, add a hatchet to the mix.

Here, for example, is the Rosseli hatchet.
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Tired now. That's all for tonight.

 
I'm going to skip the SHTF, and focus more on outdoor/ wilderness survival techniques.

A good folder. I like my Benchmades, but a Buck 110 is a great knife. Classic.

A Kukri or Machete. Big, heavy, useful for chopping small to medium foliage (and zombie heads) :cool:

A good fixed blade, like a Ka-Bar.

Finally, a Klingon Bat'Leth :D

...Ok, so I lied...
 
All good post. One thing not mentioned is a good stone to keep your blades sharp.when choosing a particular blade and steel you need to know what you will need to keep it sharp. You might need a diamond hone, stone or ceramic. If you choose a knife with serrations you'll need a sharpener for them.
I would go for a traditional steel like O1/D2 given a medium hardness. I would rather sharpen my knife more than have it break.

Cheers,

ts
 
He he. Love the Bat'Leth suggestion.

OK, I got a list to go through. I'll buy a few more to round out my "collection". Other than steak knives, I am not a knife person, but thought it would be good to get a variety.
 
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SOG Flash II as a nice, compact, tough folder for most things.

SOG PowerLock EOD or similar multi-tool, always handy.

SOG Hunter Revolver - one end a nice 5" blade with gut hook on back, the other end a nice 5" sawtooth blade. Fixed-type configuration, very handy!

Oh, and it's SOG simply because I live 1 mile from them (in Lynnwood, WA) and can pick through the factory blemished units, plus get lifetime free sharpening and service. Makes it easy to choose them - the fact they make good knives doesn't hurt, either!
 
SAK Mini. The tiny scalpel-like blade is very handy in a variety of situations as are the other features of the mini (tweezers/scissors/toothpick/nail-file).

Medium locking folder 3" -4". Whatever floats your boat in terms of blade/handle design. Or, if you prefer, replace this item with a good multi-tool instead.

Fixed blade super-duty utility/beater/bowie with a blade length of at least 6". Something that will hold up to light chopping, digging a hole, opening cans, etc.

I would definitely go with stainless steel blades/attachments on any folders/multi-tools.
 
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Update

I've updated [post=7542805]my post above[/post] to complete the quote by George Washington Sears.

I would also note that the link to that work came from Ragnar's Forge (link in the above post) in his "Other Traditional Knives" page.

Ragnar sells a copy of the Nessmuk woodcraft knife.

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Forgot to mention that above.

 
If I could only have four knives I'd go with these -

Himalayan Imports M43
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Blackjack 125
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Chris Reeve Sebenza
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German Eye Brand large stockman
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I'm sitting here trying to figure out the purpose of the hump on the spine of the Nessmuk woodcraft knife. Any ideas?
 
You want a large stockman 3 blade pocket knife for skinning doctoring,cutting steaks,peeling apples, whittling etc.
A multi-tool for assembly / disassembly
A heavy spined fixed blade for chopping hacking and go to meeting w/someone.
 
Nessmuk

I'm sitting here trying to figure out the purpose of the hump on the spine of the Nessmuk woodcraft knife. Any ideas?

From the copy at Ragnar's Forge:
The Condor Nessmuk is patterned after the knife designed by the famed outdoorsman George Washington Sears in the late 1800's. His book "Woodcraft and Camping" is excellent. [ . . . ]

The knife itself has a blade about 3 3/4" long, 1 1/2" wide, and .113" thick. The distinctive hump facilitates opening big game without puncturing the internal organs. Again the handle is about 4 1/2" long, and is sized for average hands. The leather sheath is well made, and holds the knife securely. [ . . . ]

Beyond that description, I would defer to someone with actual experience in field dressing big game.

(There may be a more complete description in the book, but I haven't read that far yet.)

 
Kamagong,

The M43- along with the Sirupati- are among the kukuris that just feel wrong to me.

Feeling right: WWII, AK, (B)GRS, BDC, Chitlangi.

John
 
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