tired of getting guns pointed at me in gunshops

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I have noticed some gunshop employees with abhorent gun handleing skills lately. My interest in shooting has been dormant for a while but I can't recall the sort of blatant disregard for gun safety in the past. The other day I went to a gunshop and a customer and salesperson were discussing and handling a handgun and repeatedly covering me with the muzzle. I kept stepping rapidly out of the "zone" and eventually they woke up and realized I didn't like it, and made some remark about not wanting "to make me nervous".
This is not an isolated event. It has happened to me in large and small gunstores and I am wondering if other forum members have had similar experiences.
I suspect in many cases, a gunshop employee may be the first point of contact for a new shooter, and the first impression they get is it's OK to cover other folks with the muzzle if the gun is "unloaded".
 
I know what you're talking about.

I was in Wal-Mart the other day with my lovely girlfriend buying some shotgun shells and had some guy next to me looking at a new Marlin 30-30. I was a little angry that the clerk kept pointing the rifle at me. I figured the guy looking had been around guns enough to know better, but I'll be danged if he didn't pick right up where the clerk left off. :cuss: I asked them if they would please mind not pointing the gun at me or my girlfriend. The clerk just laughed and told me not to worry, because it wasn't loaded. :mad:

What happened to what we were always told, "Treat every gun like it is loaded."? :fire:
 
Until the one day someone pulls out their own

and asks How do YOU Like it???
 
Agreed.

I annoys me to no end also. I just can't get that rule out of my head and I've seen and heard of too many guns that were "unloaded" send a round downrange.

Some gun store and sporting good employees are very good about it. Some are terrible. If it is happening to me, I'll make a polite comment on the subject and/or simply get out of the area until they do.

I've gotten so used to being around real guns that it made me really paranoid a couple of weeks ago when someone's kid was doing it to everyone. Drove me nuts!
 
I just replied in a similar thread. I've found myself lucking out so far since I haven't seen negligent behavior in the gun stores I frequent, but I guess I just haven't been logging enough hours to see some shady people do shady things.
 
I had an idiot at a gun store point a weapon at me ONCE. I politely asked him to remove the muzzle from my direction and he did, then he pointed it at me AGAIN, I asked once again to remove the weapon from my direction, he complied, the third time he did it, I "LOVINGLY" :D :D placed him in a choke hold and told him that I have been shot twice and do not wish to make it a third time and if he were to point that weapon at me again I would remove his testicles, by hand. Needless to say, this caused a small ruckus in the store, the guy that owns the store banished the dumbass and the asked me to please not choke out other customers, it was bad for business. I replied that having a customer shot was VERY bad for business but thanks for the concern on his part and I would not be doing business with him again since his salesperson was to stupid to correct the other customer the FIRST time he pointed that weapon at me. :banghead:
BTW. I'm a somewhat small guy, I look like your typical yuppie, you know, tassled loafers, golf shirts etc.. and I'm very mild in temperment.
 
Qin na for gun morons? I like it! :D

Some people think that the Four Rules do not apply to them because they are in a "safety zone"--their basement, a gun shoppe, a gun show, the range, a fight, wherever.

The Four Rules light is always light. Let us endeavor to remind (cowboy, I said remind as in verbally!) our fellows in the gun culture that the Four Rules always apply and that the Four Rules are life. :)
 
unloaded gun

H41, Fort Ord, California. About February, 1969. Assistant Squad leader killed with an empty M14 with a .308 round through the chest at a range of 4 feet. The only question was whether the guy was dead from hydrostatic shock before he hit the ground.

Or how about the Clown (capitalized because he was an officer and from a different country) who did an ND in the ground in front of us with a 12 ga. 870. The USMC Sgt. in charge went over and started heaving because in his experience he had witnessed 3 prior NDs with injuries.
 
A long time ago, in a gunshop far far away...

;)

Having been on both sides of the counter, I still find myself telling folks not to do things like that. Most of the time they get it. The rest of the time, well, these days I just walk out the door. If it was someone behind the counter I do not come back.

:)
 
Gunshops, Gunshows, Ranges

I'm just sick of being swept EVERYWHERE....NOt sure what's up with that, maybe I'm just more aware lately, but i Never recall it happening much a few years ago.
 
In certain social situations sometimes one must cut off the blood flow to an idiots brain to get their attention, otherwise they might continue to perform stupid acts that might get someone (me) killed. " Gee, we are really sorry Mrs. C that your beloved hubby has his brains blown all over the store because this dumbass did not know the first thing about weapon safety, now would you mind paying this bill for cleaning the store walls" :uhoh: :uhoh:
 
this isn't something that us youngens weren't taught either, i learned to never point any gun at anyone ever, unless you plan to shoot them.

I once asked a cabelas clerk if it drove him nuts because I saw people pointing guns at him when they would look at the guns behind the counter. I fully expected the answer to be a resounding YES, however he told me you get used to it!? How in the heck could you get used to customers pointing guns at you? complete madness :confused:
 
This just happened today!

I've been looking for a good 1911, so I heard about one in the local gunshop. When I walked in there was a young guy, early twenties, looking right down the barrel of a Glock. Just standing there holding it up to the light and looking down the barrel and had his thumb on the trigger.

This thread may need to be left open for a while. Seems like everywhere I go I see someone acting dangerously around firearms.
 
I've been looking for a good 1911, so I heard about one in the local gunshop. When I walked in there was a young guy, early twenties, looking right down the barrel of a Glock. Just standing there holding it up to the light and looking down the barrel and had his thumb on the trigger.
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The only solution to that kind of stupidity is to hand him a box of ammo.
 
I've been sweeped numerous times by inexperienced gun owners. When I was doing armed security awhile back one of the other guards wanted to show me his SIG.

He pulls it out, rests his hand on the table and while directly pointing the muzzle at my head with a round in the chamber he unchambers the round.

Gee, thanks for pointing the gun at my face (even if it was from accross the table) while clearing your round.

I wanted to rip his head off, but politely lectured him on safe gun handling.
 
I worked at cabela's for 2 years. I can tell you that after the first time a customer points a gun at you and pulls the trigger , you start triple checking a gun before you hand it to a customer. you also never ever take you eyes off of the customers hands EVER.
 
I was at a Sportsmans Warehouse and asked a clerk to show me some hand guns. He handed me three without checking to see if they were loaded and covered me with all three. I immediatly checked and locked them open then handed them back and left.

Called the manager when I got home and gave him the clerks name. He said the guy was new and that it appeared they needed a better training program. He apologized and said he would take care of it. He thanked me for calling.

Went back a couple weeks later and asked the same clerk to show me a hand gun. He picked it off the rack, dropped the mag, racked and locked the slide, visually and manually checked the chamber and handed it to me with the muzzle pointing at the ceiling.

I called the manager when I got home and complimented him on the improvement.

Then a couple of months ago I stopped at a local shop to see if they still had any of the Bulgarian Maks, a friend was interrested-liked mine. There was only the clerk and one other customer in the section we were in. They were behind me and the clerk was showing the customer some Springfields, while I was kneeling in front of a case looking at what was inside.

I heard the clerk say, "it's not a good idea to point a gun at people". I could see the reflection in the glass of the case, sure enough the idiot had the SA 1911 pointed at my back.

I very calmly said, "While you may think the gun in your hands is unloaded, I know the one on my hip IS loaded, and if I feel my life is in danger I will not fail to respond".

By the time I stood up and turned around, there was a SA 1911 on a gun mat on the counter, no customer, and a clerk with a big grin on his face. He said, "I think he got the message, now what can I show you?"

DM
 
I "LOVINGLY" placed him in a choke hold and told him that I have been shot twice and do not wish to make it a third time and if he were to point that weapon at me again I would remove his testicles, by hand.
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I practice safety each and every time I handle a firearm, But come on. I think some of you guys are over reacting. When you placed your hands on this guy you yourself assaulted him and he could have defended himself....Now im not trying to start a flame war but come on...Safety is paramount and of coarse number 1. but if your this paronoid about firearms maybe you shouldnt be around them or go to places were there is a chance someone might point a gun in your general direction. :cool:
 
Oh well, it's all good
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Mods., I tried to ignore the first post, can't ignore this one.

No, It is not "all good." What Double Maduro did was a rational, calm, controlled response to a dangerous situation. He handled it in a civilized way, using an appropriate level of force, to resolve a level of danger to himself. What you claim you did was an unjustified assault on another person when what you should have done was step aside and walk away if you felt that threatened. You are lucky you didn't get hurt because, anything that the other guy did in response would have probably been justified.

Note that I am not defending the action of the other guy, he was wrong! I can understand that after being shot twice, regardless of the circumstances, you may be a bit sensitive to having a gun pointed in your direction. If that's the case I'd suggest you stay away from gunshops until you get your emotions under control.
 
larry starling,
<quote>if your this paronoid about firearms maybe you shouldnt be around them or go to places were there is a chance someone might point a empty gun in your general direction</quote> emphasis added.

All together now,

Rule #1. All guns are always loaded.

Thank you,
 
Look Im not the one paranoid about being around firearms and assaulting people! as far as rule number one I dont need to be reminded. But I understand that if I go to a gun store I might have a firearm mistakenly pointed in my direction. Am I going to freak out heck no. Im a mature adult and handle myself as such. Having taught marksmanship in the military and at a local range im very confident in my own ability to properly handle a firearm. :fire:
 
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