Training, Tactics and Gear

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I write this thread a little frustrated. I see comments, opinions on videos and in forums of people making excuses not to train, negative comments about tactics and gear. One person went so far as to say something to the effect of "You are giving gun grabbers all the ammo they need to come get our guns" on a training video.



I understand not everyone carries a gun, carries on the job, or even has agun for SD/HD. Some people have guns because they can others for hunting othersfor sport. I'm totally cool with that. Regardless of why you have a gun andintend to use it legally you need quality training.



Safety, Mind set, Skill set/Training, Tool set in that order.



Safety: The foundation of all things firearms is SAFETY. Safety comes before any knowledge of firearms and how they work or even how to shoot them. Countless stories of people getting killed from "unloaded" firearms. I see it weekly; someone pulls out a gun to show me it, has a problem, or wants to sell it. They don't remove mags or check chambers, they're finger is on the trigger and/or they are pointing it at someone. If you can't/won't handle a firearm safely you have no business owning, carrying or shooting.



Mind set: What is the use of your firearm? Are you mentally prepared/capable of using it for your intended purpose? The majority of people I encounter want/own a gun for defense purposes. That automatically means they need to be willing to injure/kill to protect. The act of using your gun in that aspect comes somewhat (not in all cases) natural from human nature but the aftermath of a shooting does not. I can't stress mind set enough.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vPCqMo9TCg

Skillset: True confidence comes from competence and quality training is priceless. Fundamentals: Some of the best shooters in the world will tell you they got good after having a full understanding of the fundamentals. While fundamentals are absolutely necessary, alone they are not enough. You can be fundamentally sound but if you don't know how to get the gun out of the holster you will never get into the fight. On the flipside mind set and skill set get you into the fight but don't always mean you hits. Mindset and Skill set get you in the fight fundamentals get you hits. Unless you are walking around town in the compressed high ready (which I do not recommend) you need to know how to draw, you need to know how to draw under stress, you need to know how to draw if your strong hand is injured. You need to know how to reload, you need to know when to reload, and you need to know how to reload injured. You need to know that one round is not going to get the job done. You need to know that not moving will end your day quick if it goes to guns. I started competing this year. Some say competition will get you killed. I've also seen battle proven Soldiers and Army weapons instructors go to the competition shoot the worst times. I say be both competition shooters don't have the tactics Soldiers do but competition shooters can hit multiple targets faster than Soldiers. Competition shooting isn't just about winning it's training too. Get out and train don't worry about what others may think or even how bad you may do in a competition you get better with every round you will find more things out about yourself and where your training needs are. Perfect practice makes perfect.


Tool set: Safety, Mind set, and Skill set develop your tool set. I got it to do skill set you need a gun, holster, mags, ammo. But people run out and buy all the newest high priced guns that they don't even know how to clean. Save your money, buy quality and trade up if you need to. After many trials I have a BCM rifle and Glock 9mms. Why? Because they work. As you develop as a shooter your gear and guns will change, mine is ever evolving. I always see people taking internet shots at videos because they are wearing vests, battle belts, drop leg platforms, a million pouches, and stuff hanging off their guns, calling them mall ninja's. While a CCW may not need those things, some do. I get very little use out of my kit but they are still part of my gear I need for work. Work doesn't give me enough training so I use my work gear sometimes in my private training. I get the most work out of my custom kydex holster and mag pouches, Glock 19, pocket knife, cell phone and 3 spare mags. Which is my EDC but I still need to train with all the stuff that I use. If I knew the fight was going to happen I'm not going to go into it with just my EDC, I'm going full kit. Since I don't know when/if the fight will happen I need to be well rounded. Invest in good gear, train with that gear and find out what works for you and don't run your mouth at people.



If you are a recreational shooter ignore everything I have said and safely enjoy shooting tin cans with your kids and teach them firearm safety and respect. If you carry for protection or carry a gun on duty I can 100% promise you do not have enough training, you never will. Cops and military are the worst about this, I can say that I am both. People depend on you, you have no excuse not to be at your best or pretty close to it. I touch a gun everyday I shoot a minimum of 200rds a week in training plus my competitions, plus my one or 2day courses, plus if I can get out of the house to go shoot. I'm no where near my goal as a shooter but I know I can win if it goes to guns. Have fun, be safe and get out and train.
 
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+1. I've experienced the same thing with various friends both in and outside the job. Some form of BSing turns into an informal shooting competition and my buddy with the newest high speed widget on his kit/weapon ends up being one step away from utter incompetence at combat shooting. "My *insert expensive piece of kit* is so awesome, I could shoot circles around you" "Cool story bro, but uh, looks like you just ND'd about 5 minutes ago and are a no-go at life."(Seriously, true story, gotta watch that half cocking. Yeah, it was a 249) My favorite people are the ones that put a Harris bipod on their M4 and then claim to be some kind of long range death machine as they miss the 250 and 300 meter target all 4 times, with an ACOG, because of poor fundamentals. Learn to shoot correctly, apply the basics, master them, and then build from there. "The amateur practices until he gets it right, the professional practices until he cannot do it wrong."
 
" I can 100% promise you do not have enough training, you never will"

well said. count me in.

CA R
 
that put a Harris bipod on their M4 and then claim to be some kind of long range death machine

Heh, you mean chow hall kick stand and long range doughnut machine!

I certainly agree with your order. Safety is pretty basic and simple, yet so many screw it up with complacency and/or ego. Then mindset; a proper one will naturally lead to the right attitude about training and tools (for whatever the mindset is about, hunting, SD, military/LE or just fun).

I just taught an M9 PMI last month...I spent half the time on mindset, gunfighting and combat in general, then finally got to grip/stance and dry fire drills. ('covered safety too :) )

We ended up shooting the combat pistol qual on a pop up range, targets from 7-30 meters, some shooting tables involved reloads and walking. That was a bit challenging for some...of course their prior pistol experience was basically zero.
 
Heh, you mean chow hall kick stand and long range doughnut machine!

I certainly agree with your order. Safety is pretty basic and simple, yet so many screw it up with complacency and/or ego. Then mindset; a proper one will naturally lead to the right attitude about training and tools (for whatever the mindset is about, hunting, SD, military/LE or just fun).

I just taught an M9 PMI last month...I spent half the time on mindset, gunfighting and combat in general, then finally got to grip/stance and dry fire drills. ('covered safety too :) )

We ended up shooting the combat pistol qual on a pop up range, targets from 7-30 meters, some shooting tables involved reloads and walking. That was a bit challenging for some...of course their prior pistol experience was basically zero.
I have the same issues teaching IET Soldiers. I've had a BDE CSM yell at me saying "fundamentals Sergeant Fund-a-freaking-mentals" thats all they need to know" I agreed but said fundamentals are great but they aren't going to get the M9 out of the holster, chamber a round and put two shots on target in 6secs......
 
I agree with the OP, while I'm not military or a LEO I do carry every day, try to practice with my EDC at least once a week. Right now I can only afford to shoot about 50rds a week(full time student), but do a lot of dry fire. I take at least one class a year, thankfully my Dad has paid for those so far or would not have been able to take the last one. I try to get my friends to take classes with me or at least read books/ watch training DVDs. I read lots of Massad Ayoob's books, as well as Jeff Cooper's and several others books.
 
I agree with the OP, while I'm not military or a LEO I do carry every day, try to practice with my EDC at least once a week. Right now I can only afford to shoot about 50rds a week(full time student), but do a lot of dry fire. I take at least one class a year, thankfully my Dad has paid for those so far or would not have been able to take the last one. I try to get my friends to take classes with me or at least read books/ watch training DVDs. I read lots of Massad Ayoob's books, as well as Jeff Cooper's and several others books.
Good job, keep it up.
 
Thanks for your service. If you aren't out yet, when you do get to come back home, you should take your passion for sharing this type of perspective with others, and teach part-time or full-time and/or blog.

The translation of military background to civilian CCW in terms of ability to be an instructor/SME is not 1:1 but many people have done it and I'm sure with your passion you could too.
 
Thanks for your service. If you aren't out yet, when you do get to come back home, you should take your passion for sharing this type of perspective with others, and teach part-time or full-time and/or blog.

The translation of military background to civilian CCW in terms of ability to be an instructor/SME is not 1:1 but many people have done it and I'm sure with your passion you could too.
Thank you for the kind words, I'm still in, currently an instructor.
 
This is probably the most relevant post I've seen on a gun board. DeFoor is a true asset to anyone with an interest in purposeful carry.
Kyle does great things

Here is another video from Kyle about being up close and personal.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fs-TObcA6R0&feature=youtu.be

I've posted a lot about Kyle Defoor and others. I catch flak about this, that and the other. Understand I'm not saying this is THE way but it's A way. I pull from a lot of different instruction, experience, and way of life. Kyle always hits a lot of good points and says things in a basic easy to understand way.
 
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I've looked into a lot of DeFoor's stuff. I think he's one of the best resources in the training and learning community right now. So far, I haven't seen or heard anything from him that isn't real world relevant. The guy simply calls it how it is, and offers value points that often get missed.

His recent TriggerTime TV spot about working barricades was awesome in its value and simplicity. I have a late shift today, so I got to play with the empty house today after watching it, and tried out what he was talking about. Value was immediately evident.

Despite my enthusiasm for his technique points, I find his comments about mindset and philosophy to be considerably more valuable. The guy just gets it.
 
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