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Prohibited by whom exactly? That would appear to be a regularly violated prohibition in this region.
Top Physical Condition!!!??
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Prohibited by whom exactly? That would appear to be a regularly violated prohibition in this region.
Brass Fetcher
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I'm sure we can all agree that Tae Kwon Do is a great martial art and that rules vary perhaps from region-to-region and even from facility to facility.
Lupinus is a lucky person indeed - their work incorporates physical exertion... so they are way ahead of the game... I'd like to think that the general lack of physical training in the US is due to lack of time, due to work demands... ... ...
Lupinus is a lucky person indeed - their work incorporates physical exertion... so they are way ahead of the game... I'd like to think that the general lack of physical training in the US is due to lack of time, due to work demands... ... ...
For instance, at the shoot one day we ran up to the line then shot. Many of the out of shape individuals had some less than stellar groups because they were just sucking wind too hard.
I did the same thing at our range one time... some of the regulars were busting my chops a little (they know I'm still a noob and they don't mean anything by it, just a little ballbusting) We were firing off the bench and the other guys were totally outshooting me until I suggested we sprint 100yds to the target line and back again, then immediately shoot standing offhand.
The group I shot wasn't much different from my original group, but the other guys rounds went everywhere. Kind of made them realise that in a SHTF situation where they have to run a couple of blocks and then fend off some BGs the ability to shoot accurately sitting at the bench might not count for much.
I did the same thing at our range one time... some of the regulars were busting my chops a little (they know I'm still a noob and they don't mean anything by it, just a little ballbusting) We were firing off the bench and the other guys were totally outshooting me until I suggested we sprint 100yds to the target line and back again, then immediately shoot standing offhand.
The group I shot wasn't much different from my original group, but the other guys rounds went everywhere. Kind of made them realise that in a SHTF situation where they have to run a couple of blocks and then fend off some BGs the ability to shoot accurately sitting at the bench might not count for much.
You are right we all will probably die from heart disease or cancer or an auto accident. Being in shape is the right thing to do, however I respect everyone, short or tall, fat or skinny, old or young, even an old lady in a wheelchair can pull a 5 to 10 lb trigger, in fact almost anyone can. I remember one of the Harrison Ford movies, one of the Lost Ark movies, where he is confronted by some young guy in incredible shape a martial artist with a knife, after the martial artist goes through his routine, Harrison Ford realizes this guy can kill him in a heartbeat so he pulls out his revolver and shoots him dead. Keep in shape and practice and learn, but even an old fat guy with a lucky shot can kill you.
Fulcrum of Evil
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I remember that - Ford had the runs that day, so he talked to Spielberg before the shot and they changed it up - only told the swordsman. That's why the reactions from the crowd are so real - they were expecting a sword fight.
I do not wish it on them or anyone either I BTDT. Try rheumatoid arthritis durring/after a career of FF and Inv.
The Meds to help you almost kill you. They are Chemo therapy at its best. Try prednisone for 2-3 years and keep in shape no matter who you are it will not be good.
I tried a little SHOCK therapy for the health nuts but as soon as someone GAINS weight the don't care so $%#@ Them if they cannot learn.
I find their attitude very offensive. Maybe THEY should be rebuked mentioning their handles?
telomerase
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Life is tough and then you die horribly. We know (though we may try to forget for a few minutes at a time
) Soon we should be able to knock out rheumatoid arthritis with targeted toxin-tagged antibodies. Of course the FDA will never approve such therapies here, but there's always Thailand.
But the original poster is still right. Even if you can't run any marathons, you can still improve your health to some degree; eat the inflammation-reducing fats like salmon, avoid the Twinkies, keep the weight down, etc. I think he was suggesting that some of us have closets full of guns, but spend no time on the other parts of martial skill.
Speaking of inflammation reduction, you might want to read up on resveratrol (seems to help mine a little). In any case, best of luck to you.
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Maybe not, but I plan to die trying...
Is it really that way? That certainly holds true for the end of the world stockpiling survivalist guys who can't walk to their mailbox and figure they'll become mountain men over night. Past that though in a way aren't guns to make up for the physical handicaps in self defense? The person in the wheelchair can't run away but they can draw. I've got a few pretty fit female friends and no matter how much they lift I just don't see them ever getting fit enough to be able to fight off an attacker of my size, relatively doughy physique and all. The sentiment is good I think in that people spend $1000's of dollars on guns and classes when they eat mcdonalds every day and a heart attack is far far more likely to do them in but I'm just not sure that being able to use a gun to defend yourself means you have to be in top form.
BullfrogKen
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I've tried going for 3 years with it, and the doc says no more.
Have you tried Humira, gezzer?
patentmike
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Good topic to think about. Maybe "top" physical condition is not required, but "combat accurate condition" is hard to argue with.
Risk perception is a funny thing. I've seen a heart attack waiting to happen shoot very well at IDPA between snacks, and I've ridden with hardcore cyclists who think nothing of covering 50 miles in a morning but don't carry. Go figure.
Risk perception is a funny thing. I've seen a heart attack waiting to happen shoot very well at IDPA between snacks, and I've ridden with hardcore cyclists who think nothing of covering 50 miles in a morning but don't carry. Go figure.
Here's an old tip I learned from my trainer: eating more oftern (7-8x a day) of the right foods will increase your metabolism. There are some decent articles on his site:
www.dna-fitness.com
www.dna-fitness.com
ZeSpectre
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Health related note here. I've had multiple, serious, surgeries on my abdomin. Recovery was prolonged and less than total. During that time I packed on about 40 lbs that I definitely don't need. In addition my ability to exercise is somewhat curtailed by the nature of the "repairs" and asthma.
With all of that I still got myself on a decently regulated lifestyle and started loosing some weight, but was really not making that much progress.
Then I paid a visit to a registered dietician. We did some fairly extensive restructuring of my diet mostly based around the quality more than the quantity. A slow "easing in" period to get me used to the different foods, and I'm now down 11 lbs and counting and it really doesn't even feel like I'm "on a diet".
I have my bad days (especially with my weakness for soda) but the good days are starting to outnumber the bad and I'm FINALLY seeing some progress.
I guess my point is you don't have to do it all yourself and I strongly recommend a visit to a dietician as a helpful way to begin!
With all of that I still got myself on a decently regulated lifestyle and started loosing some weight, but was really not making that much progress.
Then I paid a visit to a registered dietician. We did some fairly extensive restructuring of my diet mostly based around the quality more than the quantity. A slow "easing in" period to get me used to the different foods, and I'm now down 11 lbs and counting and it really doesn't even feel like I'm "on a diet".
I have my bad days (especially with my weakness for soda) but the good days are starting to outnumber the bad and I'm FINALLY seeing some progress.
I guess my point is you don't have to do it all yourself and I strongly recommend a visit to a dietician as a helpful way to begin!
Jamie C.
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Well, I'm certainly not gonna say that being in great shape is is a bad thing. However, I think this fellow might argue that it's not an absolute requirement to win an armed confrontation, or to "bug out" when things get too hot.
J.C.
J.C.
Don Gwinn
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Look, all this stuff about all these unavoidable diseases is good to know, but none of it is an excuse to be a fatty. There's really no excuse. When I sit down with a stack of Oreos, I know what I'm doing. Last week I lost two pounds. Why can't I do that every week? I can, but sometimes I choose not to. That's my responsibility.
I'll never reach "top condition" but I can be healthy, vigorous, strong and quick. I'm 29 years old and I do not, to my knowledge, have any congenital or chronic condition beyond some sore joints. My cholesterol is good, my blood pressure is good, I'm not diabetic, I'm not arthritic--every health problem I have is of my own making. That's silly.
I'll never reach "top condition" but I can be healthy, vigorous, strong and quick. I'm 29 years old and I do not, to my knowledge, have any congenital or chronic condition beyond some sore joints. My cholesterol is good, my blood pressure is good, I'm not diabetic, I'm not arthritic--every health problem I have is of my own making. That's silly.
SamTuckerMTNMAN
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Agree with Texas, pretty basic formula.
There are many physical conditions which inhibit ones own workouts and ability to even move, let alone train hard. Do what you can. That being said, if you are of sound body then get you to a mental place of high motivation. Scare yourself if you have to, or email me and I'll give you some good tinfoil reasons. Pushups, run, chinups, train with your weapon, GET FRIENDS WHO HELP AND DO IT WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"As Iron sharpens Iron, so one good man sharpens another." - Bible, I forgot the verse....
To be a warrior takes body, mind, and spirit! You are America's last wall, the final defense, find out standards for various elite forces of the world
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There are many physical conditions which inhibit ones own workouts and ability to even move, let alone train hard. Do what you can. That being said, if you are of sound body then get you to a mental place of high motivation. Scare yourself if you have to, or email me and I'll give you some good tinfoil reasons. Pushups, run, chinups, train with your weapon, GET FRIENDS WHO HELP AND DO IT WITH YOU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
"As Iron sharpens Iron, so one good man sharpens another." - Bible, I forgot the verse....
To be a warrior takes body, mind, and spirit! You are America's last wall, the final defense, find out standards for various elite forces of the world
AND
BEAT
THEM
st
Everyone can make whatever life style choices they wish to. But, I do see a lot of substantially overweight, unfit guys at the gun stores and at the ranges.
I suspect they have a greater risk of dying from the consequences of their physical condition than from a hostile encounter with goblins.
For those who are disabled or a dealing with a serious health condition, then firearms are a great equalizer and they have my best wishes. I've had serious back problems at times. I know something of the frustration that comes with not being able to do the activities that I enjoy.
For those of you who, for whatever reason, feel the need to make nasty remarks about those who have the ability and who choose to be be fit and lead a healthy lifestyle--do some soul search and grow up.
I suspect they have a greater risk of dying from the consequences of their physical condition than from a hostile encounter with goblins.
For those who are disabled or a dealing with a serious health condition, then firearms are a great equalizer and they have my best wishes. I've had serious back problems at times. I know something of the frustration that comes with not being able to do the activities that I enjoy.
For those of you who, for whatever reason, feel the need to make nasty remarks about those who have the ability and who choose to be be fit and lead a healthy lifestyle--do some soul search and grow up.
OK, I'll admit it: I'm a Tubby Gunny.
I'm in the process of deciding how to eat (low carb again? It works but it's limiting...) and exercise (one of those videos? Or push myself using calisthenics and work in some cardio too?) I'm 36 this month, which means this is a bit more difficult to fight than it was 10 years ago.
Any interest in me setting up a separate forum/blog where all of us Tubbies could post/share/compare/encourage? Not saying I will, just that I can.
FWIW CrossFit looks like it rocks. I don't want to die though, so I'm not gonna get close to it for a few months.
I'm in the process of deciding how to eat (low carb again? It works but it's limiting...) and exercise (one of those videos? Or push myself using calisthenics and work in some cardio too?) I'm 36 this month, which means this is a bit more difficult to fight than it was 10 years ago.
Any interest in me setting up a separate forum/blog where all of us Tubbies could post/share/compare/encourage? Not saying I will, just that I can.
FWIW CrossFit looks like it rocks. I don't want to die though, so I'm not gonna get close to it for a few months.
patentmike
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Thanks for reminding me, I meant to look that one up.
Proverbs 27:17
ny32182
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"Top phsyical condition" is pretty tough to obtain, and as far as I'm concerned, only a limited number of professional athletes have done so.
"Acceptable" to "good" physical condition are not outlandish goals though, IMO. Yes, I find it amusing when people put all this money and effort into their firearms and shooting skills with the professed intention of being safe, all the while wearing their tent-sized 5.11 pants and smoking between each stage of, say, an IDPA shoot.
Its their choice to engage in whatever lifestyle they wish of course, but if their goal was *really* to be safe, their priority would be to first address the greatest risk to their health, and for the greatly out-of-shape, the greatest threat *by far and away* is obesity related health problems. That is just the bottom line. Some people can and will meet that comment with indignance or whatnot, but its just the mathematical facts. It isn't meant as an insult to anyone, especially those with medical conditions that limit the potential to excersize.
Anyone without a major health issue can eat decently and get a simple workout in 3 times a week. It is just simple self control and making the right choices. I'm not a health nut by any means, and admit that I don't always make the perfect health choices, but at least I do acknowledge them as my free-will choices and take responsibility for the results.
"Acceptable" to "good" physical condition are not outlandish goals though, IMO. Yes, I find it amusing when people put all this money and effort into their firearms and shooting skills with the professed intention of being safe, all the while wearing their tent-sized 5.11 pants and smoking between each stage of, say, an IDPA shoot.
Its their choice to engage in whatever lifestyle they wish of course, but if their goal was *really* to be safe, their priority would be to first address the greatest risk to their health, and for the greatly out-of-shape, the greatest threat *by far and away* is obesity related health problems. That is just the bottom line. Some people can and will meet that comment with indignance or whatnot, but its just the mathematical facts. It isn't meant as an insult to anyone, especially those with medical conditions that limit the potential to excersize.
Anyone without a major health issue can eat decently and get a simple workout in 3 times a week. It is just simple self control and making the right choices. I'm not a health nut by any means, and admit that I don't always make the perfect health choices, but at least I do acknowledge them as my free-will choices and take responsibility for the results.
thexrayboy
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For those of you who are fighting the weight problem I commiserate. For you younger set that are not....just wait. At 50 years 6' and 200# I could be in better shape. I could also be in much worse shape. Fortunately my job involves a fair amount of physical activity. I never used to worry about my weight nor my BP, Cholesterol, blood sugar etc. etc. I do now. I know that worrying about it now will allow me to worry about it for many years. Awareness is the first step, denial is the big step backwards. I had a family friend I have known for years, my age die from a heart attack last month. He smoked, ate lots of red meat and fat and virtually lived at the computer. He paid the price. He knew the consequences and willingly made that choice. It's his wife and kids that are suffering for it. So even if you don't want to take care of yourself do it for someone else. And do it for me and the others in healthcare. We really really don't like seeing people in the ER dying from self inflicted diseases that are easily prevented. It wouldn't hurt my feelings at all if America got hugely healthy overnight and I had to find a new line of work. Honestly.
I don't think that we should be looking at the end points on the curve for our examples. Neither the obese guy in the XXXL tac vest nor the Rush gym instructor are the examples of most folks here.
Good cardiovascular health within the limits of your medical condition are the ideal goal. If you personally want to become more physically fit than that then you should certainly put forth the effort. Just don't poke at folks that don't have the same goals of being in the same condition as SOF troops or triatheletes as being ineffective and wasting their time with weapons training. Remember we're not trying to train up Janisaries or Spartans, just folks with good judgement on when and how to apply their skills.
Good cardiovascular health within the limits of your medical condition are the ideal goal. If you personally want to become more physically fit than that then you should certainly put forth the effort. Just don't poke at folks that don't have the same goals of being in the same condition as SOF troops or triatheletes as being ineffective and wasting their time with weapons training. Remember we're not trying to train up Janisaries or Spartans, just folks with good judgement on when and how to apply their skills.
Thanks, hso, for a balanced approach. I'm not a warrior. I'm not a spartan. I'm a 52 year old woman with arthritis who is doing the best she can. Others are far more disabled than I, and I'm not complaining, but this kind of mindset has nothing to do with carrying a gun. Many, many people cannot do martial arts, cannot run, cannot possibly train for hand to hand fighting. Sure, take care of yourself and be as healthy as you can...but that last phrase has a VERY wide latitude, and those who CAN buff up might be a bit more respectful of those for whom THEIR buffness is unattainable.
Springmom the not buff, who just does the best she can
Springmom the not buff, who just does the best she can
Joe Demko
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Define "top physical condition." Are you in the same shape as an Olympic decathelete? A winning marathon runner? Or are you just in good shape compared to the rest of the average shmoes?
For my part, I see diminishing returns when the amount of time spent in physical training exceeds a certain point. I don't enjoy three or four hour workouts for their own sake. I'm not going to compete in the Olympics. I'm not going to run in any marathons. IMO, there is no point in me training as if I were going to do those things.
Therefore, I spend an hour or so working out each day and call it good. There are health benefits from regular exercise that make it worth having it as part of your life; but I personally refuse to become obsessive about it.
For my part, I see diminishing returns when the amount of time spent in physical training exceeds a certain point. I don't enjoy three or four hour workouts for their own sake. I'm not going to compete in the Olympics. I'm not going to run in any marathons. IMO, there is no point in me training as if I were going to do those things.
Therefore, I spend an hour or so working out each day and call it good. There are health benefits from regular exercise that make it worth having it as part of your life; but I personally refuse to become obsessive about it.
I was in pretty good shape while Uncle Sam was paying me extra to jump out of airplanes with an M16, but I wasn't in "top" shape. I was training a lot, but not 14 hours a day under the guidance of a trainer with a nutritionist tracking my intake and making sure I'm taking all the right supplements as well.
Other than "I'm gonna start full-contact fighting," what's the justification for "top" physical shape, anyway? Maybe "war is coming" (which is why I trained that hard back then, though I certainly could have done more, and would have if I'd known Mogadishu was coming down, though I missed that one)? Maybe "you're going to be on national TV in your underwear."
But to me, "top" physical shape means you value that more than anything else, and mold your life around that value. Seems impossible unless you're making money based on your physical condition -- maybe models, boxers, and physical trainers fall into this category...
Other than "I'm gonna start full-contact fighting," what's the justification for "top" physical shape, anyway? Maybe "war is coming" (which is why I trained that hard back then, though I certainly could have done more, and would have if I'd known Mogadishu was coming down, though I missed that one)? Maybe "you're going to be on national TV in your underwear."
But to me, "top" physical shape means you value that more than anything else, and mold your life around that value. Seems impossible unless you're making money based on your physical condition -- maybe models, boxers, and physical trainers fall into this category...
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