Sven
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As documented elsewhere on THR, I recently inherited a rare old Winchester M1 .30 Carbine.
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Today I was lucky enough to spend some time with Ed Silva of Miltech Arms, based in Northern California. Ed is a man who specializes in restoring weapons of of WWII, and has been working with them for more than 20 years.
[Note: I saw his ad in American Rifleman and realized his operation was just up the road - gave Ed a call and am glad to have met him and hope to tell everyone here on The High Road more about his operation in detail, soon...]
As a favor and credit to his goodwill, Ed detail stripped my weapon and gave me a thorough history of the carbine, cross-referencing marks with various books on the weapon and checking that it was in good condition.
Here's his analysis:
All parts are stock and the gun appears to be unfired, after sixty years of storage. The serial number 5670409 indicates that this was produced about 40% of the way through a batch of Carbines made by Winchester in 1944.
The only dings to the stock are from storage. Moreover, Ed showed me that the edge of the chamber - when examined with a magnifying glass - shows no brass wear.... all that is visible are original tooling marks. These marks are removed during armory rebuilding - this is stock.
As Ed detail stripped my new weapon and did a thorough inspection, his recommendation changed slowly from "shoot it, these guns were made to be used" to "you may not want to shoot this" to "dont shoot this" in the end, after examining all parts, headspace, etc...
The weapon is bone stock, and unfired. Ed said that it is one of the finest specimens he's seen in his career - he seemed totally sincere in saying this.
As the history of the gun's ownership is well documented and authentic, this really seems to be a diamond in the rough.
When I told him what I paid, he told me I got it for a song and I may never be so lucky. ...and here begins the dillema.
To wit, in the end, Ed recommended that I consider perhaps not shooting this weapon, as it has such collectable value.
I guess, in a way, it is living history and the ultimate in scarceness.
Is it right, I wonder, to not enjoy history?
I'm reminded of the outrage I felt when I learned in the 80s that Japanese (and other) investors were buying old Les Pauls and Stratocaster Guitars and storing them, away from anyone who could enjoy them, just as pure investments - driving the price up in the process... not enjoying the instruments for what they were designed.
Which brings me back to the carbine.
I do not plan to sell this weapon ever - it would probably only be inherited by someone in my family.... so, I wonder: why shouldn't I enjoy this gun with live ammunition, while I am alive?
Ed advised: "Well, you may not think you ever want to sell it, but you might." This is a good point but... I SOOOO want to shoot this weapon. I have new mags and fresh soft points...
My question to you all is:
Should I shoot - or preserve - this piece of history?
...maybe a few short test shots?
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Today I was lucky enough to spend some time with Ed Silva of Miltech Arms, based in Northern California. Ed is a man who specializes in restoring weapons of of WWII, and has been working with them for more than 20 years.
[Note: I saw his ad in American Rifleman and realized his operation was just up the road - gave Ed a call and am glad to have met him and hope to tell everyone here on The High Road more about his operation in detail, soon...]
As a favor and credit to his goodwill, Ed detail stripped my weapon and gave me a thorough history of the carbine, cross-referencing marks with various books on the weapon and checking that it was in good condition.
Here's his analysis:
All parts are stock and the gun appears to be unfired, after sixty years of storage. The serial number 5670409 indicates that this was produced about 40% of the way through a batch of Carbines made by Winchester in 1944.
The only dings to the stock are from storage. Moreover, Ed showed me that the edge of the chamber - when examined with a magnifying glass - shows no brass wear.... all that is visible are original tooling marks. These marks are removed during armory rebuilding - this is stock.
As Ed detail stripped my new weapon and did a thorough inspection, his recommendation changed slowly from "shoot it, these guns were made to be used" to "you may not want to shoot this" to "dont shoot this" in the end, after examining all parts, headspace, etc...
The weapon is bone stock, and unfired. Ed said that it is one of the finest specimens he's seen in his career - he seemed totally sincere in saying this.
As the history of the gun's ownership is well documented and authentic, this really seems to be a diamond in the rough.
When I told him what I paid, he told me I got it for a song and I may never be so lucky. ...and here begins the dillema.
To wit, in the end, Ed recommended that I consider perhaps not shooting this weapon, as it has such collectable value.
I guess, in a way, it is living history and the ultimate in scarceness.
Is it right, I wonder, to not enjoy history?
I'm reminded of the outrage I felt when I learned in the 80s that Japanese (and other) investors were buying old Les Pauls and Stratocaster Guitars and storing them, away from anyone who could enjoy them, just as pure investments - driving the price up in the process... not enjoying the instruments for what they were designed.
Which brings me back to the carbine.
I do not plan to sell this weapon ever - it would probably only be inherited by someone in my family.... so, I wonder: why shouldn't I enjoy this gun with live ammunition, while I am alive?
Ed advised: "Well, you may not think you ever want to sell it, but you might." This is a good point but... I SOOOO want to shoot this weapon. I have new mags and fresh soft points...
My question to you all is:
Should I shoot - or preserve - this piece of history?
...maybe a few short test shots?