Tisas B9 Duty 9MM

[Barmcd]

Three years ago I bought a Tisas Duty in 45 ACP and it has proven to be a reliable and accurate gun. I decided to give the 9 MM Duty a try and it proved to be just as accurate and reliable. Side by side, you can't tell them apart and the weight difference is indistinguishable in my hand. That makes shooting the 9MM version a real pleasure. They are also excellent values -- I paid $349 for the 45 in 2020 and $379 for the 9MM this month at Buds Gun Shop. You can't beat that price for an accurate, reliable gun.

I watched a few YouTube videos where the shooters had feeding problems and mentioned using Wilson Combat mags to fix the issue. I shot 100 rounds of FMJ and didn't have any malfunctions with the factory mags. I will try some self-defense loads next time. They were difficult to load as the springs were very stiff and that last round was a bear to insert. Accuracy was phenomenal and follow-up shots were easy because there is little recoil (at least compared to 45 rounds).

I disassembled the gun and, except for the barrel, it looks identical to the 45 ACP model inside. The spring actually feels stronger than the one in the 45. I don't know much about the dynamics of 45 vs 9MM, but that seems backwards to me. This is the bare bones model without rail.

Its definitely a fun gun to shoot.

 

[Overkill870]

I have 2 Tisas 1911s; the 1911A1 and the stainless carry SS45. They are great for the money.

The A1 was great out of the box. The SS45 carry needed a new recoil spring and some minor tweaks. No complaints.

 

[armoredman]

I really have to get off my duff and try one of these - the prices are only going to go up! BTW, does the 45 version use standard 1911 magazines?

 

[CajunBass]

I really have to get off my duff and try one of these - the prices are only going to go up! BTW, does the 45 version use standard 1911 magazines?

Mine do. I don't keep a lot of magazines around, but I do have a couple of Colt 8 rounders that work well. They just have a flush baseplate, rather than the extended baseplate the factory mags have.

 

[EMC45]

They're right down the road in Knoxville and I keep meaning to go see if they have a storefront.

 

[.45Coltguy]

Two very nice pistols there. I need[want] another .45 acp; I need to look at these around here.

 

[Barmcd]

I really have to get off my duff and try one of these - the prices are only going to go up! BTW, does the 45 version use standard 1911 magazines?

Yes it does. It came with a Mec-Gar and I bought some Promags. The Promags require a pretty good bang on the bottom of the mag to insert it with 8 rounds. Only insert 7 and it slips right in. I don't know what the issue is as it looks to be identical to the Mec-Gar.

 

[Barmcd]

Initially I shot about 1000 rounds of Winchester white box FMJ through the 45 and since then have only used reloads. It doesn't seem real picky about ammo, FMJ and all the hollow points I've tried loaded well. The only bullet it wouldn't feed was these weird ones I tried out on a whim. Those sharp edges catch the taper at the end of the barrel. I've settled on a standard load of 6.4 gr. of CFE Pistol and 230 gr RN Berry's Bullet plated bullet. I get a little over 850 FPS from that combination.

I'll be trying different factory ammo in the 9MM until I see if it is picky about any ammo. I use factory ammo because I don't want my reloading technique to figure into the equation. I use 5.3 gr of CFE Pistol with 115 gr RN Berry's Plated Bullets in my other 9MM guns and get a max of 1150 FPS out of my 4" barreled Springfield XD-9.

 

[Michael Tinker Pearce]

I got a TISAS Duty 2 .45 was impressed with it. The fit and finish was a good as I would expect on a much more expensive gun and accuracy and reliability were both excellent. I was almost sad I'd bought it to base a project-gun on.

 

[SimonRL]

I have the Duty BR with the rail in 9mm and it’s one of my favorite 1911s. Paid $489 last year just to see if a 1911 that inexpensive was any good. It is.

 

[Barmcd]

Katherine and I went to the gun club this afternoon and I put another 200 rounds through the Tisas using Federal and Winchester factory Ammo and a couple hand loads. These are the first 9 shots of Winchester white box at 20 yards shooting off hand. This is a great shooting gun!

The factory ammo was flawless, but I had my first misfeed using one of my reloads. My normal load is 5.3 gr of CFE Pistol with a 115 gr bullet, which worked well in the Tisas and produced a velocity of 1175 FPS. The misfeed occurred with a new to me load of 5.2 gr of Autocomp with a 115 grain bullet which yields a slightly lower velocity of 1130 FPS. In my four inch XD-9, the velocities are closer together. I wish I'd taken a pic, but it looks like the fired case didn't extract and the next round got jammed behind it. I'm thinking I need to add a couple tenths of a grain to the Autocomp load to bring the velocity up to that of the CFE Pistol. I think I'm ready to bite the bullet, so to speak, and spring for some new self defense ammo. I'll run my current stash through the Tisas to see how it feeds.

 

[Barmcd]

This is what the malfunction looks like. I put another 100 rounds through the gun and had a couple more with the Winchester white box.

 

[trackskippy]

I have a couple of Tisas 9mm 1911's, and thats not an uncommon malfunction with them, or at least it hasn't been for me. Tuning the extractors on them (replaced one too actually) from new, has cut them back a good bit, but I still have them here and there. Thats one of the worst malfunctions to run into too, so its a good one to understand and practice.

Not saying for me that some of that isnt my reloads either, as I shoot my brass to failure, and I get all sorts of random malfunctions with all my guns, not just the Tisas. The older the lot of brass and the more the rims are tore up, the more things tend to happen. Works great for unexpected malfunction drills though.

I just seem to have a lot more of them with the Tisas's though. My old 9mm Colt Commander doesnt seem to have near as much trouble.

I have a Tisas Tank Commander in 45 as well that needed some extractor fiddling too once I started shooting it. At this point, Im beginning to think that they arent getting things just right when they tune them at the factory (if they are at all), and/or, their extractors dont hold the tune well, and need more attention.

I put a Wilson extractor in my one 9mm, and that seems to have helped a lot. So far anyway.

 

[JTQ]

Yes it does. It came with a Mec-Gar and I bought some Promags. The Promags require a pretty good bang on the bottom of the mag to insert it with 8 rounds. Only insert 7 and it slips right in. I don't know what the issue is as it looks to be identical to the Mec-Gar.

The 1911 in .45 Auto was designed around a 7 round mag. Stuffing 8 in a flush fit magazine doesn't always work. Modern 8 round mags, with a longer tube such as Chip McCormick RPM ( https://cmproducts.com/railed-power-mag-full-size-1911-8-round-45-acp-stainless-magazine.html ), Wilson Combat ETM ( https://wilsoncombat.com/magazine-1911-elite-tactical-45-acp-full-size-8-round-etm-base-pad.html ), Tripp ( https://www.trippresearchinc.com/8r...2.1408608805.1694808278-1275129419.1694808278 ) usually work better than flush fit 8 rounders.

Almost no knowledgeable 1911 user will recommend ProMags. I say "almost no" only because out of the millions of 1911 users, surely there must be one person that likes them.

 

[Barmcd]

I have a couple of Tisas 9mm 1911's, and thats not an uncommon malfunction with them, or at least it hasn't been for me. Tuning the extractors on them (replaced one too actually) from new, has cut them back a good bit, but I still have them here and there. Thats one of the worst malfunctions to run into too, so its a good one to understand and practice.

Not saying for me that some of that isnt my reloads either, as I shoot my brass to failure, and I get all sorts of random malfunctions with all my guns, not just the Tisas. The older the lot of brass and the more the rims are tore up, the more things tend to happen. Works great for unexpected malfunction drills though.

I just seem to have a lot more of them with the Tisas's though. My old 9mm Colt Commander doesnt seem to have near as much trouble.

I have a Tisas Tank Commander in 45 as well that needed some extractor fiddling too once I started shooting it. At this point, Im beginning to think that they arent getting things just right when they tune them at the factory (if they are at all), and/or, their extractors dont hold the tune well, and need more attention.

I put a Wilson extractor in my one 9mm, and that seems to have helped a lot. So far anyway.

My Tisas in 45 ACP has very few malfunctions and none of them look like this one. The most common issue is a round gets stuck cockeyed about half way into the chamber. Ninety percent of the rounds I put through it are my reloads so it's probably my fault. The ammo I've been putting through the 9MM have been predominantly new factory rounds so I think its the gun. I've filed a warranty claim so we'll see how good their warranty is.

In the mean time, I've taken the extractor out of the slide and it's not a finely machined piece by any means. I looked at the Wilson extractor and its got much sharper edges and just looks like it'd do a better job of grabbing the case rim.

 

[Barmcd]

Not a very good looking extractor after 3-400 rounds.

 

[Barmcd]

Not a very good looking extractor after 3-400 rounds.
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That shiny spot on the hook end is on both sides. I think it may be rubbing on the slide there.

 

[trackskippy]

If you look around here, there were a couple of other threads on the Tisas 1911's, and some good info on dealing with the extractor.

Cant remember who posted them up, but they shouldnt be hard to find.

 

[Barmcd]

If you look around here, there were a couple of other threads on the Tisas 1911's, and some good info on dealing with the extractor.

Cant remember who posted them up, but they shouldnt be hard to find.

Thanks!

 

[Barmcd]

Well, between threads on here and youtube videos I learned a heck of a lot about extractors and extractor adjustment. I also think the inside angle on the hook of my extractor isn't as crisp as it should be, or at least isn't as crisp as the Wilson Combat extractor. Is an extractor hardened steel?

 

[eddiememphis]

Are you having problems with the 9mm or the .45?

 

[Barmcd]

Are you having problems with the 9mm or the .45?

The 9MM, the 45 has been almost flawless.

 

[Barmcd]

I sent Tisas an email about the issue on Friday and they sent me an RMA and shipping label this morning. The gun's already on the way back to Tisas. I figure I should give them a chance to fix the problem first. I have ordered a Wilson Combat Bulletproof extractor for 38 Super/9MM and figure sooner or later I'll install it.

 

[OLDE RETIRED COASTIE]

I have both the 9mm duty, and the 45 acp duty, so far no malfunctions at all. I have tried the two mags that came with both guns and some after market mags both 9 mm and 45. The only real difference I see when taking them apart is the 9 mm uses a ramped barrel and frame, and the 45 is standard. Not sure why they went with the ramped barrel for the 9 mm, but so far works fine. In fact I replaced the 45 factory barrel with a drop in Ed Brown match barrel and bushing and works fine.
I did replace the ambi safety with a standard military style safety, on both guns. I carried a 1911 for 20 years in the US COAST GUARD, and owned about a half dozen and they all had the standard safety. I had no problem. I also changed the grips to Hogue finger groove wrap around grips, I love those grips.
The 45 has about a box and a half fired thru it, both my reloads and factory loads, with no problem. The 9 have only fired factory loads so far.
I think every one is right, when placed side by side is hard to tell which is which till you look at the hole in the barrel.

 

[MrChicken]

This is what the malfunction looks like. I put another 100 rounds through the gun and had a couple more with the Winchester white box.
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I have a Bantam Carry 9, I get that same malfunction with a particular ammo, Browning 124 fmj (it's really a trn).
I've only put 500 rounds through it so far and the only thing it has not malfunctioned with is 115gr rn. I've tried an assortment of 115, Fiochi, Rem G&W, Blazer. 147gr tends to nosedive.

It's still a little tight so I'm not considering it broken in just yet.